Tootle Puffers, Part Three! (The Sequel of the Redux)

[corn flakes]

When I get to the end of this week, that's what I'm gonna do. Then every time I get the urge to smoke I'll open the cabinet and say "&$%#@^&%# you lousy cigarette!!! And Atcha says @^#%$@&#% too"

You can say it for me as well. Or to me if you like.

 

[listopencil]

Dang. I was looking at charts like that but they seemed to be too good to be true. I thought it would be more difficult than that.

I'm in over my head but swimming like a madman here.

 

[listopencil]

According to this chart. American wire gauge - Wikipedia

You can go down to 9awg

Also, am I reading that correctly, that thicker wire (lower number) is giving you higher resistance? That's how I thought it would be but I want to make sure.

 

[brewbear]

Hey! I finally have a stupid question, woo hoo! How do you determine the diameter of wire for building coils by the gauge number? I have a velocity style deck with 2.95 mm holes in the posts, and I want to make sure that I get wire that will fit in the holes, but I want to make an above Ohm build on the thing. So...should I be going for thicker or thinner wire to keep the resistance up and what gauge should I be looking at to fit into the 2.95 mm post holes? I want to tootle puff on my velocity style deck.

Let's start with the wire thickness, the higher the number, the thinner the wire. You can use thin wire ( 30 or even 32 gauge) to build your coil. The advantage is high resistance with a relatively small number of wraps and fast heating. The thicker the wire, the more wraps you'll need to stay above 1 ohm resistance. That translates in the need for more power to heat the coil or it will take a rather longo time to heat. You can look at a chart of AWG for an easy reference.

 

[listopencil]

Let's start with the wire thickness, the higher the number, the thinner the wire. You can use thin wire ( 30 or even 32 gauge) to build your coil. The advantage is high resistance with a relatively small number of wraps and fast heating. The thicker the wire, the more wraps you'll need to stay above 1 ohm resistance. That translates in the need for more power to heat the coil or it will take a rather longo time to heat. You can look at a chart of AWG for an easy reference.

OK, so thinner wire is higher resistance?

 

[brewbear]

Think of wire like a hose, the bigger the hose diamete, the easier water will flow (less resistance )

 

[listopencil]

Think of wire like a hose, the bigger the hose diamete, the easier water will flow (less resistance )

OK. Got it, thanks. Ideally what I want is two coils at 3 Ohms each to start with.

 

[corn flakes]

Dang. I was looking at charts like that but they seemed to be too good to be true. I thought it would be more difficult than that.

Also, am I reading that correctly, that thicker wire (lower number) is giving you higher resistance? That's how I thought it would be but I want to make sure.

Just take that chart for the wire diameter. It is not a resistance chart for vaping.

 

[Sir Kadly]

I should also say that I'd like to play with a dual coil set up that I can keep above Ohm, in the 1.5 Ohm-ish range even, although I realize that doubling your coils halves your resistance. So a 3 Ohm coil that would fit in a 2.95 mm post hole would be nice.

To get dual 3ohm coils (to wind up at 1.5ohm total resistance) you are going to have to use fairly thin wire, or a large number of wraps.
Examples -
32awg with a 2.5mm dia 7 wraps per coil would be about right. At 3mm it would take about 6 wraps. At 2mm it would be 8 wraps.

26awg - now you need 30 wraps at 2mm, 25 at 2.5mm and 22 at 3mm

Check out Steam Engine

 

[listopencil]

To get dual 3ohm coils (to wind up at 1.5ohm total resistance) you are going to have to use fairly thin wire, or a large number of wraps.
Examples -
32awg with a 2.5mm dia 7 wraps per coil would be about right. At 3mm it would take about 6 wraps. At 2mm it would be 8 wraps.

26awg - now you need 30 wraps at 2mm, 25 at 2.5mm and 22 at 3mm

Check out Steam Engine

Will do. Thanks for the link.

 

[Atchafalaya]

Think of wire like a hose, the bigger the hose diamete, the easier water will flow (less resistance )

I'm confused. The bigger the wire the more resistance. So wouldn't that be opposite of a hose?

 

[Atchafalaya]

Okay nevermind I get it. I know what you're saying now duh. You are talking about the gauge and not the actual width.

 

[brewbear]

I found Steam engine to be a very good tool, but a bit cumbersome. I loaded Vape Tool on my Android phone. The free version serves me well, it is pretty self explanatory.

 

[brewbear]

I'm confused. The bigger the wire the more resistance. So wouldn't that be opposite of a hose?

The bigger the wire cross section diameter, the lower the resistance. The bigger the wire length, the higher the resistance. There now, it's clear as mud!

 

[Flowersoul]

Hello

My name is TomCatt ... and ... uh ... well I'M A TOOTLE PUFFER!

I've always been a Tootle Puffer, even back in the good old days when I was building my own box mods.
I vape strictly DIY peppermint at ~2.5 ohms and 6.5 watts. I've been doin' it since shortly after I started vaping and dang it, I'll keep on doin' it!

Catt! From one to another Tootle Puffer!

 

[TomCatt]

View attachment 678891Catt! From one to another Tootle Puffer!

 

[Two_Bears]

I would recomnend against pure essential oil.

Too strong will cause a burning sensation in the lungs. 1 drop on the skin, mucus membranes or eyes will cause a lot of pain.

It's just
12% Perfumer's Apprentice Peppermint (3.6mL in 30mL)
1% PA Sweetner (0.3mL in 30mL)
in 70/30 PG/VG

If you use pure peppermint oil (I have), you use 0.36mL in 30mL - actually with the syringe I use to measure, I just use 0.35 mL since that's what graduations I have to work with, same difference

I've been holding steady at 5mg for the past 3+ years

 

[Two_Bears]

You can tootle puff on it but it wont have tge flavor of a Kayfun or other flavor chasing atty because the velocity has bigger chamber and restricted airflow.

Know because i tried with a Velocity 2 mini when i thought i would have to give up on my Kompact Kayfun because it was getting to be a pain in the .... to build. Then @ToolmanTexas. Told me about tge replacement screws on Amazon.

I got a set of hex screws from eBay yesterday's. I think the heads on the Amazon screws are better though.

Hey! I finally have a stupid question, woo hoo! How do you determine the diameter of wire for building coils by the gauge number? I have a velocity style deck with 2.95 mm holes in the posts, and I want to make sure that I get wire that will fit in the holes, but I want to make an above Ohm build on the thing. So...should I be going for thicker or thinner wire to keep the resistance up and what gauge should I be looking at to fit into the 2.95 mm post holes? I want to tootle puff on my velocity style deck.

 

[Two_Bears]

I use 26 gauge exclusively.

I prefer tge coil strength so i can rewick as necessary without damaging the. Coil.

If memory serves 26 gauge is .41 mm.

Hey! I finally have a stupid question, woo hoo! How do you determine the diameter of wire for building coils by the gauge number? I have a velocity style deck with 2.95 mm holes in the posts, and I want to make sure that I get wire that will fit in the holes, but I want to make an above Ohm build on the thing. So...should I be going for thicker or thinner wire to keep the resistance up and what gauge should I be looking at to fit into the 2.95 mm post holes? I want to tootle puff on my velocity style deck.

 

[TomCatt]

I would recomnend against pure essential oil.

Too strong will cause a burning sensation in the lungs. 1 drop on the skin, mucus membranes or eyes will cause a lot of pain.

It's always a good idea (which I follow most of the time ) to wear nitrile gloves (the blue or purple "rubber" gloves - can get them at a pharmacy or paint/hardware store) when DIYing. Besides safety, it cuts down on sticky/stinky hands