Touchy Subject

[Equilibrium]

Would I buy my kid cigarettes?.... No!

Would I buy my kid an e-cig?.... No!

Would I buy my kid alcohol?... No!

Would I allow my underage kid to drive without a license?.... No!

Would I allow my kid to skip school because they "just didn't feel like going today"?.... No!

There is a whole host if "things" that I won't allow my children to do that my folks allowed me to do or just turned a blind eye to it. It's not because I'm conservative or a prude either. It's because I know better now. I spent the better part of my early adult years as an addict (been clean 10 years) and I will do the best I can to see that they don't follow in my foot steps. I know I can't stop them from doing certain things but I won't make it easy or contribute to them doing it.


I wasn't the "poster child" for the best kid in the world by any means. I did a lot of stuff that my folks never knew about. Still don't know about to this day as a matter of fact. But now that I'm a parent of a 20, 16 and a 6 year old I have a whole new perspective on being a kid and most importantly being a parent.

I'm not here to be their friend. I'm their parent. If they like me - hey that's great, if they don't, that's fine too.

 

[Scootaloo]

I for one did..I got caught too by may dad. One of the worse switchings I ever got. I didn't smoke again until I was 16. lol

What's switching?

 

[Sirius]

What's switching?

OIC you're in the UK..When we were kids and got into trouble we had to go cut a small limb,(switch) from a hickory. They were really small about 1/4 inch round. But, if you cut one too small, then mom or dad would pick one..lol
The switching was done on the legs. Stung quite a bit. Point well taken after a few of those.

 

[bluecat]

We are a do as I say not as I do society. From the government all the way down to us peons. Very few of us have the sense to realize what we do affects our kids more than what we say.

Is vaping good for us? Doubt it. Is it better than smoking..... most likely yes. Is that a good reason to start.. nope.

I didn't see anything wrong with the vid. Some kid that wanted to be on you tube blathering about something.. Her dad even told her she couldn't multiple times. If one of my daughters came to me with that, I would chuckle and say, really now. The vaping came and went through her school. It isn't cool enough, apparently, or the kids are too busy sucking face after school to care.

Heck most of our leaders (said loosely) have smoked at one time, have mistresses ... they lie, cheat and steal... yet we go all goofy when we plebians do it.

 

[bluecat]

OIC you're in the UK..When we were kids and got into trouble we had to go cut a small limb,(switch) from a hickory. They were really small about 1/4 inch round. But, if you cut one too small, then mom or dad would pick one..lol
The switching was done on the legs. Stung quite a bit. Point well taken after a few of those.

Man my friends mom chased him out of the house when we were 12. She ripped a branch from the tree and smacked him with it. I laughed and she came after me... Those things hurt.

 

[realsis]

I smoked since I was about 14. My parents hated it but not much they could have done about it. Sigh, this is a hard one because I am a mother of two. My daughter started smoking at about 15 years old too. I'd much rather see my children vape than smoke but what I tell my now 14 year old son is, it can lead to other things and I'd rather him not start at all. As a mom went don't want to see our children suffer the same addictions well have. That said if they have made up their minds to do it, then nothing well or anyone says will stop them and vaping is much better than smoking! For that child that came on here vaping is a decision his family will have to make.if they allow it, we'll their is nothing we're can say or do and should respect that family's decision. Likely the kid will do what he wants weather any one "approves" or not. I'd rather see them vape than smoke. Personslly.

 

[Sirius]

Man my friends mom chased him out of the house when we were 12. She ripped a branch from the tree and smacked him with it. I laughed and she came after me... Those things hurt.

Ha! Yep like I said they sting pretty good. lol

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

I would rather they vape then smoke, but I would not encourage or condone a kid to start vaping. Especially not an 11 year old. I was still playing Barbie at that age. What's wrong with encouraging a kid to stay a kid and seek kid friendly activities and hobbies for a bit longer? If they were ALREADY smoking and couldn't stop, that's another issue. If all else fails, then some harm reduction is in order and as a parent I would buy them a starter kit myself if it got them off cigarettes and everything else has failed. However, I would not encourage any of my kids to start vaping OR smoking.

 

[pokemom]

I tried my first cigarette at 12 by stealing one of my mom's Virginia Slims. I was buying my own at 14.

I have a high schooler. Many of his friends smoke. Many do hookah & buy disposable hookah at the local convenience store (found one in my kids stuff one day). Several have commented on how they already own vape pens.

Kids are gonna experiment, and kids are gonna smoke. Should we make it easier for them to get vape stuff, because it is healthier than smoking, NO!

Does it matter if it is nicotine free? I don't think so.

Just my humble opinion.


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[Sirius]

I would rather they vape then smoke, but I would not encourage or condone a kid to start vaping. Especially not an 11 year old. I was still playing Barbie at that age. What's wrong with encouraging a kid to stay a kid and seek kid friendly activities and hobbies for a bit longer? If they were ALREADY smoking and couldn't stop, that's another issue. If all else fails, then some harm reduction is in order and as a parent I would buy them a starter kit myself if it got them off cigarettes and everything else has failed. However, I would not encourage any of my kids to start vaping OR smoking.

That's because you sound like a mother rather than a buddy or friend. Kudos to you. More parents should have that attitude imo.

 

[Sirius]

Whatever happened to tough love anyway? I often see very young children getting into adult troubles. They always say in the report, "Tried As Adult". Some of these kids are not even 16 yet. What a shame some raise their children with absolutely no discipline.

 

[edyle]

Some guy asks for a lift down to the bank in the town and you say sure;
he gets in and while on the way maybe you notice he's maybe got a gun;
you drop him at the bank.

you dont know he means to rob a bank.

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Some guy asks for a lift down to the bank in the town because he needs some money so he's gonna rob the bank....
................

If you give him a lift and he robs the bank, then you are an accomplice.
If he turns out to be an undercover cop you can argue entrapment later when you get to court.

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Somebody posts a message in a forum asking a few questions;
you don't know it's an 11 year old kid.

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somebody posts a message in a forum claiming to be an 11 year old kid
that's where the problem is; you don't know who this person is, but if it's really an 11 year old that's stupid enough to announce it, then you really need to set him straight or something.

 

[Equilibrium]

Anybody ever watch "That 70's show"?

Man I miss Red Forman!

 

[Zealous]

Well I do have kids & 1 is 10 so my .2 is this: I don't want other adults advising my kid on how to use any type ecigarette device. If he's going to ever do it I want him to learn about it from me. I like to think that he will feel comfortable asking me about it when the time comes if it's something he becomes preoccupied with. He knows smoking is dangerous & deadly AND he knows how much he disliked me smoking when i did. I have always been open and answered any questions he has ever had about vaping & when I have gone to the vape store & he's been with me I've answered his questions there about what things were & how they worked, etc. I believe that if he were to ever want to get into vaping, even if it was 0 nic, he would ask me since he knows I know what I'm talking about.

Now, would I help someone else's child learn about vaping? Well, if one of my son's friends wanted to learn things about it I would educate them. But I would not do so in the hopes of helping them to achieve a successful vape. I would do it with the idea of wanting to keep them safe. Better for them to know what the potential dangers are from vaping from me than to think there are no dangers (ie nicotine is addictive; not charging your device correctly can cause a fire, coil building safety, etc.). If I knew one of my son's friends was thinking of experimenting with vaping I feel like it would be uncaring for me to not help them be safe. I would also try to contact his parents though & let them know. But that's just me.

 

[zahzoo]

Whatever happened to tough love anyway?

It's alive and well in my household.

We've had many a cell phone, laptops, TV's and parked cars on lock-down over the years. Our oldest started attending college with her car parked in our driveway for a year and a bus pass in her hand due to getting caught drinking and driving at 18. Seven years later she says she hated us for that but it got her to start thinking right and making better decisions which she's now applying to her 4 kids.

 

[HauntedMyst]

Kids will be kids. Adults should be adults. Adults set the rules around vaping and we should do so without regard to those who may rebel. You don't make rules or laws to enable those who would otherwise break them. You make them for the greater good. Kids shouldn't be on ECF. If a kid wants to vape so badly then they'll have to break the law just like they do with drugs, alcohol and cigarettes. An adult buys kids vaping supplies where it's illegal should be treated just no differently than an adult who buys kids cigarettes or alcohol. Seems like a pretty short discussion.

 

[bluecat]

Ha! Yep like I said they sting pretty good. lol

One thing for sure.... I made sure I didn't do it again.

The thing is I was more scared she was gonna call my mom and then my mom would smack me too.

 

[K_Tech]

I am, sadly, not a parent.

That being said, regardless of what I would do for my imaginary children, that doesn't extend to offering advice to a child on how to circumvent his own parents.

I would do anything for my niece and nephew short of keeping secrets from their Mom and Dad.

 

[Fizzy-Penny]

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I KNOW this is against T&S but, how many of you started smoking prior to the legal age? There have been some pretty nasty comments left for these kids. They obviously have it set in their minds that they want to release some sort of smoke or vapor from their chests. Just like I did. Only now, there's vape tools. AS OPPOSED TO CIGARETTES. Which kill, kill, kill. So hey, except for your fright of losing your ability to vape, would you agree these kids may actually have a point?

There wasn't a legal age for smoking when I started (1960s) smoking. I support ECFs decision to not allow people under 18 to be a member or post here. What kids do on youtube is between youtube, them, and their parents; it's not my business. It's also not my place to give a rip whether the 11 year old has a point or not ... well, unless he's MY 11 year old.

That said, I detest the "nanny state" attitude; yes, even where kids are concerned. Our current laws are sometimes idiotic (I mean, come on ... he's old enough to die for his country, but not old enough to drink a beer? Something really wrong with that, imo.). But, current law says you have to be 18 to use a "tobacco product" (a whole other discussion where ecig juice is concerned).

I don't know how we got lucky with our daughter. We left cigarette packages around, even when she was pre-school age, and they were no-argument-don't-touch items. We didn't discuss cigs otherwise as she grew up; yet, she's never wanted to smoke. She's (age 46 now) awfully glad I gave them up for vaping, though.

Parents ought to parent more and expect everybody else to tend to their kids less; but that's not gonna happen in this day & age.

 

[pmcode]

Its an alternative source for a behavioral and for Some chemical addiction, it is NOT a parenting effort reduction device.
There is literally no reason to give a child any product that is designed for adult use.

Just to play the D.A on this....

I wouldn't go that far. What about condoms and birth control pills? We all know how well abstinence lessons have worked (you can only lead your children to life's lessons, you can't always make them learn them the way we want them to. Besides the other health benefits to BCP's. What if it was found that inhaling PG/VG vapor had OHB's? (not saying they do, but....)