Touchy Subject

[Katya]

If e-cigarettes are banned, 11 year old kids will not have the benefit of the harm reduction they provide. So let us take one step at a time.

Even if ECF's attitude may appear as "holier-than-thou" sometimes, it may also sometimes be the best long term strategy for all parties.

ECF's founder made a decision (a long time ago) to keep the forum clean and free of "illegal" conversations not because he's holier than thou but for very pragmatic reasons--we don't want to be accused of illegal behavior by our enemies. Unfortunately, ANTZ visit this forum frequently and monitor our conversations. Some even conduct and publish anti-vaping propaganda "research" papers based on what they've read here (Prue Talbot and her "internet-based research paper," anyone?)

Thus, all talk about illegal drugs and underage (illegal) activities is a no-no. We don't need to give ANTZ any more ammunition.

 

[edyle]

ECF's founder made a decision (a long time ago) to keep the forum clean and free of "illegal" conversations not because he's holier than thou but for very pragmatic reasons--we don't want to be accused of illegal behavior by our enemies. Unfortunately, ANTZ visit this forum frequently and monitor our conversations. Some even conduct and publish anti-vaping propaganda "research" papers based on what they've read here (Prue Talbot and her "internet-based research paper," anyone?)

Thus, all talk about illegal drugs and underage (illegal) activities is a no-no. We don't need to give ANTZ any more ammunition.

........ and create accounts to post provocative things to get a reaction.

 

[Katya]

........ and create accounts to post provocative things to get a reaction.

Very much so.

Especially during those politically sensitive times when the FDA is trying (again and again) to ban or regulate vaping.

 

[Burn_notice_fan_NY]

I started smoking as a minor. I had lots of people telling me that it was bad for me but never had a smoker do it. I think that the most powerful thing a kid considering vaping or smoking to hear: "I've smoked for x years, I've tried to quit y times for x years. I had not been successful without vaping. I use vaping to reduce potential damage that would be caused if I continued smoking. Vaping is ok to assist in limiting/quitting chewing or smoking. I do support its use for this. I do not support it as a hobby for someone looking to kill some time, who has not become addicted to other forms of nicotine consumption. If I could, I would not light up or chew that first time. Do not make the same mistake I did. The damage I did to myself is done, do not repeat my mistake."

Having this stated by a large pro-vaping community would probably have more of an impact than a non-vaper.

 

[Katya]

We do state it--over and over again. Believe me.

 

[stevegmu]

And i know that my views on this will anger some people but its not like you have to accept that a kid is going to do one or the other, there was a time when you could sell cigarettes to minors and almost all adults would put down the kid the parents and the salesman to a point where it was not a common practice.

I suppose children should be allowed to drink near beer, or drive cars, or just be given stipends, because they might steal... Those crying about vaping regulations haven't seen anything, until kids are shown vaping on the news...

 

[Sirius]

I wasn't going to post on this thread but..11 year old children shouldn't use drugs..period! Nicotine is a drug and I admit addiction. I would take a switch to my nephew if I caught him with vape gear. And he's 11 years old exactly.He asked me a question once about my gear. "Unk",(that's what he calls me..lol) "Can I have your mods when you get tired of them?"
I told him, "If I ever get tired of them, and you are 18 yeah..but only if you have a bad habit like I did." He understood.

 

[Elizabeth Baldwin]

We should never advocate a child vaping, drinking, or anything else they shouldn't do. Sure they may do it, but we shouldn't condone it. Is vaping safer than smoking, yes it is. Lots of things are safer than other things, but that doesn't justify giving a lesser harm at all. We dont need anything justifying these stupid FDA regulations.

Children do things. We all know that. But we shouldn't be discussing it with them. When we do that we are just adding fuel to the fire with ANTZ and FDA.

 

[TheJakeBailey]

I've read a lot of these threads, and I've never understood the "well they are going to do what they want anyway" argument. It is very true that some kids will pick up smoking. Illegally, I might add. That is their choice. Some might vape, illegally as well. (in most states) But just because SOME might, and SOME do, doesn't mean you throw in the towel as a parent or an adult.

It's the exact argument as "well, i would rather have them drink at home, then out on the streets." That's well and good, but get caught supplying booze to your high school kids party, and you go to jail.

Man up. Be a parent. Do what parents/adults do. Make hard decisions and give hard advice. If they do it anyway, then at least you did YOUR job as the responsible adult.

 

[Mr.Mann]

i dont buy into nanny culture especially not for the sake of "saving the children." i dont believe children (or simply MINORS in this case) are somehow more valuable than adults *shrug*

Mr. Hicks? Is that you Bill Hicks? LOL.

 

[Bunnykiller]

when stuck between a rock and a hard place.... choose the hard place, you can trip on the rock and fall....

 

[Izan]

Mr. Hicks? Is that you Bill Hicks? LOL.

I think Bill (RIP) may have been parroting George (RIP).
Miss them both....

cheers
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[T0rtitude]

Kids are going to do what they do. They should be discouraged from vaping and smoking. They will smoke anyway. So all you can do is let them sneak and steal cigarettes like every kid does until they're 18. Once they turn 18, get them vaping. It's about all anyone can do.

 

[Sirius]

Kids are going to do what they do. They should be discouraged from vaping and smoking. They will smoke anyway. So all you can do is let them sneak and steal cigarettes like every kid does until they're 18. Once they turn 18, get them vaping. It's about all anyone can do.

Yep -- It's like kiddos wanting to drink coffee. When I was young, I always though it smelled so good. But now soft drinks are loaded with caffeine so that really don't matter to some. Still hypes then up, then the parents claim ADD. It's funny even doctors go along with it then prescribe adderall. What a world we live in eh?

 

[Scootaloo]

To be fair, a whole majority of people take up smoking at a younger age than is legal: and vaping is the healthier alternative so it’s the lesser of two evils.

I wouldn’t want to encourage it because of it looking bad and backfiring on us people legally allowed to do vaping, so if some under age vapour were to join ECF I defiantly support them being banned until there old enough and wouldn’t want people selling them gear or juice, and I wouldn’t dream of letting them use my stuff.

But if some 11 year old or teenager or whatever decided to do vaping, and is discreet about it and not stirring up trouble then that’s there business and I’d say good luck to them and great that they chose that over smoking.

 

[mvroman]

Some 11 year old kid posted in the new members forum the other night, stressing that vaping was the hobby he wanted to pick up due to family dysfunctional stress. Me and a couple of others chimed in before the post was deleted, telling the kid to buy a guitar.

There was also a post telling other vapers to report a YouTube video with a kid explaining how to trick your parents into buying you gear.

I KNOW this is against T&S but, how many of you started smoking prior to the legal age? There have been some pretty nasty comments left for these kids. They obviously have it set in their minds that they want to release some sort of smoke or vapor from their chests. Just like I did. Only now, there's vape tools. AS OPPOSED TO CIGARETTES. Which kill, kill, kill. So hey, except for your fright of losing your ability to vape, would you agree these kids may actually have a point?

While I agree with your entire post, I agree with alot of these guys. Even though kids will be kids like I was, undoubtedly experimenting with tobacco, alcohol, "funny" stuff, etc, we CANNOT encourage it. If legislators see that we encourage children to vape under ANY circumstances, they will turn it against us in a heartbeat. If they do it on their own volition then it isn't our problem per say, however it will affect the statistics obviously.

There is also a line of what we should be saying to these kids anyways. I'd be willing to bet that if many of you people saw these kids IRL smoking or vaping, you wouldn't be as aggressive as you are here. Keep in mind they are CHILDREN and don't need us to be reaming them out cussing and using other nasty words towards them.

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[Marc411]

I believe that there was a significant amount of kids that didn't know what vaping or e-liquid was until the media put it right in their laps. The consent TV coverage made the unknown the talk of the town and now kids want to try it.

Hell if I was young and I heard about this liquid that tasted good (media keeps saying candy) I'd want to try it. I bet if they started talking with the same intensity about how fireball tastes like red hots we would have an increased amount of kids wanting to get their hands on it.

I think we all should be concerned that the media is the one that is planting the seed and in the end will give the FDA the data they are looking to obtain. It's not news, the unrest in this and other countries is news, the failing government is too.

I started smoking way to early because it was on every show I watched as a kid, my parents did it, it looked cool.

Don't by into this being a kids right issue and that they will do it anyway. Make it tough for them if they want to try vaping and don't support it. If my parents would have taken that position I probably wouldn't have smoked cigs.

You just gave the media more bait by asking the question "would you agree these kids may actually have a point?". Better hope they don't find this thread because they will take that one question and use it to say as a community we support kids vaping.

You just took the media's bait damn it!

And in order to get access to this site and post you should have to say you are 18 YO or you can't post.

 

[Equilibrium]

... "how many of you started smoking prior to the legal age?"

There wasn't a legal age for buying cigarettes when I started smoking. If you wanted a pack and had the .89 cents to buy them from the local gas station, you were good to go.

As for other "things" that I wasn't of age to buy.... I didn't broadcast it for the world to see.

 

[Johnny Phatsaqs]

Of course I was under the legal age. I'd venture to say most long term smokers were. I was 15 when I first tried, 16 when I really picked it up. I'll be 38 this month. I have 2 sons. One almost 8, the other 11. They were always on my case to quit smoking, and were very pleased when I did. It was awesome to have them tell me I didn't stink anymore, lol. I never smoked around them, and I don't vape in their faces either.

 

[Sirius]

... "how many of you started smoking prior to the legal age?"

There wasn't a legal age for buying cigarettes when I started smoking. If you wanted a pack and had the .89 cents to buy them from the local gas station, you were good to go.

As for other "things" that I wasn't of age to buy.... I didn't broadcast it for the world to see.

I for one did..I got caught too by may dad. One of the worse switchings I ever got. I didn't smoke again until I was 16. lol