Trogs SCREWDRIVER REVIEW by Kit

[trog100]

And of course our personality conflicts wouldn't play any part in the vehemence with which you said no, would it, Trog.

If you don't trust me, you could send one to Dusty. Well sorry, it does sound like a good device but 99gbp is WAY out of my price range. That's more than the Sedansa Diva! And no warranty. Even in my two-job days I couldn't justify that to myself.

But if you change your mind, you know where to find me.

love u dude.. we do seem to have different views dont we.. if u see "vehemence" in what i said it wasnt intended..

as for it being more expensive than your sedansa diva.. why not.. its better than your sedansa diva.. he he..

trog

 

[leaford]

Lighting can really mess with the vapor demos. Sometimes I blow 4 point vapor, and on video all you see is a thin wisp.

My Johnsons Creek retest video has a great example, where I'm in front of Mike's cage, and it looks like I'm not blowing anything, until it hit a light beam and suddenly the camera is blocked by smoke.

 

[dazzer1975]

they will be around for a while hopefully.. the smoke pic is my youngest offspring not me.. i am older and uglier.. he is involved in the making of the things.. he he

excellent stuff, today I have ran out of baccy and have seen for the first time how ineffective for a heavy roll up smoker the super mini is.

I have gotten to the stage where I am part charging each battery before the other one im currently using runs out just to get a nicotine hit...although I am only on 18mg liquid at the moment, got some 36 coming so hopefully that will hit the spot.

we did cheat a bit with the pic.. poor light and the camera flash makes the smoke look a little more awesome than it would look in daylight.. we dont wanna choke folks to death.. he he he..

trog

far as im concerned the closer it gets to choking the better the toke lol

seriously though with that increased power battery and ability to swap it out, and of course the infamous piccy i cant wait to get my grubby little nicotine addled hands on that screwdriver.

Ill drop an email or repost on here when im ready to order.


cheers.

 

[ApOsTle51]

i'm toying with the idea.

a little more self persuation should do the trick

 

[leaford]

Well I'll have to be skeptical about that. Now when you have them fitted for penstyle atomizers, I could put a Sedansa or Janty att on, and THAT I could see being better. But even with a big battery a 901 is still a 901.

 

[RatInDaHat]

i'm sure these cost quite a bit to be making, especially in low quantities and with the time involved.

-Dusty-

 

[ApOsTle51]

whats the body and collar made of Trog ?

looking at the finish it looks like stainless but that's a bugger to work with .

I'm guessing its polished aluminium ?

 

[Soot]

I hope 901's don't need a new battery every week - or even a fortnight - though it's clear these things have a regular maintenance cost. If Trog's device reduces this cost then the 99 quid wouldn't put me off. That the review also points to Trog delivering a decent current to the atomizer is also progress.

With 3 devices on order but none yet delivered I'm going to resist the temptation to make another order. My reluctance isn't only the fear of putting my card in a bank machine only to be told "insufficient funds" (it happened to a mate of mine at work - he phoned the bank to ask whether it was his account or theirs!).

As to yet to be converted e-smoker the Screwdriver presents a couple of questions.

1. The better power delivery could fry atomizers more quickly. Like Trog, I'm awaiting the mini from e-cig.com that has disposable atomizers (though - there seem to be supply problems with e-cig.com - for around a month now). When/if Trog gets these disposables there could be a significant improvement to the Screwdriver - but wonder how that might raise running costs. Cost though would be less of an issue if it led to a device you could rely on. I hope Trog gets his delivery soon.
2. The shape of the Screwdriver seems to suggest a smoking habit that cups the device in your hand - more akin to a pipe smoker. In moving to e-smoking I'll stage my changes - pipes never did anything for me apart from giving me a mouthful of tar.

 

[trog100]

whats the body and collar made of Trog ?

looking at the finish it looks like stainless but that's a bugger to work with .

I'm guessing its polished aluminium ?

its polished aluminium.. they look sweet and feel solid and chunky..

we can make them to tale classic atomizers leaford it messes up the styling thow..

we have a smaller battery one we are gonna make some of next week.. a bit cheaper.. not so bloody fiddly to make..

it might be called the techno cigar or perhaps the techno stik we aint made our minds up yet.. it will take a classic atomizer.. powered by a 400 mah cigar battery..

they do take time to make rusty.. we aint chinese.. he he

trog

 

[threespeed]

Hello Trog.

I would like to be a free tester .he.he.

I could provide the publicity of a full convert from real cig's if the batteries would last long enough. he.he.

But I don't think I could do a review like Leaford or Ratindahat.

Thanks for the help on charging batteries.
Hope all goes well with (The Screwdriver)

 

[Bond_ James Bond]

i'm sure these cost quite a bit to be making, especially in low quantities and with the time involved.

-Dusty-

I don't think that the screwdriver is over priced for the same reason you mentioned.'
But I do think that you and Leaford ( both of you are the "officials testers" of the forum ) should get one to demo it for all of us...

 

[futbol9]

Trog you should send one to dusty so he can model it for us. I am pretty sure if we like what we see we'll buy it, even if is expensive, well at least I will. I'll do whetever to keep me off real cigarettes. Thanks. We need to see a video

 

[RatInDaHat]

Just a quick amusing thing i noticed. I'm not going to say it isn't worth the price cause it looks beautiful and hand crafted, but trog... You realize that you now have one of the most expensive pieces on the market? i just get a little chuckle out of that.

-Dusty-

 

[trog100]

Just a quick amusing thing i noticed. I'm not going to say it isn't worth the price cause it looks beautiful and hand crafted, but trog... You realize that you now have one of the most expensive pieces on the market? i just get a little chuckle out of that.

-Dusty-

i know dusty it is amusing.. i get a reputation for buying cheap and chucking then end up selling a very expensive product.. i see the irony... he he he

but it is about value.. i would have been happy to buy expensive if buying expensive would get me what i want.. we know people think in chinese values.. so the screwdriver has to be something special..

we see it as a lifeline for real addicts.. its being offered with forum support as a long haul thing.. advice where to get cheap consumables and all thats needed..

the high purchase price will soon come back in lower running costs..

but i can see u chuckling.. i also think u know exactly where we are comng from as well.. i expect u to buy one.. he he

trog

 

[lucisac]

Trog, did you make this screwdriver yourself? It's a masterpiece!

 

[trog100]

Trog, did you make this screwdriver yourself? It's a masterpiece!

we use as many donor parts as we can to keep costs down.. but the finished product and design is ours..

trog

 

[lucisac]

I sent u a PM

 

[ned Zeppelin]

This has no disrespect intended for Leaford or rat as I do feel these guys do a lot and I respect them for what they do. But I do think people on this forum should not expect trog to give out free or hint of giving samples of his work.


As a company owner myself we get requests every day regarding customers wanting free samples of this and that and the other and because this would take time and money it becomes impossible and if we had to do this we would probably not still be in business.


Certain items yes can be sampled freely. But certainly not products that are custom or made to order plus we're not talking sending out a 901 which some suppliers can afford to lose the odd one as they will gain sales from a good review. So I hope people will respect trog with some sort of courtesy and respect in whether or not he can or can't afford to send these out as free samples.


I have mentioned on a few occasions it would be a good idea to set up some sort of donation box for our reviewers to use for reviews and demonstration purposes. As I feel there is enough of us on here to donate their odd dollar or two contributing for this as we should not expect people like Leaford and rat to keep spending their hard earned cash to entertain us and neither should other reviewers expect to receive free bees and to be treated like there some sort of royalty.


If there is a problem with the price of an item and it is not affordable because we are all not made of money. Why not a few people put their money together and buy the item and distributed out between all of you making this more possible because of funds. I am sure that there are enough people that would be willing enough to do this to make this happen for people that wish to see certain items being demonstrated and are not in a position to buy the goods there self or either don't agree the item is worth the price and cannot justify this.


some of us on this forum have spent thousands of dollars individually on testing out and posting a review of our opinions of a lot of these products and I personally have not done it to entertain other people or to encourage them to buy the products .I have done it because I am enjoying this technology at present and don't expect any praise or recognition for what I have done. But what does upsets me is when I think product is worth its waiting and somebody comes along and still wants to see a video to see how much vapour it produces and I find this hilarious as I have probably explained the vapour being great and they obviously don't believe a word of what I have been saying in the first place.


And I would like to personally thank kit for a excellent detailed review of the screwdriver and hope this will confirm more to people that trogs screwdriver is worth paying the extra for in the long run.

 

[leaford]

I've been thinking about this a lot, and I think I figured out what it's missing.

Basically, you've got a big battery. Oh, and a push buton. Don't get me wong, I like a big battery. And I like push buttons. Love em in fact. I am interested in and like the big battery and the button.

But with all that, it's still just a 901 atomizer, and a 901 cartridge. It needs an atomizer and cartridge like the e-pipe. But that's not off the shelf and user exchangeable.

But if Naz is right, a LoongTotem atomizer puts out pipe-level vapor and cartridges last all day without refilling. It would keep the off-the-shelf convenience of the 901 atomizer. Plus, it's slim, so it won't ruin the lines, eh, Trog? You get the vapor level and cartridge lifespan to match the battery.

Now, THAT might be worth 100GBP to me. Might.

 

[trog100]

we disagree about relative performance often.. i rate the 901 atomizer higher up the performance league than u do..

mind u i throw mine away quite quickly.. the instructions with the screwdriver say two weeks max atomizer life for a heavy user.. with a good atomizer and good batteries we rate the screwdriver close to the pipe as regards vapour production.. the pipe can produce good result but they are not consistent results.. we have tried a few more than u have.. the results can be very poor..

and i wont know what a loong totem type atomizer puts out to till i get my hands on a few.. the idea of fitting the new atomizer/cart to the screwdriver is there.. if anything new comes along and its reasonably priced the option is open to change it..

a return to base plus small a charge will be made to swap to other type atomizers..

basically we like the 901 atomizer a little more than u do.. so do many others.. we also have to use whats available.. a cheap replacement atomizer to go with the pipe would make it a superb device apart from the sherlock holmes factor.. he he

trog