Tobacco Absolute - A Flavor All By Itself.

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OK, I mixed a 20% solution as described above, and it is separating big time. The separation probably is not from the lack of enough alcohol since I observed the same thing when I initially mixed the paste with alcohol. It's almost like sediments settling on the bottom. I am going to let it sit overnight to see how bad it is. Perhaps a bit of Vg with its thickness will help the particles stay in suspension.
 
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I received my order of Rustica today and need some of you better informed people to check my work before I start mixing. To make a 10% solution of Rustica, I would first mix the 2ml's that I received with 2 ml of Ethyl Alcohol (70% alcohol, 30% water.) and then add 6 ml of pg for a total of 10 ml. I would then use that as a concentrate to make my final mix. If my final mix was to contain 2% of Rustica for example, I would take 2 ml of this new concentrate and add it to 8 ml of base. Is that correct you guys? Thanks in advance and sorry for the silly question.

Mix 1ml with 4.5ml pga and 4.5ml pg for a 10% solution or in other words 1ml ta to 9ml of a 50/50 mix of pg/pga
 

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Mix 1ml with 4.5ml pga and 4.5ml pg for a 10% solution or in other words 1ml ta to 9ml of a 50/50 mix of pg/pga

Thanks guys, I will do. What is the purest form of pga I can buy. Apparently the 30% water in my alcohol too much. I will end up with approx 13.5% of water in my concentrate, and I am not sure that is a good idea.

P.S. It seems I will have to settle for 140 proof since 190 proof is not available my State. As an alternative, since my alcohol contains 30% water, I am thinking of limiting its use to only 15%. That way my final mix will not have so much water. What do you think guys?
 
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What is the purest form of pga I can buy. Apparently my alcohol has too much water in it (30%)

Everclear is 190 proof(95%). Leaves 5% H2O.

I ferment and still my own hooch @ 162p(81%) but this I learned growing up oon a Rez. and I inherited my Pa's old Brew tank and still, beautiful copper. I use the stuff for extractions of NETs and my wife's herbal essence and tincture biz. I had to quit drinking the stuff years ago, bad ulcers and Type II diabetes.
 
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Everclear is 190 proof(95%). Leaves 5% H2O.

I ferment and still my own hooch @ 162p(81%) but this I learned growing up oon a Rez. and I inherited my Pa's old Brew tank and still, beautiful copper. I use the stuff for extractions of NETs and my wife's herbal essence and tincture biz. I had to quit drinking the stuff years ago, bad ulcers and Type II diabetes.

How about sending me a few shots of that good stuff - just kidding of course.
 
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How about sending me a few shots of that good stuff - just kidding of course.

Eeeeeyeah. The damned federales control juice because of the $$$. They want to do same on our E-cig world. Follow the buck. At 75 I'm too old to go to a fed rap charm school.

Just remembered. When I was a college kid, we'd go to Ciudad Juarez every weekend we could. The booze and the medicinas a los farmacias fueron muy barrato. Anyway down there they had juice called El Puro which was "high test", iirc about 180-190. It's been 55 years since then. I would think Tiajuana would still have such.
 
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Eeeeeyeah. The damned federales control juice because of the $$$. They want to do same on our E-cig world. Follow the buck. At 75 I'm too old to go to a fed rap charm school.

Then I will have to come bail you out :) Tried a sip of 140 proof last night and it tasted better than any vodka I have ever tried.:toast:

I salute you sir as my senior and for all that you have experienced.
 
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Have you got to vape any yet?? :vapor: :vapor: :vapor:

Running behind schedule because I wasted a lot of time looking for 190 proof. Finally decided to go with what I have and used 20% of 140 proof, the rest pg. I will make something this weekend and post the results.

BTW my batch is dated 2013. Is that the same as yours? I always thought organic compounds are best if used within one year.
 
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Running behind schedule a bit because I wasted a lot of time looking for 190 proof. Finally decided to go with what I have and used 20% alcohol, the rest pg. I will make something this weekend and post the results.

BTW my batch is dated 2013. Is that the same as yours? I always thought organic compounds are best if used within one year.

I didn't think to check. I also forgot to check nic content on my batch. I'm thinking Kable reported 7% nic on his order but I don't think he posted a born date. Let's hope the date isn't too much of an issue, but I think most of us would prefer fresh if we can get it.
 

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I didn't think to check. I also forgot to check nic content on my batch. I'm thinking Kable reported 7% nic on his order but I don't think he posted a born date. Let's hope the date isn't too much of an issue, but I think most of us would prefer fresh if we can get it.

7% is like 70mg nic, isn't it? That makes your 10% solution 7 mg strong.

The date could be relevant because that might be the reason they didn't want to ship to Chopdog - telling him it wasn't up to standard. Still puzzled why they would ship to one customer but not to another.
 
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After much shaking and heating, I finally got much of the particles dissolved in my 10% solution. There are still some fine particles suspended in there but they won't dissolve any further no matter how long I "shake and bake" so to speak. These particles are so tiny, they look like fine powder. I can see them running down the side of the glass after I shake the bottle vigorously. The liquid itself is dark green tending towards black rather than brown. It's a sticky liquid that grabs on to glass and won't come off easily unless I use soap - completely different from the other variety of TA, both in terms of color, clarity and adhesiveness to glass.

I mixed up a 1.5% solution and steeped with heat at 150 degrees for more than four hours. The resulting liquid is green in color and cloudy. I took a taste this morning, and the alcohol is interfering with the flavor. I did taste the slightest hint of tobacco. Currently letting the alcohol evaporate before doing a second test.

I made a second solution by adding 1% Rustica to an already steeped solution of Hangsen's US Red. I noticed after an hour that the Rustica had risen to the top and formed a ring around the edge. Shaking helped, but only temporarily. It was a little better after 12 hours, but sill I see particles around the edge and inside the liquid. Here again I noticed a slight hint of tobacco flavor but the alcohol would have to evaporate for the true flavor to show up. I will update tomorrow.

I never had any of these issues with my other variety of tobacco absolute - no fine suspended particles, no cloudiness, and not any of the adhesiveness and/or oiliness that I am observing in Rustica ..... Is this normal guys?
 
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i ordered this and wanna know is it supposed to be green when mixed?

i mixed it with the 50/50 pga/pg and got tons of specs. will let it sit for a few days and shake occasionally and see if it comes together.

Is yours also from 2013? The date is listed inside the documentation.
 

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After much shaking and heating, I finally got much of the particles dissolved in my 10% solution. There are still some fine particles suspended in there but they won't dissolve any further no matter how long I "shake and bake" so to speak. These particles are so tiny, they look like fine powder. I can see them running down the side of the glass after I shake the bottle vigorously. The liquid itself is dark green tending towards black rather than brown. It's a sticky liquid that grabs on to glass and won't come off easily unless I use soap - completely different from the other variety of TA, both in terms of color, clarity and adhesiveness to glass.

I mixed up a 1.5% solution and steeped with heat at 150 degrees for more than four hours. The resulting liquid is green in color and cloudy. I took a taste this morning, and the alcohol is interfering with the flavor. I did taste the slightest hint of tobacco. Currently letting the alcohol evaporate before doing a second test.

I made a second solution by adding 1% Rustica to an already steeped solution of Hangsen's US Red. I noticed after an hour that the Rustica had risen to the top and formed a ring around the edge. Shaking helped, but only temporarily. It was a little better after 12 hours, but sill I see particles around the edge and inside the liquid. Here again I noticed a slight hint of tobacco flavor but the alcohol would have to evaporate for the true flavor to show up. I will update tomorrow.

I never had any of these issues with my other variety of tobacco absolute - no fine suspended particles, no cloudiness, and not any of the adhesiveness and/or oiliness that I am observing in Rustica ..... Is this normal you guys?

I got a lot of separation (fine particles) but I used vg and water. When I go to use it in a mix I just shake it until it's blended back and mix 10 ml batches that I vape in my varitas.
 

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LOL, yeah, I saw that. Reminds me of a time I was on an outing with cub scouts and the scout leader picked up a cow pie, broke it in half, pulled a blade of grass out of it and started chewing on the grass. I don't remember what the lesson was, but I'll never forget seeing someone do that.
You sure it wasn't a mushroom?...............
 
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