Tobacco Companies are Scaring Doctors

[Deeo]

My friend went to the doctors today and asked about ecigs. This doctor has done some reading on these and knows quite a bit. The only problem he has about the ecig ejuice is that tobacco companies are buying out some ecig companies and now he worries about what is going to be added to the ejuice to make it more addictive. The other concern he had was the flavoring but he did tell my friend that if she was not going to quit the cigarettes cold turkey , that he would prefer the ecig for her. Now do you think the tobacco companies that bought some ecig companies will put more addictive stuff in the nicotine?

 

[Vermiform]

They will continue to do whatever they can get away with to preserve their revenues.

 

[Steam Turbine]

Now do you think the tobacco companies that bought some ecig companies will put more addictive stuff in the nicotine?

This does not sound like a far fetch idea. That could very well be the case but I don't think that it is true for the following reason.

Big tobacco does not want us to switch to vaping... It is in their best interest (I think) to make their cigarette as addictive as possible to keep people hooked on them, making vaping more addictive would steer consumers in the wrong direction for them.

In the future, when vaping will have cannibalize a good chunk of the cigarettes market, I am sure that they will do it... But maybe not right now.

 

[Deeo]

The doctor also told her that we don't know who is extracting the nicotine from the plant and that it might be China. I didn't know what to tell my friend about that one because i have no idea myself. All in all she gave me money to pick her up an ecig and she is on her way here to pick it up. I got her a couple clearomizers and i have ejuice here for her to try out.

 

[G and C]

You're doing your friend a HUGE favor, so nice job on that!

 

[crxess]

Snip...The doctor also told her that we don't know who is extracting the nicotine from the plant and that it might be China.

And that would imply?

People are so bigoted against China they will swear everything is Bad/Junk/Dangerous............ Yet up to 90% of the items found in 100 percent of regular department stores comes from CHINA.

Even my employer with over 1 million SKUs is over 90% - welcome to reality

First real US player vesting in our end of the industry:
http://investor.universalcorp.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=783131

 

[Deeo]

And that would imply?

People are so bigoted against China they will swear everything is Bad/Junk/Dangerous............ Yet up to 90% of the items found in 100 percent of regular department stores comes from CHINA.

Even my employer with over 1 million SKUs is over 90% - welcome to reality

I told her about Hon Lik and that if it wasnt for him id still be smoking and dying.

 

[Lotuse2003]

The tobacco companies can attempt to 'poison' the e-liquid, but that would only make DIY users more popular. Vapers are more informed about their product (for the most part) than cigarette smokers. If we find one line of juice to have strange flavors or effects, the amazing word-of-mouth community here will ensure everyone knows about it. I would say that they can't monopolize the industry, but I also know how powerful those companies are.

 

[Top_Bunk]

The doctor also told her that we don't know who is extracting the nicotine from the plant and that it might be China. I didn't know what to tell my friend about that one because i have no idea myself.

It is very likely manufactured in China.

Some of the best and most advanced E-liquid manufacturers in the world are in China, but I still like to purchase nicotine from resellers that perform their own lab tests like NudeNicotine. I don't care where it's made, as long as it is tested before the final packaging.

 

[Deeo]

Thank you for this response. I will let her know that there are resellers that perform their own lab tests before final packaging. She can tell her doctor that one.

 

[edyle]

A Corporation is like a hive.
One individual mind does not control the hive, yet the hive operates as if it has a mind of it's own.

The profit motive controls the behaviour of the corporation.
Do x and profit goes up, so little bee A over here does x.
Do y and profit goes up, so little bee B over there does y.
All together A, B, C etc, do x, y, z, and even without recognising the 'how' of how the profit is made, the profit goes up.

 

[Baditude]

The Big Tobacco Companies are split on e-cigs. One group sees them as the competition, the other group has their money invested in both tobacco and e-cigs.

Bill Godshall is a e-cig & political activist for vapers. He is strongly concerned that the FDA will turn over the e-cig business to Big Tobacco: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/legislation-news/526134-action-alert-urge-congress-prevent-fda-banning-e-cigarettes-again-stop-fda-giving-e-cig-industry-big-tobacco.html

Some Big Tobacco companies have been buying out the manufacturing companies which produce liquid nicotine. I know of one e-liquid vendor who had to temporarily suspend his production until he could find another supplier, because a tobacco company had bought out his supplier and raised the prices beyond what he could reasonably afford and still make a profit himself.

If given control, Big Tobacco could limit all nicotine to be purchased in child-resistant pre-filled cartridges (like Blu), and eliminate e-liquid nicotine in bottled form as we now know it. This would put Big Tobacco in the drivers seat and eliminate all the e-liquid vendors for e-cigarettes, and totally disrupt the industry as we know it. Count on "flavors" to be eliminated, also -- only tobacco and menthol flavors will be available.

 

[LDS714]

In response to the original question, if so it will probably be done under the guise of 'preservatives' and/or 'stabilizers' and will more than likely function as such with the effect of enhancing the addictive qualities an 'unknown side effect.'

 

[Gargoyle]

Hopefully a few nicotine vendors won't sell out and preserve the integrity of their product.

 

[Deeo]

Baditude- Lets hope that doesn't happen.

 

[Vermiform]

In response to the original question, if so it will probably be done under the guise of 'preservatives' and/or 'stabilizers' and will more than likely function as such with the effect of enhancing the addictive qualities and 'unknown side effect.'

Yup. They'll figure out a way to get sugar to burn at the lower temps that the e-cigs burn at, thus creating Acetaldehyde. Monkeys, lab rats and smokers love it! It is the main reason why people have trouble switching over to vaping in the first place. You get all the nicotine you want with vaping, but you still detox off of the CH3CHO. The two chemicals alone aren't as addictive, but together they are very synergistic.

 

[Vermiform]

Hopefully a few nicotine vendors won't sell out and preserve the integrity of their product.

I'm wondering if Big Tobacco can actually accomplish that without the help of the FDA. The biggest step would be to impose import restrictions on China. Then they could scoop up the remaining US manufacturers and have the FDA "regulate" the few stragglers out of business.

 

[kiwikid]

I work at a gas station, we sell a lot of analogues each week. We also have a certain brand of ejuice- have tried it and am not impressed- as well as various cigalikes. A rep from one of the tobacco company's, the one that makes the vuse, was there yesterday to check on our progress in placing the cabinet that will hold all the vuse product. I was vaping when she arrived, and this started a very interesting "discussion". Her first question was why was I vaping, and not using one of thier cigalikes as this is a very big promotion. Well, I am not interested in them, and I enjoy my own juice and vaping. She then informed me that I really had no idea what I was doing and that it was very dangerous; but on the other hand the vuse was a very safe cigalike etc etc.
I asked her what was in the vuse, what ingredients made it a good alternative. She didnt really want to go into it, saying it was "proprietary information", but that it had an electronic memory that would remember how you inhaled etc, would'nt fire accidently etc etc. She then told me that the vuse was for adult smokers who wanted an alternative when they couldn't smoke an analogue. I asked her about nic content, pg and vg content. Her response was that only those who wanted to discredit tobacco companies want to know that sort of stuff, it wasnt relevant and the vuse is NOT about harm reduction in any way shape or form. I asked her if there were the same additives in the vuse as there were in analogues, she said it was as close to a cigarette as possible for the adult tobacco user.
My take on this is that it does contain the same additives as analogues, to keep smokers hooked as BT has no intention of looking in to harm reduction at all, the only thing they are interested in is reducing the harm on thier bottom line concerning vaping.

 

[antony73]

1. The tobacco in China is actually very good. I've seen it being grown here. Even if the nicotine is from China, you're probably getting something very pure.

2. Some one posted an interesting comment recently to the effect; If vaping came first, and then came smoking, smoking would instantly receive an outright ban. If smoking was a new product, there is no way the FDA would ever approve of it for sale.

 

[KODIAK (TM)]

Like I've said before... as soon as somebody figures out how to economically extract nicotine from other sources besides the tobacco plant, the FDA as well as the Big Tobacco conglomerates will be non-factors in all of this.