Tootle Puffers, Part Three! (The Sequel of the Redux)

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Several ways to convert a DC voltage to a different level. Different chips. PWM, simply put, controls the "on" time of full voltage, so you get an average. E.g. if 4 volts is "on" half the time, you average 2. mods would also need a circuit to increase the voltage, or they'd not be able to ever provide a higher than current battery voltage. So what you get it rapid pulses of full voltage. If fast enough (Provari) the user doesn't notice.

DC-DC converters use different chips to actually deliver a continuous voltage, as user specified. So on an oscilloscope it would be a straight line at the set voltage, where PWM would not.
Please…what does PWM stand for?

Just got my pipe in today. I was so excited about it that I drove home for lunch to grab it and play with it. Now that I'm home I'm playing with it in TC. All I can say is...


Congrats!!! Pics please!

Well, I think I'm done with my TC tinkering for the time being and esthetics be darned I threw my KF v5 mini on my Jac. It's scepter-like but I'm choosing not to care. It's vaping fantastic.
And that's all that matters!
 

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Congrats!!! Pics please!

It fits my style of mod. Simple, utilitarian, black. I just did post a pic of it in the Front Porch thread. Here's the same pic, with an Arctic V8 on there for TC:

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Finally - why can't we see battery advancements in sizes other than 18650? Why are 18500 batteries still around 1000mah when they should be more like 2000 at this point based on size. And why don't we have proper 1200-1500mah 18350? Instead now we're seeing people move to 20700 and 26650 which offer about the same mah but have a higher amp draw potential. Stupid direct lung is driving the market.

If you're making 3 kinds of widgets, but only one kind sells with any regularity, you don't dump R&D $ into the couple that don't...

Haw many 18500 or 18350 mods are there compared to 18650?

And I don't think direct lung is deiving the market, but the MTL has been covered... even with all the happy campers out there with their Protanks and Nautiluses, there is still some development going on. The higher powered units aren't just for cloud chuckers and mod wompers... just because the speedometer in my car goes to 120, doesn't mean I can't deive it at 15...

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    ...and this is what it looks like with my NaughtyX on there, lol. Pretty much exactly the same but this tank is slightly shorter. My three tanks are all 22 mm in diameter and the pipe is as well:

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    Hmmm, hadnit even thought about putting the Nauti X on mine. Good thinking.
     

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    If you're making 3 kinds of widgets, but only one kind sells with any regularity, you don't dump R&D $ into the couple that don't...

    Haw many 18500 or 18350 mods are there compared to 18650?

    And I don't think direct lung is deiving the market, but the MTL has been covered... even with all the happy campers out there with their Protanks and Nautiluses, there is still some development going on. The higher powered units aren't just for cloud chuckers and mod wompers... just because the speedometer in my car goes to 120, doesn't mean I can't deive it at 15...

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    The point is if mtl was the driving force we'd see smaller high capacity batteries. Not a push for more capacity in larger cells. We'd be getting cigalike sizes that were more than 150mah. Or a juul with all day battery life.
     

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    The point is if mtl was the driving force we'd see smaller high capacity batteries. Not a push for more capacity in larger cells. We'd be getting cigalike sizes that were more than 150mah. Or a juul with all day battery life.
    I think THAT is a out of the question... an all day cigalike? That chemistry don't exist.

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    That would explain the Billet Box then. Are the other examples, for my brain?

    Er, no? o_O

    (Although I'd bet there's a thread somewhere on here that has a spreadsheet of which side which mod falls in... ;)

    Please…what does PWM stand for?

    Wait! What? Not Pancakes With Mangoes? Gorramit!

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    Nope, sorry. Puf beat me to it.

    PWM.

    When you turn on a switch it takes a finite amount of time for the voltage to rise to its peak. If AC, like in most our homes, it then goes down, below an arbitrary neutral point, and goes an equal distance "down", before coming back up to repeat the cycle. Ergo, Alternating Current.

    DC just rises to its peak and stays there, no cycling about. Lets pretend it's too high for comfort.

    A simple, inelegant, inefficient brute force way to reduce it is to stand there flipping the switch. The faster you flip the switch, the less time it's actually on. The effective voltage is related to the On time :)
     

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    Given one can get 3 days out of a hg2 at low wattage settings. My point is we could be MUCH CLOSER if people cared about size more than having power at any size for 100 watt tanks.

    I'm not far off from all day or cigalike size with a 2 ohm build in a piccoloid. My point is if people cared about device size and nicotine delivery not clouds they'd be much closer to realizing these sorts of things.

    The fact the stick batteries for pod systems are 150-350 mah is pathetic. The only people who have really done anything with size are using lipo in custom configs.

    The problem Is the market is driven by lung hitters. They need more power with more amp draw. So bigger batteries and multiple Battery mods are the answer. If people weren't buying unless things were small and pocketable they'd work that out much better.
     

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    The original eneloops in aaa and aa size before advancement (which have increased capacity by ~30% afaik) were 800 mah and 2000 mah. If they can do that with an eneloops they can do it with unprotected cell for vaping. But they haven't. The demand isn't there so nobody bothers.
     

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    Given one can get 3 days out of a hg2 at low wattage settings. My point is we could be MUCH CLOSER if people cared about size more than having power at any size for 100 watt tanks.

    I'm not far off from all day or cigalike size with a 2 ohm build in a piccoloid. My point is if people cared about device size and nicotine delivery not clouds they'd be much closer to realizing these sorts of things.

    The fact the stick batteries for pod systems are 159-350 mah is pathetic. The only people who have really don't anything with size are using lipo in custom configs.

    The problem
    Is the market is driven by lung hitters. They need more power with more amp draw. So bigger batteries and multiple
    Battery mods are the answer. If people weren't buying unless things were small and pocketable they'd work that out much better.
    We shall agree, then, to disagree. Where a dual (or quad, or quint) mod can satisfy a tootler, but a micromod will not satisfy a cloud chaser. By designing a multi-cell, high-powered mod, both side benefit. By building an itsy-bitsy, only MTL benefits.

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    Given one can get 3 days out of a hg2 at low wattage settings. My point is we could be MUCH CLOSER if people cared about size more than having power at any size for 100 watt tanks.

    I'm not far off from all day or cigalike size with a 2 ohm build in a piccoloid. My point is if people cared about device size and nicotine delivery not clouds they'd be much closer to realizing these sorts of things.

    The fact the stick batteries for pod systems are 150-350 mah is pathetic. The only people who have really done anything with size are using lipo in custom configs.

    The problem Is the market is driven by lung hitters. They need more power with more amp draw. So bigger batteries and multiple Battery mods are the answer. If people weren't buying unless things were small and pocketable they'd work that out much better.

    I have run into bunches of people that tell me that they tried vaping to quit smoking and it didn't work for them. Almost every single person was using the wrong device. Either a cheap piece of crapola that didn't have enough power to do anything with, or a cloud machine that felt nothing like smoking a cigarette. Because that is what is getting the hype.
     

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    We shall agree, then, to disagree. Where a dual (or quad, or quint) mod can satisfy a tootler, but a micromod will not satisfy a cloud chaser. By designing a multi-cell, high-powered mod, both side benefit. By building an itsy-bitsy, only MTL benefits.

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    Im just surprised we haven't seen any in ovation trickle down.

    The biggest complaint I have with vaping today is this stand still. I want a device the size of a pen or smaller that lasts all day. Or even half a day. The only thing I've really seen that comes close is he piccoloid and the Gus mod. They're both very expensive and mech.

    I'm guessing with salts we can achieve a nicotine delivery system that's satisfying in the size of a cigarette. Or close to. If someone chose to do it.
     

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    We shall agree, then, to disagree. Where a dual (or quad, or quint) mod can satisfy a tootler, but a micromod will not satisfy a cloud chaser. By designing a multi-cell, high-powered mod, both side benefit. By building an itsy-bitsy, only MTL benefits.

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    Yup. As long as I can still get MTL tanks to slap on top I'll buy the Super Quad-Quint Tetrapentax Duodecahedron Mod if that's all that's sitting on the shelves in ten years.
     

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    I have run into bunches of people that tell me that they tried vaping to quit smoking and it didn't work for them. Almost every single person was using the wrong device. Either a cheap piece of crapola that didn't have enough power to do anything with, or a cloud machine that felt nothing like smoking a cigarette. Because that is what is getting the hype.

    Well that's a rehash of my last rant. :). I'm
    Sick of seeing cloud bro setups pushed to smokers who want to quit. I don't feel it's a good solution or encouraging to sell them a smok Alien kit and 3mg juice.

    I think a lot of vapor's forget how little smoke actually comes out of a cigarette inhale. It's not much. Smokers need throat hit and nicotine delivery.

    For smokers quitting we need to steer them to simple to use systems that aren't messy and don't require much more than charging. Preferably allowing them to carry no more than two devices in the pocket that can't be fired by accident

    To that end the cync and juul are probably the best ways to give someone with no interest in vaping a way to stop smoking.

    I'd really like to try the juul. I just won't put $50 into it. It's too expensive to get started for me and for many others.

    The cync gets a super bad rap
    For no good reason. It's a great pod system with far more selection and options and it's under half the price of a juul. Even the cync probably outputs twice as much vapor as a smoker exhales from a cigarette.

    This push to high vg low mg juice is damaging to smokers who want to quit when the employees and forums are filled with ignorant people who think hats the only way to vape and or
    Discount how difficult
    It is to stop
    Smoking.

    The 45 mg pods are the perfect answer for quitters imo. If you want to get slightly more advanced Icare go and 45 mg juice

    But how available is that stuff. Not very. It's even getting difficult to buy juice over 6mg and under 80% vg.
     

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