Today I learned the letter F and that VAPING KILLS

[DaveP]

Playing devil's advocate here.

Ever consider how many tomatoes and potatoes you would have to consume to equate to how much nicotine you would get from vaping or smoking?

Nicotine can have "bad" effects depending upon how much you consume. It is a stimulant and vasoconstrictor, which could be considered to be unhealthy and even dangerous to use should one already have coronary heart disease, peripheral artery disease, hypertension, diabetes, or had a stroke. At extremely high doses it could be considered a poison; in fact it is to this day used as an insectacide.

Just clearing the air that nicotine is not as safe as some here are claiming. There's a risk involved if you drink water or breath air, too.

Agree, but there are people who pour alcohol down their throat daily and then point at us for vaping. Go figure.

Vasoconstriction is one reason I vape 3mg nic levels in my DIY juice. Not vaping is healthier than vaping, but vaping is far better than smoking. We all choose our own poisons. Caffeine is another health concern for those with circulation issues.

I recently had my neck arteries scanned and they were fine. The doctor termed them as "wide open". The medical term is "patent". My last CT scan showed my coronary arteries to be only mildly calcified ... normal for my age. My legs are a different story, though.

 

[Baditude]

Agree, but there are people who pour alcohol down their throat daily and then point at us for vaping. Go figure.

Vasoconstriction is one reason I vape 3mg nic levels in my DIY juice. Not vaping is healthier than vaping, but vaping is far better than smoking. We all choose our own poisons. Caffeine is another health concern for those with circulation issues.

I couldn't agree more. I figure just about everyone has their personal vise or vises. As long as you are an adult, everyone has the right to choose what they put into their body, whether it be alcohol, tobacco, nicotine, wacky tobacco, or caffeine, as long as it is not illegal in your state or country.

 

[scott58]

My Dr has no idea I vape. He thinks I quit smoking years ago. Oh look your xrays look great. Lungs completely clear. No kidding. Go figure.

 

[United States]

Maybe I missed something, but where is the letter F in this story?.....

 

[sebastianbach]

To me, telling a smoker don' t vape means; go smoke cigarettes.

 

[CryptoRick]

Ah, was my unchecked verbal reaction to the nurse when she said what she did....F*** are you serous?

 

[United States]

Good call Crypto. I probably woulda done that or similar.

Best regards. Hope all goes smoother at future visits.

Just wondered if F was for Florida....

 

[evan le'garde]

You know, i go cycling everyday, used to be for around five hours, now it's just ninety minutes. But after just one week my bike is covered in soot. It gets everywhere, the drivetrain gets a thick coating, wheels, especially the spokes, brake calipers etc. Most people think it's just dirt, grime or what not. It's soot, comes straight out of the exhaust pipe of every vehicle which passes by.

Taking this into account, should i care about a few mg's of nicotine ?.

 

[Steamix]

"
…that stuff will kill you.
"

Definitely - I got this medical condition called 'being alive'. Incurable. 100% mortality rate.

Dunno when I'm gonna croak from it, though. Could be tomorrow or a few decades later.
Certain lifestyle helps to tweak the margin some, but eventually, Mr. G.Rimreaper 's gonna get his.

Imagine living totally healthy and getting run over by a truck while doin your morning jog.

Like the blog page though. Lotsa bodies/orgs finally agreeing that vaping is considerable less harmful.
Vaping communities were he first to say 'less harmful' , we never said anything about harmless.

World is full of people who make up their mind about a thing. Period. Vaping kills. Period. Earth is flat. Period.
Nevermind the mounting evidence to the contrary.
Medcial profession isn't immune to that.

Hard enough for many people to think in the first place.
Re-thinking or re-evaluating is beyond their grasp.
Vape on

 

[MacTechVpr]

Hard enough for many people to think in the first place.
Re-thinking or re-evaluating is beyond their grasp.
Vape on

Used to be, we taught our young. Apparently that has become culturally passé. For an incredibly brief flash of time in the cosmic scale…it become fluidly possible to traverse generational boundaries with a revolutionary instrument they'll recall was an "e-cigarette". It was like magic, metaphysical…one simply understood without a quantifiable connection. Will wonders of the universe ever cease? Apparently they do.

Good luck and vape on I will.

 

[bnrkwest]

I think about all the medical advice thru my years, coffee is bad, oh wait it's good for you. Eggs are good, no wait, they're bad, now they are good. LOL I was in the medical field for a time and things change daily. When I took anatomy & physiology they didn't know what all the parts of a cell did. There are so many unknowns. We humans think we are so smart and fact is we know very little. As new research is done we learn more and it is constantly changing. So the way I see it is do all you can to stay healthy and out of the hospital and if vaping makes you healthier than smoking, vape on!

 

[Ceejay0875]

I think about all the medical advice thru my years, coffee is bad, oh wait it's good for you. Eggs are good, no wait, they're bad, now they are good. LOL I was in the medical field for a time and things change daily. When I took anatomy & physiology they didn't know what all the parts of a cell did. There are so many unknowns. We humans think we are so smart and fact is we know very little. As new research is done we learn more and it is constantly changing. So the way I see it is do all you can to stay healthy and out of the hospital and if vaping makes you healthier than smoking, vape on!

Had a doctor just a week ago tell me to switch to decaf-even tried to turn hubby against me on it. Told doctor "ain't happenin'" and hubby "f off". When it comes to tobacco use "I don't smoke", cuz I don't!

 

[United States]

I switched to de-caf on my own. But some studies show de-caf raises colesterol.
Ugh.
What can ya do?

Meh, it don't matter... my vape'r is going to explode and kill me anyway...

 

[MyMagicMist]

So based on this I can only assume you are all paid BT shills

I guess it's a 'good' thing vaping was banned in the workplace in Florida yesterday. Someone has to think for us.

<Dripping Sarcasm Ahead (If it offends you stop here)>

Damn! You found us out. You're also correct in your logic that someone needs to think for you. It is very difficult thinking for you and about eleven others there in FL from WV, I still do it though because everyone knows "orders is orders" and "you have to follow orders as a soldier". So, here is what you think, ... go back to vaping if you have stopped.

Indeed, now you will vape twice as much as you did before that doctor so abruptly tried to ween you away from our BT sponsors. We need all the extra income from them to supply ourselves with lots of arms, preferably eight for each man and now woman soldiers. It is in this manner we will become likened to Spider Man or giant human octopi.

This gives us greater advantage over the so called God fearing folks in the Middle East regions, they never stand a chance. Remember, we're bringing them freedom which is essentially free, and everyone wants to be free even if we need to fight them to give it to them. So carry on with the vaping, it is all perfectly harmless, wait, do not poke your ears with the bayonet, that causes harm.

</Dripping Sarcasm>

Apologies, seems to be one o' those days and me not had coffee yet. I have to wait for someone to think of going downstairs and making a cup. She was supposed to call it in from Australia by now. Gee, I hope her thinker in Thailand remembered to think for her this morning, if not I'll be a week without coffee. Argh! *cringes* "Noooooooooooooo!!!!"

 

[MyMagicMist]

I switched to de-caf on my own. But some studies show de-caf raises colesterol.
Ugh.
What can ya do?

Meh, it don't matter... my vape'r is going to explode and kill me anyway...

Breathe, it causes cancer too but it's fun to do.

 

[DaveP]

Maybe I missed something, but where is the letter F in this story?.....

I was wondering that myself!

 

[DaveP]

After trying 2 or 3 times to kick smoking cold turkey, with a prescription, and substituting hard candy when I wanted to smoke got me nowhere (my dentist told me to switch to sugarless mints).

Vaping fixed that problem quickly. My 2 PAD habit went to a pack every 3 or 4 days and later on in 2010 I quit completely. For me, that was a miracle.

I love vaping like I loved smoking. It's even better since I can exercise and walk without huffing and puffing. At my age that's remarkable. I just got through my 3 to 4 times a week workout at home that includes free weights, a couple of weight machines, and a 6 mile bike ride on a stationary bike at fairly hard resistance without undue physical stress or that "out of breath" symptom.

 

[stols001]

Okay, I'm going to just suggest lying to the doctor.

But, l am familiar with the VA. Don't even waste your energy just quietly and politely lie, and say that you listened to his AWESOME advice and made some very hard choices.

If you wind up tested with nicotine in your system tell him you are using the patch in fact, hell if he offers you smoking aid, take it. Then you can put a patch on at the next visit, like right before and it should help you with any "vape cravings" during your next "scheduled appointment" (I am also familiar with VA wait times, as well.)

Not as a patient mind you but as someone who has interacted with them as fellow "provider" of sorts.

VA has two types of medical .professional: The optimistic sort who have made it through the byzantine application process, and are congratulating themselves on their newfound not paid that bad employment and government benefits.

The second, unpleasant sort are the ones who have been there on day 2 or later.

Anna

 

[MyMagicMist]

Okay, I'm going to just suggest lying to the doctor.

That does sound like good advice, all of it.

Something I did was very politely play the wait 'em out game with a nurse who tried scare tactics with me over vaping. Granted she was correct in part with what she used as an argument. "Nicotine still constricts your blood vessels and it might lead you to a stroke by not letting oxygen get to your brain."

Sarcastically I thought, "gee, you don't me well do you? If you did you'd know I gave up my brain to survive the impending zombie apocalypse." Realistically though, I knew she was spot on with the argument. Regardless of that no point to force a horse to drink water & especially not by threatening & intimidating them.

I like using nicotine. It helps my body find its own balance even with the risk involved. I'm more concerned with stress in general leading me to stroke out, or maybe even pushing myself too much physically as I'm wont to do. I mean f*!k all, I've been known to spontaneously lift front ends of three ton farm tractors about four inches off the ground. I did that because my dog was being dumb, strangling himself by wrapping his lead around the front wheel. Me? I can die but be damned if my dog/s will. *smh and chuckling*

So I waited on this nurse. Then, I caught her coming back into the building after seeing her smoke a cigarette. I just grinned at her when she asked if I was still vaping. She just nodded and went on scribbling my vitals down, game set match.

 

[MyMagicMist]

even dangerous to use should one already have coronary heart disease, peripheral artery disease, hypertension, diabetes, or had a stroke.

High BP & a minor slight stroke here. Still damn it, I like my nicotine.

Clarifying a little here.

I approach this frame of mind though regarding nicotine with a little knowledge from some of @rolygate's postings about nicotine in our library here. Apologies for lacking recall of which article in particular, but somewhere in the reading it is stated vaping equipment can only allow about half the rate of absorption of nicotine at best.

Quick example I vape 18 mg per 1 ml in my juice. I would roughly get about 9 mg absorbed from using 1 ml of juice. Of course, that might now be closer to 12mg per 1 ml due to the increased efficiency of vaping gear. Although I figure it's still closer to the 9 mg and will call it rough 10.5 mg per 1 ml to split the difference. I believe it stays low as this from what I've experienced & observed. I'm not getting any real nicotine buzz.

Then, stop and consider I smoked, rubbed snuff, chawed tobacco for almost thirty five years. So the 18 mg per 1 ml of juice to me seems the same as eating some good vegetables for supper. People naturally run around 11 mg parts per million or so in their system due to vegetables, environment. What little I get from moderate vaping won't provide a buzz. I stay plateaued with roughly 20 mg parts per million or so in my system. Some of what I read also comes from other sources.

Sure I can read and trust but I can also read, look facts up and get verification from multiple sources. This is what we all might want to do given any risk assessment. Sometimes big ugly scary demons are merely ants crawling along the outside window sill. You don't know until you can see through more than one slat in the fence, or Venusian blinds. Then, it's up to you individually to decide your risk factor just as you don't let others define you in other aspects of living, you don't let others determine your values of risks or non-risks.

I'd like to think most here are adults with a little sense in their own heads. If I'm granting too much respect I apologize. I respect myself though and learned the more respect you give the more you earn back, long ago. Ergo, I hand respect out freely, also might have to do with showing folks dignity. Oh well, everyone knows I'm just the nut case. Take my views with a pinch of salt as you do with others. I sometimes forget things, misread stuff. Hope I have cleared up my position.