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You must've missed a big section of my write up...
No, I did not.
Believe me, I have read every posted message in this thread including your previous post.

the Solomon 3 is a single coil OR a dual coil tank depending on how you configure it. As it's set up, for me, right now, it's a dedicated single coil. If I swap out the chimneys, it'll be a dual coil. This tank is doing both jobs well rather than one well and one halfway.
What about the big juice well?

I am not here to offend you nor against your review on the Solomon 3 tank. I am just getting more and more frustrating with the recent business strategy of top air flow tank manufacturers.
 

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As for the bubble glass, lets take the original Zeus tank as example:
The diameter of its glass tube and the slim tube that connects the chamber to the drip tip are approximately 22mm and 6.6mm

Volume of cylinder V=πr^2h
V=3.14159x[(22^2)-(6.6^2)]xh mm^3
V=1383.68xh mm^3
V=1.4h ml

See, if the size of the chamber remain unchanged, every 1mm elongation of the glass tube increase the tank capacity by approximately 1.4ml
I don't believe an increase of 1-2mm in the slim tube will degrade the flavor greatly.
 

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No, I did not.
Believe me, I have read every posted message in this thread including your previous post.


What about the big juice well?

I am not here to offend you nor against your review on the Solomon 3 tank. I am just getting more and more frustrating with the recent business strategy of top air flow tank manufacturers.
OK. Good. You'd be surprised the number of people that ask a question I'd just answered... My apologies to you.

Juice well? You mean wicking ports? They're perfect for a 3.5mm coil with no combing, or a 4mm coil with a light combing. If you're looking for something that will work with 3mm or even 2.5mm, then I'd suggest the Juggerknot Mini or the Serpent Elevate.
 

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No, I did not.
Believe me, I have read every posted message in this thread including your previous post.


What about the big juice well?

I am not here to offend you nor against your review on the Solomon 3 tank. I am just getting more and more frustrating with the recent business strategy of top air flow tank manufacturers.
From a vendor pov it's about profit. The fact is a two for is much cheaper to produce than two individual attys. Same goes for the bubble glass, cheaper than an extension kit with the added bonus of shorter chimney. More cost effective. While I don't like the look of bubble glass you can't deny the perks to us, keeps the draw closer to the coil. This also why we are also seeing more attys with more versatile af. At least they are trying to give us more bang for our buck and some are actually improving the performance.
 

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As for the bubble glass, lets take the original Zeus tank as example:
The diameter of its glass tube and the slim tube that connects the chamber to the drip tip are approximately 22mm and 6.6mm

Volume of cylinder V=πr^2h
V=3.14159x[(22^2)-(6.6^2)]xh mm^3
V=1383.68xh mm^3
V=1.4h ml

See, if the size of the chamber remain unchanged, every 1mm elongation of the glass tube increase the tank capacity by approximately 1.4ml
I don't believe an increase of 1-2mm in the slim tube will degrade the flavor greatly.
No, perhaps not. However it would make an already tall tank that much taller. People, now, are trending towards shorter tanks. And that tall glass... In my experience, the taller they are, the easier they break.

But, we could likely go back and forth all night. Perhaps we should just agree to disagree :) Good thing there are lots of tanks out there to satisfy lots of folks.
 

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No, perhaps not. However it would make an already tall tank that much taller. People, now, are trending towards shorter tanks. And that tall glass... In my experience, the taller they are, the easier they break.

But, we could likely go back and forth all night. Perhaps we should just agree to disagree :) Good thing there are lots of tanks out there to satisfy lots of folks.

Trust me, someone from Geekvape and Kaees will be spying this thread all night. May be we should do this "back and forth" activity till daybreak to urge the spy report back to their head office... Who knows, may be they will listen to their spy feedback rather than ours?
 

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Trust me, someone from Geekvape and Kaees will be spying this thread all night. May be we should do this "back and forth" activity till daybreak to urge the spy report back to their head office... Who knows, may be they will listen to their spy feedback rather than ours?
Hang on to that dream!
Personally, I prefer shorter tanks for my out and about. If I want high capacity, I just take a squonk with me, 8 ml is plenty.
 

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Hang on to that dream!
Personally, I prefer shorter tanks for my out and about. If I want high capacity, I just take a squonk with me, 8 ml is plenty.

If I want capacity, I take this with me
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60ml is more than plenty.
 

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Kaees Solomon 3
Dual Coil config

The only real differences are...
  • The inner chimney has more room for wicking
  • The inner chimney has more airflow holes
  • I ran dual 3mm coils
  • The wicking needs a good bit of combing before being tucked
Other than that, the flavor is great, there's plenty of air...

The same cons also apply...

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I kinda wish I had written this up as one post after all... I mean the specs didn't change... just the coils, wick, and that inner chimney.
 

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GeekVape Ammit MTL
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Although I have quite a few MTL atties in my collection, I'm no longer what I'd consider an MTL caper. Oh, I pick one up from time to time, and The Wife prefers that I use MTL when we go on a trip so as not to fog her (a non-vaper, never-smoker) out of the car, but it's not my ADV by any stretch. This might be because I am down below 3mg nic and don't own anything higher. This means that I end up reaching for my DL rig halfway through the day because I don't feel like I'm getting much from any MTL atty.

That's all to say you might take this particular review with a grain or two of salt...
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The Ammit MTL is a 24mm RTA that measures about 40mm tall. It'll hold 4ml of liquid. In the box you'll find a spare glass (none of 'em bubbled), two 510 drip tips (one has a 2mm ID, and the second one is 3mm), a bag of spare o-rings and screws, a T-tool, and a couple coils. Note that the gold plated center pin on this tank really protrudes... if desired, this will work just fine on a hybrid mech. Why you'd wanna do that is beyond me, though...

I guess I should also point out that there's shorter version with a 2ml capacity for TPD compliance.

Filling is easy... unscrew the top cap, and squirt your liquid one of the two provided holes. Taking that top cap off takes a little longer than may others... a little over six full turns.
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Under that top cap is the airflow adjustment ring. On one side of the ring, there's a single hole. The other side features a slot. The hole or the slot can be positioned over the five airflow holes beneath in a bunch of different ways. I rather like just using the largest single hole, or the three smallest. With all 5 holes open, this tank will allow a VERY restricted DL pull, but I feel like the flavor suffers there.
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Building is just as easy. There's an offset two-post deck with decent sized philips screws accessed from the top. Between these posts is a block that delivers air to one side of the coil. There's another hole that delivers air to the bottom of the coil, and a raised block opposite the posts with yet another air hole. To either side is a wicking hole.
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I'm using a 2.5mm 6 wrap 24AWG SS316L coil in there, and I find it unnecessary to fluff or comb the cotton. I think it might just be possible to tuck a 3mm build in there, but then a bit of combing would be advised.
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Like many of the current crop of Top Air RTAs, this one is using a double-walled chimney section that delivers air all the way to the bottom of the deck, and then up to the coils and your mouth. That chimney is domed.
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The flavor is good, and the vapor is what you'd expect from a MTL setup.

Cons? I'm feeling spoiled by all the pop-up, swing-open, quarter-turn fill methods and this tank does not deliver. Also, this tank feels as heavy as some of my much larger RTAs - that either says something good about the amount of material used in this one, or something bad about the materials used in the others. The post holes are not staggered so the coil will have to be twisted a little bit, but that's VERY nitpicky. Some might say that having three airflow ports on the deck of an MTL RTA makes the throat hit sloppy, or reduces the flavor. Finally, it doesn't seem to come with any cotton.

Pros? Everything else! I mean, it won't leak, reasonably priced, dedicated to MTL, offers decent capacity (outside or TPD), easy to use, comes with a spare glass and spare drip tip, comes with a couple coils... I even think it looks pretty good.

If I was a dedicated MTL vaper, I think I'd be OK with this. BUT, I'm not a dedicated MTL, so...
 
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So does the Themis Mesh and the Vandy Vape Mesh, but they're rebuildable and top air, so they're on the list.

And, of course, the can also be built with a big single coil...

Themis Mesh cannot use a single big coil.
You will need to buy the coil version which comes with a different deck. The Mesh version allows only Mesh net...
 
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Themis Mesh cannot use a single big coil.
You will need to buy the coil version which comes with a different deck. The Mesh version allows only Mesh net...
Not at all true. A big vertical can be installed in there. Ask me how I know...
 

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Not at all true. A big vertical can be installed in there. Ask me how I know...

I have 2 Themis (both mesh edition) shelved months ago. It is not designed for coil. The clamps are designed to hold mesh net, the juice well is too big for coils's cotton etc.

My advice is to avoid buying this tank because it is not practical and hard to maintain (re-wick, cleaning the net) and worse still it requires 8mm (in width) mesh net and that is not as common as the 10mm net in the market.
 
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