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generic mutant

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If you had a serious basis for your argument, you could probably drop the straw man, since I'd wager that above 99% of the vapers who think your attitude is rude, selfish and counterproductive, will quite happily vape more or less anywhere where they're allowed to - which includes many public spaces.

How many posts have you seen where someone said: "You should only vape at home, when nobody is looking"?
 

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There is a difference between vaping in "public", and vaping in a privately owned establishment. It comes down to respecting others, and conducting ourselves in a genuine courteous manner.

It is those that think they have a "right" to vape anywhere they please (because it isn't technically smoking), without some semblance of forethought to others, that will bring about strict regulations and laws...and even a general banning of e-cigs (which are beginning to take place).

Basic courtesy and respect go a long way.

Back in the day...long before my time (by about a 100 years), when people smoked, they had a "room" and attire to do it. It was largely done out of respect of others. Hence the smoking jacket, and lounge...both of which have gone by the way side long ago.
 

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If you had a serious basis for your argument, you could probably drop the straw man, since I'd wager that above 99% of the vapers who think your attitude is rude, selfish and counterproductive, will quite happily vape more or less anywhere where they're allowed to - which includes many public spaces.

How many posts have you seen where someone said: "You should only vape at home, when nobody is looking"?

I have seen vapers, in these discussions say, "this is why I only vape in my home and my car" or something along those lines. And then proceed to make points about how it is inherently disrespectful to vape in public places.

As I've seen many of these same people make their own personal exceptions of where it is okay, for them, to vape, then of course their position becomes hard to reconcile. As I am addressing this to generic mutant, I do believe I've seen a previous post from you somewhere on this forum about a place in public that you make exception and allow yourself to vape. Perhaps I'm mistaken, and feel free to correct me.

The point I feel I'm clearly addressing is the idea that vaping in public is inherently disrespectful, unless you've been given the okay. Even then, for some, it would still not be okay, because property manager may say yes, but non-vaper may not know that policy even existed until that fateful day comes about when you are vaping, and they are now, for first time seeing that occur.

I believe, though not sure about this, that most people who enter into this discussion and are on the side of "please don't vape in public" do agree that secondhand vaping poses no significant risk to all other persons, with possible exception of children. So, to be clear, I am saying that the opposition I (and others) have on this issue isn't the health concern, at least here on a vaping forum. Instead, it is the idea that vaping will be, perhaps already is, labeled a public nuisance. And then if we have the story of militant vaper who blows huge plumes of vapor while seemingly not caring about anyone around him, including kids, we (who are in this discussion) are foremost dealing with that type of vaper. I haven't seen that vaper, even in the mirror, but as others have seen it, I do believe it is possible he/she exists. IMO, that isn't a vaping issue, but a behavioral issue. I also think of all the people everywhere on the planet that do vape in public, that type of vaper is in an extreme minority. But play that card, and be on the side of "no vaping in public" and you've just played a golden card that makes it challenging to defend public vaping.

Yet, that isn't all we are dealing with in this discussion. For if it was OP's example would've been met with universal approval of, 'really, you did nothing wrong.' Instead, as usual, this discussion spun into idea that everyone who dares to vape in public, especially if they have not been explicit approval to do so, is engaging in inherently disrespectful behavior. Which is what I feel myself, and others who tend to support the idea of 'vape everywhere' have to contend with here on a vaping forum.

We are treated as the misfits of the vaping community and shamed for our choices, regardless of circumstances and situation that we present, as OP presented one where I cannot see the nuisance that is plausible in what was presented. But keep hammering away on the public nuisance message, regardless of circumstances, and I am certain that at least some minds will be changed about public vaping. Though IMO, and again the position that I understand CASAA to be coming from, this continual hammering of vaping in public as always disrespectful / selfish, is carrying the torch for those who wish all of society would shame vaping. Especially public vaping. But as the industry does exist with certain aspects that make it an easy target for those prone to shaming users and anything that could plausibly be used by kids, it is also feeding the idea that vaping itself is inherently disrespectful, regardless of where it is done.

That all this needs to spelled out on a vaping forum actually humors me, especially given context around politics of smoking. But hey, if you truly believe the anti vapers will stop right after vaping is banned from certain indoor places and that will be the extent of their fight, then I'm not sure what else there is to say.

Part of this issue, IMO, has to be us drawing the line in something that may be entirely unrealistic over the long haul, but positions the vaping community for what will be legitimate reasonable regulations down the road. If smoking is at all a roadmap of what's to come, and we are willing to draw the line with 'better to not vape in public at all,' I would say be prepared to give up more. For even a portion of the vaping community will go along with idea that flavors aren't necessary, nicotine over 12 mg isn't necessary, vaping in your car isn't necessary, vaping within 2 miles of a school isn't necessary, and vaping in your friend's house that currently allows it, is not necessary.
 

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Because I enjoy vaping.

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Well I'm sure Glad that you Enjoy Vaping. And it isn't that you Can't go 30 or 40 Minutes without taking a Hit in a Grocery Store.

BTW - I Can't Think of Anything More Damaging to people who Advocate the Fair Use of e-Cigarettes than some ANTZ posting Vids to YouTube of people Vaping in Grocery Stores.

Why is that that the Few Always Screw It Up for the Many?

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You've got to be joking, vaping in a supermarket. If i'd been there i'd have put on my fake cough as well, just to see you get busted. Can't shag the misses in there either mate, does that bother you as well. "I was in the supermarket minding my own business with my wife bent over the fruit & veg, when someone objected"!! How very dare they... :D
 

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I will also add that I do see the other side of this discussion and do remember what it was like in my adult life to be a non-smoker, non nicotine user. I found that enjoyable as well.

I believe I understand the other side very well, and do think there are at least 4 sides to this. The pro-vaping (everywhere) side, the anti-vaping in public side, the anti-vaping anywhere side, and the non-vaper side that is rather neutral on all counts.

I can play the part of anti-vaping anywhere side and feel that any pro-vaper can name a place, any place, and I can construct an argument that I believe would sway some non-vapers into how they view vaping in general. Feel free to start with own property. On the anti-vaping anywhere side, I do believe I can tackle that and present a rational, albeit not exactly reasonable, argument whereby it is disrespectful and/or selfish to vape in own premises.

I don't need to do this, just wanting to make the point as clear as possible that I believe I get what the opposition is up to and that it doesn't need to be spun as irrational. Though I do see it as unreasonable or hard to defend unless certain deceptions are allowed.
 

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You've got to be joking, vaping in a supermarket. If i'd been there i'd have put on my fake cough as well, just to see you get busted.

You wouldn't have seen me. And if you would've been in that exact location 10 seconds after I vaped, you wouldn't have noticed.

But thanks for exposing your true colors.
 

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You wouldn't have seen me. And if you would've been in that exact location 10 seconds after I vaped, you wouldn't have noticed.

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The Same can be said for Shoplifting, but that Doesn't make it Right.

Why don't you try something the next time you are in a Grocery Store. And that is to think for a second about, "Is there Possibility that I am Pissing Off a Bunch of People with my Actions? And casting a bad light on All vapers just to do something I enjoy and do Not Need to do?"
 

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Final word from me today on this thread.

Even while we may disagree, and even while we may engage in name calling that raises eye brows and feels like we perhaps have been offended, I take all this with a grain of salt. Just words on a forum and ideas that we may never be in full agreement on. Try as we might.

There are much bigger fish to fry. I enjoy this discussion and will likely return on another day. Until then...

Happy Holidays to all of you.
 

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But thanks for exposing your true colors.

Yeah, you too. How nice it is to know that you understand every angle of the argument better than anyone, and are capable of winning either side, you sir, must have been the hero of your debating society.

It's truly humbling to be in the presence of such an intellect and so rare to find it in someone so modest.
 

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Yeah, you too. How nice it is to know that you understand every angle of the argument better than anyone, and are capable of winning either side, you sir, must have been the hero of your debating society.

It's truly humbling to be in the presence of such an intellect and so rare to find it in someone so modest.

oooo well done
 

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Yeah, you too. How nice it is to know that you understand every angle of the argument better than anyone, and are capable of winning either side, you sir, must have been the hero of your debating society.

It's truly humbling to be in the presence of such an intellect and so rare to find it in someone so modest.

It's kinda Ironic that you posted that GBX4. What with your Post Count and all.

Because I posted this Earlier Today...

Absolutely there are.

There are Many Helpful Members who are Constantly giving Advise or their own Perspective. Sometimes also the Most Helpful post in a Thread comes from some Newbie with 17 Posts.

It's the Sum Total of All the Members here that makes the ECF a Great Place.

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As stated earlier, I have been given the okay to vape in grocery store that I now frequent. To say it is never going to be allowed is not accurate in my experience.

Like in the store that said okay, I dealt with low level floor person that said, 'sure why not?' I would call that another form of ignorance that worked in my favor.

Jman8 ... so the stock boy said you could vape? :glare:

Trust me on this ... there is not a Grocery Store Manager anywhere, that is going to permit vaping in a store he/she manages.

I will say it again ... vaping in grocery stores is never going to be an accepted public place for vaping :2cool:

Cheers and Merry Christmas :party:
 
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I advocate for vape everywhere. Once again, I've come across a thread on ECF that hasn't made me budge from that political stance.

Yet, part of 'vape everywhere' has to include what OP went thru, chose to vape in spot and got caught by clerk who thinks it is against store policy, so chose to not fight it and put it away.

Didn't get kicked out, wasn't asked to leave the premises, just told not to do that in here.

I think you (OP) handled it well. If it were me, and I cared to go back to that same place in the future, I'd make an appointment with highest manager in organization and be prepared to discuss eCigs as thoroughly as that person will allow. If they still wouldn't budge, and I found their responses based on ignorance (which I currently deem likely), I'd look for another place that offers same products/services. I'd probably also mention this to the manager near end of the discussion, but that's just me.

One other thing... if I did go back to that store, I'd have about a 25% chance of vaping, openly but in way that is fairly well aware of my surroundings. Pass all the laws you want, I'm still going to vape in public. I'm yet to be caught so my luck so far has made me this way. Well that and loads of evidence currently on side of vaping community.

Advocate for "Vape Everywhere"?

What the heak is that? I googled it and found a facebook page with a bunch of pictures of devices and kids vaping.

Or maybe it's some secret underground organization or something.

Dude... no one is even listening to your very long winded pointless posts any more.
 

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Jman8 ... so the stock boy said you could vape? :glare:

Trust me on this ... there is not a Grocery Store Manager anywhere, that is going to permit vaping in a store he/she manages.

I will say it again ... vaping in grocery stores is never going to be an accepted public place for vaping :2cool:

Of Corse there Isn't.

But you kinda Paint Yourself into a corner if you say that you should use Respect while Vaping and that you Vape in Grocery Stores in the Same Paragraph if you Don't.

;)
 

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I agree, I think it's TERRIBLY rude to vape inside a public space like that. A bar is one thing I suppose, but a grocery store? Go outside next time, you're giving us all a bad name.

Ditto that. If you can't go 20 minutes in a store without taking a hit, it's time to reassess your problem.

Right or wrong, the woman was concerned about how what you were doing would affect her and others. It's totally unreasonable for you to assume that everyone in the world is fully briefed on the safety of vaping. Hell, even most of us here who have researched it can't categorically say it's safe (and those who do are kidding themselves). The woman was erring on the side of caution. Boo hoo that you have to wait another 5 minutes to get your hit. That's garbage.
 
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