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Bruce C

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But if u look up e-cigs on google they're puttin' e-cigs/devices in the nasty cig. category about being harmful/cancer/lung diseases etc. ...I Never looked/or been courious about what is being said about them until i joined this forum group/ecf ... It's totally false in my opinion cause me havin' quit almost 2yrs. nasty cigs. ...I feel lots better have more energy sleep a little better I walk or try to a mile or so a day depending on if I have a disease flare-up then I'm no use to me or anyone I'm just miserable, but I'm doing better also w/my disease GP ...I think it's nasty cig makers they're jealous cause e-cig makers/vape shop/suppliers etc. are making money that they should of gotten from ppl quitting the nasty cigs. ...Am I wrong peeps ??

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Lots of people fall into the category where, "If it looks like a duck ...". Vaping does look exactly like smoking until they realize it doesn't smell like a cigarette. Still, they repeat what they have heard about vaping.

The most effective statement about something new is, "Well, it's too new and we haven't had enough time to do the testing". That's still a lame statement. There's been fairly extensive testing right down to the spectrographic level and the chief danger is said to be Acrolein and Formaldehyde production if you hit temperatures in the 550F plus range.

Most of us would gag at those temps, even with juice saturating the wick.

It's also important to note that the danger at that temperature is for kanthal and maybe nickel or nichrome coils. The stainless steel coils are much safer.

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You know, my experience has been fair, except when the manager of my former place of employment launched a zero tolerance policy toward vaping, shrieking "that stuff is more carcinogenic than cigarettes!". I work at home now. Otherwise, when I vape in public, which is rare and with stealth, people show mild curiosity and ask if it helped me stop smoking. I'm happy to give my success story. I vape unflavored in public, to avoid offending with aromas, and often a worker or another customer will want to share notes about vaping. When I go in for car servicing, the service manager at the dealership is vaping at her desk. She calls her pen a "peace pipe".

When I do feel compelled to answer questions about the safety of vaping, I wish I weren't up against the nonstop media bombardment with "children are dying!!!" kinds of stories.

I feel the important buoy to hold on to in the storm is the fact that PG is used in inhalers for asthma and other lung diseases, and VG has internal medical applications such as ear drops and suppositories. Nobody is crying cancer from that. If I'm getting further into it with someone who is really interested, I'll offer to provide web links to studies about the promise of pharmaceutical grade nicotine in cognitive diseases of old age, and nicotine's application in irritable bowel disease.

I use unflavored in public because I cannot really reassure anybody that eliquid flavorings are safe, though I know from my own experience that my chronic bronchitis went away when I traded cigarettes for vaping, and I have never been sick again, not even with a cold, after nearly seven years vaping.

I had the same experience. I was constantly sick. Five years ago a friend bought me my first vape. I make a point to publicly thank him for saving my life every single time I meet him.

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I tell them 480,000 people died last year from smoking related illness.
0 people died from vaping...
To be truthful, 2 people have died from vaping in the last year when their mech mod exploded sending shrapnel into their skull and neck.

But don't tell people that...
 
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It's also important to note that the danger at that temperature is for kanthal and maybe nickel or nichrome coils.
At 550F? I'm sorry, but I don't see the danger. Kanthal and Nichrome are used in toasters and electric heaters where they are glowing red hot. Besides, if your coil actually makes it to 550F, the vape will taste burnt. The onset of burnt taste happens just above 500F.
 

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To be truthful, 2 people have died from vaping in the last year when their mech mod exploded sending shrapnel into their skull and neck.

But don't tell people that...

I won't mention it.

I agree, this is ridiculous -- at least when compared to smoking.

After we bought our home we had to immediately put a new central air system in because the old one was shot. We scheduled our yearly preventive service call a year later. While the technician was cleaning the system he said "it's odd because I don't smell cigarette odor in your home". I told him it's not that odd, because I don't smoke. He said the blower was covered in a sticky film just like he sees in smoker's homes.

I'm okay with it though.
 

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I won't mention it.




After we bought our home we had to immediately put a new central air system in because the old one was shot. We scheduled our yearly preventive service call a year later. While the technician was cleaning the system he said "it's odd because I don't smell cigarette odor in your home". I told him it's not that odd, because I don't smoke. He said the blower was covered in a sticky film just like he sees in smoker's homes.

I'm okay with it though.

Yup, don't vape directly onto laptop and desktop computers. The fans suck in everything, I take care with it now after having to strip down my overheating computers and clean the fans and airways, covered in a thick sticky mix of liquid and dust. It was just dust before I vaped, smoking was always outside.
 

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It's also important to note that the danger at that temperature is for kanthal and maybe nickel or nichrome coils. The stainless steel coils are much safer.

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Sure, if you run a coil for too long at high temps it will begin to break down, but most of us change coil wire before it begins to deteriorate and send metal flakes into the vape. Yes, SS is said to be safer. I haven't used Kanthal or Nichrome in years since starting to vape SS316L wire.

Heat is necessary to produce vapor, but none of us intentionally vape at 500F+, it would be pretty hot and nasty. It's juice that is morphing at high temps to produce Acrolein.

Diacetyl is a buttery flavor that can be found in some flavored e-juices. Too much can create problems over time. I steer away from juices that contain Diacetyl. Over time I've settled on unflavored juice for most of my vaping.

Diacetyl Vape and Its Effects on Your Body. No More Confusion!

From a post by rolygate (forum manager)
Glycerine vapor and acrolein - the issues
 
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I’ll politely ask if they want the information I’m aware of when it comes to vaping, that’s often met with me being waved off! That’s fine, I get it. I kinda get a little in the weeds with my explanations and people just glaze over, but, I know what I’m doing, I like to think I know the science behind it. It’s a strange place to be in, you either want to understand it or you don’t, pretty simple
 

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I’ll politely ask if they want the information I’m aware of when it comes to vaping, that’s often met with me being waved off! That’s fine, I get it. I kinda get a little in the weeds with my explanations and people just glaze over, but, I know what I’m doing, I like to think I know the science behind it. It’s a strange place to be in, you either want to understand it or you don’t, pretty simple

People sometimes ask me when I'm going to quit vaping. I tell them that I didn't really want to quit smoking, but smoking was destined to cause serious health issues. Vaping is much safer and it does satisfy the desire to smoke, but without nearly the health concerns. They ask about all those news articles that point out dangerous chemicals in the vapor. We all know that most of the concerns are over high temps creating Acrolein and buttery flavors with Diacetyl. If you stay away from iffy flavors and keep the temps in a reasonable range vaping isn't something to worry about, especially compared to smoking, IMO.
 
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... I tell them that I didn't really want to quit smoking, but smoking was destined to cause serious health issues. ...
What if a big majority is vaping, and you cut smoking down to around 5 cigarettes per day ~ is that still destined to cause serious health issues?
 
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Is that a real site or did you whomp it up for fun? If it's a joke, bravo for highlighting pissy concerns in the first world. If it's someone's real site, I want to roll on the floor groaning.

Vaping is killing children, and now it's making homes uninhabitable.

My apartment was painted three years ago after I'd been vaping in it for four years. Contractors don't clean the walls first, and they didn't use primer in this instance. You'd think all that oily vapey residue would have made the paint roll right off the walls, but the paint still looks great three years on.

I don't make fried foods because you do end up with a greasy stove, greasy wall, counter and floor. Just saying, so people can compare.

Do all of those room fresheners, of which you can buy at least 12 flavors in any store, settle all over everything and make life dangerous?

I've seen people spray the kitchen with Raid and then start dinner. I made excuses not to stay for dinner.

When people use hairspray, does it land all over the bathroom and make your .... stick to the toilet seat?

It seems to me that if you dust and vacuum once a week, change your sheets now and then, and clean your blinds and curtains a couple of times a year, you'll have a clean home. Nobody will come in, point to rivulets of pg/vg running down the walls, and run away screaming.

A computer kept clean is expected to last longer, I think, so I keep mine clean.

Anybody know what's in that furniture spray, like Pledge or whatnot?

Anybody have gas heating? I've had it in other apartments. Now that, THAT, ruins your walls, paintings and posters with thick, ugly dark residue.

I guess that's enough of a rant. Gotta go now. I need to get some new-car scent to spray in the car.
 
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Oh fellow vapors. All this negative about vaping. I've been vaping for 8 years with no health problems whatsoever. Now they say vaping causes seizures, except my wife who's been vaping for 7 years and has a seizure disorder.......no seizures in years though. It was only a matter of time before they turned something positive into something that's bad for yea. Still without any research to really back anything up. I used to be a pack and a half smoker. Vape on!
 
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Bliss Doubt

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I won't mention it.




After we bought our home we had to immediately put a new central air system in because the old one was shot. We scheduled our yearly preventive service call a year later. While the technician was cleaning the system he said "it's odd because I don't smell cigarette odor in your home". I told him it's not that odd, because I don't smoke. He said the blower was covered in a sticky film just like he sees in smoker's homes.

I'm okay with it though.
You know, I don't get that. I'm wondering if it's a flavoring causing that. Vaporized PG and VG don't polymerize. My landlady's AC service guy loves to give ridiculous opinions, like telling me to change my 90 day filters every two weeks (I already change them every 60 days). He has never mentioned anything like that. I'm wondering if the same flavors that gunk your coils will gunk up your a/c system, or if you can use certain coils that burn things, or if it's something you're cooking in the kitchen, or something else. I'm not saying that what you experienced isn't true. I'm just wondering what it really specifically is.
 
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