Uh, do you vape it mtl? If so, yep 
Tootle Puffers, Part Three! (The Sequel of the Redux)
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Uh, do you vape it mtl? If so, yep
Lol, yup.
Yep, which was kind of my original point. It doesn't fit the normal definition of Tootle Puffing, but it's still MTL. In fact even high tight the draw is doesn't matter. All that matters is how you inhale. Mouth to lung and direct lung refer only to the inhalation method.
Granted tight airflow lends itself better to MTL and open airflow lends itself better to DL.
The only issue I'm finding is that this high VG / low nic liquid I'm using isn't giving me a good throat hit. That's easily resolved though.
No sorry needed, as stated this MY definition of what I prefer for MTL vaping... I've heard people call a sub-ohm kit with a .5 coil a MTL tank because they can close off the AFC. That's why I prefer to explain my definition.
98% keeps us in the same playing field IMO
No sorry needed, as stated this MY definition of what I prefer for MTL vaping... I've heard people call a sub-ohm kit with a .5 coil a MTL tank because they can close off the AFC. That's why I prefer to explain my definition.
98% keeps us in the same playing field IMO
I hope you realize that I am now determined to acquire a 0.50 wire for my RDTA and MTL with it.
Originally MTL and DL were used not ONLY for describing how one drew vapor into their lungs, but ALSO as a loose definition of the devices that lent themselves to one style or the other.
Tight draw, above ohm vaping lent itself to MTL style of vaping more.
Open air, sub-ohm vaping lent itself more to a DL style of vaping.
They are words that are used not only for the style of draw but have traditionally had more meaning than JUST how one drew vapor into the lungs, though technically that is of course true.
Without definitions its hard to communicate effectively about the attributes of a device. I would never want to say that Velocity RDA is a great MTL device nor would I want to say that a Spheroid V3 is a great DL device.
That's why I choose to define MTL as I did... we can use a different word(s) if we want as long as we are all speaking about the same thing and MTL and DL have taken on more meaning that simply how one draws in their vapor.
Tight draw, above ohm vaping lent itself to MTL style of vaping more.
Open air, sub-ohm vaping lent itself more to a DL style of vaping.
They are words that are used not only for the style of draw but have traditionally had more meaning than JUST how one drew vapor into the lungs, though technically that is of course true.
Without definitions its hard to communicate effectively about the attributes of a device. I would never want to say that Velocity RDA is a great MTL device nor would I want to say that a Spheroid V3 is a great DL device.
That's why I choose to define MTL as I did... we can use a different word(s) if we want as long as we are all speaking about the same thing and MTL and DL have taken on more meaning that simply how one draws in their vapor.
See my last post
The device I am using has (from what I understand) a 22 mm Velocity style deck included. I'm just playing around with it a lot because it's a new toy and I really love the versatility. Honestly my real concern is avoiding nic poisoning from playing with it too much rather than trying to define what kind of device it is.
Yeah, I would say that death should probably be a higher concern
That doesn't negate that for those who are trying to define what particular function a device might be geared for need terms that help all parties understand what is being communicated.
Is the Kayfun lite built effectively for MTL style of vaping. Yes, it is and is always referred to as a MTL attie. Can you DL it? Sure, especially with some mods and slip streaming but that's not really what it is built for.
Is the Velocity RDA built effectively for DL style of vaping. Yes it is and is always referred to as a DL RDA. Can you MTL it? Sure, especially with some mods but that's not really what it is built for.
I love playing around with stuff also but without definitions you've got people claiming that open air DL devices can be great MTL devices, just close down the air. That is confusing at best.
So, yeah death and nic poisoning should obviously be a higher concern than definitions but that doesn't negate the need for definitions. Otherwise Tootle Puffer wouldn't be in UD with a definition
"An affectionate term for vapers generally using lower watt devices with atomizer resistance of 1.0 ohm or above and who utilize the Mouth to Lung (MTL) style of vaping. The opposite of a cloudchaser."
Yeah, I would say that death should probably be a higher concern
That doesn't negate that for those who are trying to define what particular function a device might be geared for need terms that help all parties understand what is being communicated.
Is the Kayfun lite built effectively for MTL style of vaping. Yes, it is and is always referred to as a MTL attie. Can you DL it? Sure, especially with some mods and slip streaming but that's not really what it is built for.
Is the Velocity RDA built effectively for DL style of vaping. Yes it is and is always referred to as a DL RDA. Can you MTL it? Sure, especially with some mods but that's not really what it is built for.
I love playing around with stuff also but without definitions you've got people claiming that open air DL devices can be great MTL devices, just close down the air. That is confusing at best.
So, yeah death and nic poisoning should obviously be a higher concern than definitions but that doesn't negate the need for definitions. Otherwise Tootle Puffer wouldn't be in UD with a definition
"An affectionate term for vapers generally using lower watt devices with atomizer resistance of 1.0 ohm or above and who utilize the Mouth to Lung (MTL) style of vaping. The opposite of a cloudchaser."
Oh, sure, I get what you are saying. I do the same thing myself when talking about hardware. It's easier and I find that it leads to more effective communication. I also have found that I have three different draw techniques since I started really thinking about it: 1) I have a standard cigarette pull where I use nothing but the force of opening my jaw and I keep my tongue at the back of my mouth blocking off my throat, then I relax my tongue and breath in to my lungs. 2) I also have a pipe pull where I go through the same jaw motion but keep my tongue relaxed and allow the vapor to fill my mouth and throat before I pull it in to my lungs, with a slight pull given by breathing in as well. 3) And then I also will relax my tongue and just breathe the vapor all the way in like taking a deep breath. I tend to use those as 1) MTL, 2) TC, 3) DTL. So...I'm weird, lol.
Very good post.Yeah, I would say that death should probably be a higher concern
That doesn't negate that for those who are trying to define what particular function a device might be geared for need terms that help all parties understand what is being communicated.
Is the Kayfun lite built effectively for MTL style of vaping. Yes, it is and is always referred to as a MTL attie. Can you DL it? Sure, especially with some mods and slip streaming but that's not really what it is built for.
Is the Velocity RDA built effectively for DL style of vaping. Yes it is and is always referred to as a DL RDA. Can you MTL it? Sure, especially with some mods but that's not really what it is built for.
I love playing around with stuff also but without definitions you've got people claiming that open air DL devices can be great MTL devices, just close down the air. That is confusing at best.
So, yeah death and nic poisoning should obviously be a higher concern than definitions but that doesn't negate the need for definitions. Otherwise Tootle Puffer wouldn't be in UD with a definition
"An affectionate term for vapers generally using lower watt devices with atomizer resistance of 1.0 ohm or above and who utilize the Mouth to Lung (MTL) style of vaping. The opposite of a cloudchaser."
The infamous Eleaf iStick that was part of the original argument STILL doesn't go down low enough for me to use when the battery is full. I've tried to offer it to my brother. No luck. Too high for him too.
And, I've had RBAs that I've had to give away because the airflow made them unusable.
If we can use definitions to help me avoid throwing away money, I'm all for it!
Does anyone still vape Cuttwood Unicorn Milk or Bird Brains? If you do, I found a website with terrific Clearance prices on both, in 15mL-120mL and from $1.95-$12.95, in 4 different nic mg. Didn't try all combinations to see if they're in stock, but did try a few and they "took" when putting them in a Cart for test purposes.
PM me if you'd like to know where they are. Would rather regular posting TPers got "first dibs" at them...instead of lurkers like we used to get on the Are You Done Stocking Up thread when deals were posted.
PM me if you'd like to know where they are. Would rather regular posting TPers got "first dibs" at them...instead of lurkers like we used to get on the Are You Done Stocking Up thread when deals were posted.
And that is spot on my point. I want to, as clearly as we can, define the devices and their attributes to help people decide if they fit the way that they like to vape.
We've all seen the threads where someone will ask for a good MTL tank and get a recommendation to get the latest DL tank and simply close off the air
I'm with you, I've gotten rid of many devices because of too much air. That's why I like to be clear on how I term MTL and it includes all the attributes I listed, for me that is exactly what I'm looking for.
I like to think of one ohm and up vapers as Superohm.
For two ohm and up vapers, still noodling. Doubleohm? SuperDuperohm? Dosohmbres?
For two ohm and up vapers, still noodling. Doubleohm? SuperDuperohm? Dosohmbres?
Waaaay back, when I started vaping and I left behind the analogs, Unicorn Milk was my vape of choice, every day, 24/7. It would be interesting to try it out again, just to see how much my sense of smell and taste have changed.
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