Trogs SCREWDRIVER REVIEW by Kit

[trog100]

leaford read the instructions that come with the device.. it isnt a two hour cartridge..

smoke the cart for a short while then top up the cart with liquid.. its best not to let the cart get too dry.. more vapour is produced when things are kept wet-ish.. a cart can be reused several times.. they do not need replacing every time..simply top them up from the bottle when needed and after a couple of days or so use a new cart.. if the cart is overfilled a nasty taste in the mouth will be the result.. wet but not too wet.. it soon comes with a little practise..

follow the instruction for good results.. regular tops ups are needed.. if u dont follow the instructions good performance is not guaranteed..

trog

 

[ned Zeppelin]

Trog, it's not about how much I like or don't like a 901, it's about how much vapor it produces. I can use a 901 and my pipe side by side and the pipe produces three or four times more vapor. i have had many 901's and they are excellent. But they do not compare in vapor volume to my 601 pipe. That is an objective, easily demonstrated reality, not a value judgment on whether or not I like it. You are kidding yourself if you think a 901 makes just as much vapor as a good e-pipe. Or, if that's all that your e-cig.com pipes produced, I'm surprised you ever bought more than one.

Now, I wouldn't expect the bigger battery would increase the vapor production by that much. Maybe a bit, but you've still got the same surface area limitations of that size heating coil, so not much. I would expect the real benefit si in runtime. But, Kit, how about it? You said it produces a plumes of vapor, but give me a comparison; does it match my e-Pipe video?

Leaford I'm not going to or trying to get into any sort of disagreement here because I have too much respect for you anyway but regarding the vapour of the screwdriver it's is actually producing more vapour than the 601 pipes. I have three of these pipes here now and yes they do produce good vapour.


But the screwdriver is producing more and I know this is hard to believe and I was sceptical to believe this myself as I'm not a big fan of 901 anyway I personally prefer the pen style atomiser and I do hope trog will be able to make a screw on peace for my screwdriver battery part to accept the pen style atomiser as I do prefer the feel of the mouthpiece in my mouth and I find I like to use my tweezers to nudge the cartridge and topping etc plus we have boatloads of pen style cartridges and probably enough to last me six months.


I'm not one for making videos but over the last couple of three days I desperately wanted to make one to prove the fact how good the vapour on the screwdriver actually is and I know this sounds like an excuse but believe me it's not .I actually sold my Sony VX 2000 video camera to a friend on Sunday night as I am moving into H. D. cameras now and he rang me up offering me the cash so I grabbed his hand off and I also don't own a WebCam because I do like top-quality images and prefer to use video cameras period.


So now I'm so frustrated I can't show you or anybody else the proof. Which I would have used the pipe and then the screwdriver to prove how good the vapour is and I've always thought there is nothing out there that is as good for producing vapour than the pipes but I've been proven wrong by using the screwdriver which I know is so hard for people to believe but it's true.

 

[leaford]

Well, thanks Ned, that's the direct side by side comparison I was hoping for.

And if it can do that for a 901, it could do more for a pen, and more still for a LT, presumably. It's just a matter of a different fitting.

Besides I'd still like the cartridge life to equal the battery life.

Don't you have a LT, too, Ned? How does that compare to the pipe and screwdriver?

 

[trog100]

now i know u guys like the classic.. but we dont here is why.. first the screwdriver is meant for maximum as new performance all the time.. not just when a new cart is popped in and when a fresh battery is put on..

so why dont we like the classic atomizer.. after the first few puffs the performance drops off.. from that point on its down hill..

if will did sell the screw driver with a classic atomizer we would advice it to be direct dripped.. we think its the only way to get the best from it.. so whats the problem with direct dripping.. its too fiddly.. it has to be done more often.. its too easy to get it wrong..

we fitted what we thought the best overall atomizer for the general heavy user.. we could just as easily fitted the screwdriver with a classic atomizer if we thought they produced more vapour.. we dont think this.. so we didnt..

we dont think carts work period.. so we will never advice anyone to simply pop one in and use it.. but the 901s biggest weakness is its inadequate battery..

the 901 powered by a decent battery produces enough vapour to satisfy anyone.. if it dosnt they are beyond hope.. he he

we will look into the screw in end piece to convert to a classic ned it sounds do-able..

in fact we will make a converter.. u can have the first one ned.. 901 with the basic device classic with adapter added.. it could be sold seperately to the main device..

trog

 

[ned Zeppelin]

Well, thanks Ned, that's the direct side by side comparison I was hoping for.

And if it can do that for a 901, it could do more for a pen, and more still for a LT, presumably. It's just a matter of a different fitting.

Besides I'd still like the cartridge life to equal the battery life.

Don't you have a LT, too, Ned? How does that compare to the pipe and screwdriver?

I know Leaford the maths and physics side of things regarding the size of the 901 probably just doesn't add up and is hard to believe what the extra power with a 901 atomiser can do. But like I keep saying it simply works.


Re: LT it certainly produces the vapour in the bracket of the pipe and screwdriver but to be honest with you the texture of the smoke seems like real smoke not so much like vapour type smoke .like something is burning and other people have commented on this when I have smoked this in front of other people regarding the texture saying it's like real smoke burning. I don't use the LT as much these days because of the crappy batteries and I only have two that are just about still going and another five which I keep meaning to send back for replacements but I don't want to be forced into buying more cartridges as I properly have 80 cartridges here now which I can't really use so that's a frustrating situation to be in to.


You can't criticise the LT regarding vapour because it's good regarding this but it is not constant it can be hit and miss at times and I do have around five or six units and they all behave the same way. And I feel for anybody that likes the taste flavour of vapour they will be very disappointed with LT. You can drip it as much as you like but it does improve it slightly but will not satisfy what people get with their pen styles regarding flavour and I feel although it's a great idea it still needs to be worked on to perfect this.


But I am no expert regarding battery power. But I feel if you put an LT cartridge/atomiser on the screwdriver I don't think it would last too long and feel it would probably burn out very quickly as they can burn out quickly anyway if you are using them a lot and the only way of keeping these from tasting nasty is to keep dripping these anyway which takes away what they were supposed to be for in the first place. But to be perfectly honest with you Leaford I think you said in the past that you like the flavour of vapour rather than the kick and I don't think you would enjoy these like you do with the others but who knows.


The other thing I've noticed using various cartridges in the LT these have faults to. Some smoke good others bad some have decent draw others have bad draw so these can be hit and miss to which is quite disappointing and you might get some flavour for the equivalent of a couple of cigarettes and then it goes . So as well as the batteries I've even had problems with the cartridges to .

 

[futbol9]

Hello, I think the Janty classic atomizers (penstyle) is better than the 901 in terms of taste. Eventhough the 901 produces good amount of vapor I can't feel the throat hit as with the janty atomizer. With the janty atomizer I can really feel the throat kick right away. By the way I've used both the janty classic and 901 with the RY4(high)janty liquid, and both produce good vapor, exept that with the janty you feel it a lot more in your throat if the screwdriver has a 901 atomizer then I do not think I would like it as much in terms of the throat hit.

 

[ned Zeppelin]

now i know u guys like the classic.. but we dont here is why.. first the screwdriver is meant for maximum as new performance all the time.. not just when a new cart is popped in and when a fresh battery is put on..

so why dont we like the classic atomizer.. after the first few puffs the performance drops off.. from that point on its down hill..

if will did sell the screw driver with a classic atomizer we would advice it to be direct dripped.. we think its the only way to get the best from it.. so whats the problem with direct dripping.. its too fiddly.. it has to be done more often.. its too easy to get it wrong..

we fitted what we thought the best overall atomizer for the general heavy user.. we could just as easily fitted the screwdriver with a classic atomizer if we thought they produced more vapour.. we dont think this.. so we didnt..

we dont think carts work period.. so we will never advice anyone to simply pop one in and use it.. but the 901s biggest weakness is its inadequate battery..

the 901 powered by a decent battery produces enough vapour to satisfy anyone.. if it dosnt they are beyond hope.. he he

we will look into the screw in end piece to convert to a classic ned it sounds do-able..

in fact we will make a converter.. u can have the first one ned.. 901 with the basic device classic with adapter added.. it could be sold seperately to the main device..

trog

Thank you trog I really appreciate that my friend if we could have a pen style atomiser attached to the screwdriver. I'm not particularly bothered how it would look as I am used to holding it now and got used to the shape and thought it would be a good idea to have an option to have of a part with a pen style thread that would screw into the battery part.
It also could be sold with the two options together if people wanted this as this would cover all common atomisers at present and would cater for what cartridges we all have. But for me trog personally you've made the 901 atomiser more acceptable for me now giving this more power and life. But I have been using the Janty cartridges for so long now I do prefer the feel of these mouthpieces in my mouth. So it's not as so much as the atomiser itself it's the feel of the mouthpiece plus I like nudging the core and the cartridge to bring the juice to the top and find it more tricky with the 901 amount of space.


But the amazing thing about the screwdriver in its present form with a 901 atomiser is that the drier the cartridge gets the bigger in vapour and when newly wet it produces less vapour. So just in between of wet and to dry it bellows vapour out.


But in the last week I have used this and I haven't had the need to use any other device which is strange for me and now I have some of Simon's new 36 this thing is rocking well pleased.

 

[leaford]

Well, LT's and pipe carts are the best options for all day capacity, so if LT's stink, then the screwdriver wouldn't do it for me.

The pipe's closer to what I want from an e-smoker. It gives me all three things I want the Most. One, vapor; two, battery life; three, cartridge life. The Screwdriver hits two of those notes, but even if I could afford it I'd have to pass, at that price, unless it could hit all three.

Not knocking you or it, Trog. Bravo. But it wouldn't be for me, and certainly not at the price.

 

[ned Zeppelin]

Hello, I think the Janty classic atomizers (penstyle) is better than the 901 in terms of taste. Eventhough the 901 produces good amount of vapor I can't feel the throat hit as with the janty atomizer. With the janty atomizer I can really feel the throat kick right away. By the way I've used both the janty classic and 901 with the RY4(high)janty liquid, and both produce good vapor, exept that with the janty you feel it a lot more in your throat if the screwdriver has a 901 atomizer then I do not think I would like it as much in terms of the throat hit.

I was a full-time Janty kiss box user until I tried a screwdriver and I totally agree with you regarding the Janty and the kick. The 901 atomiser behaves totally different in the screwdriver than when used with normal batteries. The 901 atomiser will give you more kick than the Janty when used with a screwdriver believe me this is fact and I know it's probably hard for some people to believe but it's true.

 

[trog100]

the only reason u know how good the screwdriver is ned is cos u have one.. he he..

the add on piece will screw into the existing atomizer thread.. then the classic will screw into the new piece.. it should look basically okay.. it will enable u to use up all your stocks as well.. he he


trog

ps.. the pipes did it for us leaford.. but they big.. hard to carry around and its painfull to have to throw them away because given our kind of every day use they just dont last that long..

plus they are not exactly discrete.. then we have the sherlock holmes factor..we have tried more than just the e-cig ones by the way.. we have one now that cost £75 UK pounds.. we cant afford to use them..

 

[ned Zeppelin]

Well, LT's and pipe carts are the best options for all day capacity, so if LT's stink, then the screwdriver wouldn't do it for me.

The pipe's closer to what I want from an e-smoker. It gives me all three things I want the Most. One, vapor; two, battery life; three, cartridge life. The Screwdriver hits two of those notes, but even if I could afford it I'd have to pass, at that price, unless it could hit all three.

Not knocking you or it, Trog. Bravo. But it wouldn't be for me, and certainly not at the price.

It's a shame Leaford I hope one day you will be able to try the screwdriver. I don't think you will be disappointed but although the pipe batteries last long. My batteries don't seem to last for eight hours using the pipe or so the best kick from the pipe is better without the cartridge in itself plus this seems to produce more vapour without the cartridge in also.
Also I hope they will produce a pipe with a narrower mouthpiece as I find the mouthpiece at present to wide and there should be more options in the future and as you mentioned that fiddly battery cap which is a pain but I know you've done something there to make it easier for yourself and sometimes I find the connections inside the pipe to be dodgy to.

 

[ned Zeppelin]

Thank you trog it is much appreciated and thank you very much

 

[leaford]

I agree about being too expensive to replace atomizers, Trog. Although again, that's where a waranty comes in handy. No replacement costs.

And I agree about the realistic form factor. And I like the push button.

I imagine you get a longer runtime from the same battery in the screwdriver than the pipe, too.

But $200 is two warrantied kissboxes, or Janty Classics, or two e-pipes, warrantied for all replacement parts for 6 months. Or better still one pen, one pipe.

Plus, one $10 atomizer every two weeks is $120, that's a third warrantied set, plus change.

I can't justify it, no matter how cool it is, unless it filled my e-smoking needs better or cheaper than the above, or other options. I can't justify big ticket items otherwise anymore.

 

[Kit]

Well, thanks Ned, that's the direct side by side comparison I was hoping for.

And if it can do that for a 901, it could do more for a pen, and more still for a LT, presumably. It's just a matter of a different fitting.

Besides I'd still like the cartridge life to equal the battery life.

Don't you have a LT, too, Ned? How does that compare to the pipe and screwdriver?

last night leaford i said the screwdriver matched your pipe in comparison,

this was a reedited post! and was not what i original posted.

i original wrote it's far better, than your pipe vid, but thought i might be

ridiculed for saying it , so didn't.

anything for a peaceful life !

 

[gashin]

So trog when you gonna sell me one? Or are you anti-USD?

now i know u guys like the classic.. but we dont here is why.. first the screwdriver is meant for maximum as new performance all the time.. not just when a new cart is popped in and when a fresh battery is put on..

so why dont we like the classic atomizer.. after the first few puffs the performance drops off.. from that point on its down hill..

if will did sell the screw driver with a classic atomizer we would advice it to be direct dripped.. we think its the only way to get the best from it.. so whats the problem with direct dripping.. its too fiddly.. it has to be done more often.. its too easy to get it wrong..

we fitted what we thought the best overall atomizer for the general heavy user.. we could just as easily fitted the screwdriver with a classic atomizer if we thought they produced more vapour.. we dont think this.. so we didnt..

we dont think carts work period.. so we will never advice anyone to simply pop one in and use it.. but the 901s biggest weakness is its inadequate battery..

the 901 powered by a decent battery produces enough vapour to satisfy anyone.. if it dosnt they are beyond hope.. he he

we will look into the screw in end piece to convert to a classic ned it sounds do-able..

in fact we will make a converter.. u can have the first one ned.. 901 with the basic device classic with adapter added.. it could be sold seperately to the main device..

trog

 

[Happi]

Ned, how long do the 601 atomizers last?

 

[Happi]

Trog, why not fit a larger battery, e.g. 2500 mAh. the weight, the size???

 

[MagusSteele]

I didnt read everything in here, to much junk, but, it looks real nice Trog.

The Idea of makeing just the battery add-ons for existing ones is a great idea.
Your Kit with everything is nice, but some people already have piles of parts, waiting for a good battery

When I can screw in my Pen atomizer, I may think of gettting one from you too.

 

[trog100]

gashin.. we have sent five out so far.. one to the US.. one to Irelend.. one to Scotland.. two to England..

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happi.. we could make a "monster" one but thought enough is enough.. it is about size and weight.. he he

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magus.. if it works out we will make the classic adapter as an extra.. i think it will work out.. we could alsp make other adapters.. the divice will evolve as new ideas or new atomizers come up.. we see it as long haul system..

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our pipes last no longer than any other atomizer.. also our pipes need direct dripping to work properly..

once again our findings simply differ from leafords.. we found the pipes to be superb when at their best.. poor when not at their best.. the carts didnt work.. and they did not last long enough.. we do however quite clearly give our devices more stick than leaford does.. we use just the one device.. he uses several..

he gets 18 hours from a pipe battery which means he would get the same from a screwdriver.. we get about 6 from either devise..

i can find no other reason for the difference in finding.. we give our devices a much harder life than he does..

we tried the pipes.. the pipes cost to much to keep replaing.. leaford seems to think he is gonna keep getting free ones.. he might if he payed $350 dollars for a ruyan e pipe but i doubt he has..

expensive is as expensive does.. the ruyan small print also locks u into the liquid gold priced consumables.. which in essence is what finances the continual free replacements..

and yes magus this thread is full of sh-t... he he

trog

 

[Happi]

Thanks for the answer, Trog

I've sent you an email, will be ordering a screwdriver from you, but need a few questions answered first.

Looking forward to hearing from you