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I'm waiting for despots to start ticketing people for farting... $50.00 per fart sound about right? For the "common good", of course!
In a lot of ways, I think the big battle is not with the politicians, it's between vaping and big tobacco. It's an interesting dilemma. I think there will be backlash against vape bans, and most certainly a grey, and a black market.
I have no interest in those markets anymore, they're risky, and they promote dangerous behaviors.
There is no way on God's green earth alcohol is ever getting banned, OR cigarettes.
I think the fight may well be what HAPPENS once vaping is banned, just how much crime and death and well, bad stuff occurs.
It will be interesting. I like to think that vaping, like alcohol, well the prohibition will eventually be lifted. I don't know how long it will take, or what will have to go down. I do believe three may well come enough crime and problematic sort of things going on that the government may have to back off. But I'm not certain of that.
I am prepared to be very, very interested, I will tell you that. I also, while I certainly do not want to USE the grey/black market am very interested in participating in it in some ways, and in carrying a derringer in my garter. I mean, I probably won't but it would be a lot of interesting fun. I just couldn't do it because there are so many illegal things KILLING people already, participating in the vape part-- nah, don't want to. Even as a supplier, you don't know what you got.
I will supply everyone with batteries though, my kid works for a chain where that's all they sell like and light bulbs and they repairs stuff. He's just been promoted to corporate sales manager for his area, and I know how to incorporate. It's not HARD.
Anna
I have no interest in those markets anymore, they're risky, and they promote dangerous behaviors.
There is no way on God's green earth alcohol is ever getting banned, OR cigarettes.
I think the fight may well be what HAPPENS once vaping is banned, just how much crime and death and well, bad stuff occurs.
It will be interesting. I like to think that vaping, like alcohol, well the prohibition will eventually be lifted. I don't know how long it will take, or what will have to go down. I do believe three may well come enough crime and problematic sort of things going on that the government may have to back off. But I'm not certain of that.
I am prepared to be very, very interested, I will tell you that. I also, while I certainly do not want to USE the grey/black market am very interested in participating in it in some ways, and in carrying a derringer in my garter. I mean, I probably won't but it would be a lot of interesting fun. I just couldn't do it because there are so many illegal things KILLING people already, participating in the vape part-- nah, don't want to. Even as a supplier, you don't know what you got.
I will supply everyone with batteries though, my kid works for a chain where that's all they sell like and light bulbs and they repairs stuff. He's just been promoted to corporate sales manager for his area, and I know how to incorporate. It's not HARD.
Anna
That’s two different scales. It’s not liberty vs despotism.
It’s liberty vs bondage and democracy vs despotism.
It’s a narrow difference as democracy follows liberty and bondage follows despotism. It’s a very close relationship, but not exact.
I agree. It’s merely that Big Tobacco is currently using government as a weapon
I almost entirely agree. Everything but cigarettes. I consider that one improbable but not impossible. Banning cigarettes is a very very long term process. Use has to get to a number much much lower than it currently is at for it to become possible. That may yet happen. I doubt personally I’ll be alive to see it, but that doesn’t mean it won’t happen.
Batteries, PG, and VG are all multi use items. We use power tool batteries, and PG and VG are both very widely used for all sorts of other things. 18650 batteries specifically could conceivably go out of use. Even 3.7v batteries could go out of use. It will Be market driven though.
The rugged one is clean nic.
I feel better using liberty, as I didn't want to engage in a vs conversation. Since you brought it up, we [here in the USA] don't live in a democracy. A democracy is rule by majority. The USA is a representative republic. If you want to use constitutional democracy, or representative democracy, that would be fine with me.
The purpose of the US Constitution is to protect the minority from the majority.
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I was talking terminology. What words mean. You’re flying off in a direction I never went which implies you were off in that direction anyway.
Ban e-cigs because they may be responsible for 9 deaths over the last several years? Why not ban alcohol?
"Excessive alcohol use led to approximately 88,000 deaths and 2.5 million years of potential life lost (YPLL) each year in the United States from 2006 – 2010, shortening the lives of those who died by an average of 30 years."
"Excessive alcohol use led to approximately 88,000 deaths and 2.5 million years of potential life lost (YPLL) each year in the United States from 2006 – 2010, shortening the lives of those who died by an average of 30 years."
You can add Durbin and Tammy to the list. They have no clue what they are talking about. One called vaping smoking. Good grief. Problem is they know it all.
Yeah I wrote a pretty detailed letter to one of my Ohio Senators last week.
For all the good it'll do...
They can try. Not sure many will be overly trusting or amenable to such notions. Interesting to see what a total boycott of big tobacco nets.
Bet we see a lot of politicians running for the hills. They'll be on the banking cartel's hit list as well as big tobacco and big phrama's list, not to mention the list of the People. Can almost feel sorry for them, almost.
Great! We can ban water then, and air, potatoes, furniture legs, we can even ban bans.
"And they ate the minstrels. All were happy. Yay!"
"Ban flavored e-cigarettes" ?
Each e-cigarette that I bought since 2007 was EMPTY
Each e-cigarette that I bought since 2007 was EMPTY
Trump now says; "We need to protect the (vaping) industry..." That could mean several things. If Trump intends on siding with BT, I suspect he will refrain until after the 2020 election. I have a pretty good idea on how this will play-out... Any takers?
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