Tobacco Companies are Scaring Doctors

[CKCalmer]

Dang it! I made a mistake in my trend analysis. Actually several. I know, I know. "CK made a mistake? Yeah, so what else is new?"

I'm not going to hijack Deeo's thread here any further, though. I'm going to start a new thread once I get my new analysis written. ...and after I kick myself a few dozen times.

There is something very cynical going on in the UK. tobacco companies are selling almost useless products, aimed at the dual fuel market. Not good enough to be a 100% alternative and loaded up with 45mg nicotine to increase nicotine addiction for the dual users.

Win, win. Those that try to go 100% e-cig will have to spend £20 a day and those that go back to smoking will smoke more than ever.

I don't believe any strategy that tries to corrupt and/or pollute the e-cig industry will be particularly successful, because vaping products aren't necessities. They're luxuries. If the cost of a necessity increased significantly, we would still have to acquire it, no matter what.

But twenty years ago, for instance, if the price of cigarettes increased ten-fold, the vast majority of smokers would have simply quit, trashing Big Tobacco in a Big Way.

If they screw up vaping too much, then many of us will stop vaping altogether, and the rest will circumvent the market by making their own juices and coils and any other maintenance components required. I.e., the ongoing items we may prefer to buy nowadays, we'll arrange to not have to buy in the future if pressed hard enough.

This doesn't mean that somewhere BT won't try the "make 'em want it so much that they'll give us anything in order to get it" strategy. But I honestly don't think it'll be at all viable for them to do so, especially over time.

 

[patkin]

The current price of a disposable or BT cigalike is indicative of what the future holds. As I see it, most recently, the majority of x-smokers began vaping for economic reasons. As the prices of smokes rose so high and the economy got worse, it encouraged smokers to try ecigs. The bonus of theretofore unconsidered improved health made them stick with kicking smokes and not, necessarily, because they preferred it over smoking. BT knows its lost smokers due, initially, to prices so the ecigs they offer compare to smoking prices rather than competing with them. So, to me, the ecig industry being handed to BT by the FDA means there will be no economic incentive to quite smoking and the Feds will recapture the exact same revenues they got before loosing the smoking ones. As long as the only alternatives to smoking remain in the hands of BT or BP, it really doesn't matter to them which one creates the most sales/revenues. I tried to talk myself out of thinking this way and failed mainly because the FDA has not jumped on the thing with the highest possibility of stamping out smoking forever. There just is no logical way around that fact other than what I came up with.

 

[stevegmu]

I've never really seen vaping as a cheaper alternative to cigarettes; I always thought that's what the stuff your own/roll your own segment was for. Using cigalikes would never be less expensive then smoking for me. I tried BLU when it came out because I wanted to use it where I couldn't smoke and because it was a cool tech toy.
The FDAs job, nor scope of power isn't to eradicate smoking; but to ensure products meet certain standards...

 

[patkin]

Well maybe not you but, personally, I pitched the ecig for economic reasons to my smoking friends. When they heard what I was saving each month by vaping, not only did their eyes get larger but their ears perked up. That was the one and only thing that got them interested enough to try it. Like I said, when they experienced the health benefits, they kept it up.

 

[wv2win]

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The FDAs job, nor scope of power isn't to eradicate smoking; but to ensure products meet certain standards...

Just laughable in a sick way. The Deeming Regulations just want to ensure that vaping products meet certain standards that only Big Tobacco can afford to meet and leaving only sealed cart cig-a-likes left on the market.