Turbocad's finally selling mods :)
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my opinion on those 2 questions is that it squonks very well and once you get a little used to it the sideways bottle is not really a problem at all. it may require an extra second or 2 of holding the squonk squeeze over a more conventional setup but it works very well, again once you get a little used to it, but since you asked the question to someone else I'll say that I would actually love to hear another opinion on this as well to tell you the truth.
I honestly have had almost no feedback on the over and under design from any of the ones I've built, good or bad, from anyone I've built it for.... now I guess I kinda look at it as no news is good news
I mean I guess when people have problems I would think I'd hear about it, especially on a mod that was pretty damn expensive to build compared to many, but I'd really like to know what some others have thought of it to tell you the truth. maybe I've always just been almost afraid to ask 
it may be just a little quirky in some ways but not bad at all and I always looked at it as a good tradeoff as a way to have a dual 18650 squonker that wasn't all that much wider than a normal single 18650 mod...
as far as the list goes, I always thought it was a good idea to keep it published and accessible to anyone on it for total transparency and fairness.... when I first started here I was very eager to build a list, I mean of course I just wanted to know that some people would even want one of my mods in the first place, and the more people that showed interest by joining the list the more secure I felt, in the beginning.
now I'm not saying a list is necessarily a bad thing or a good thing, truth is it can be both good and bad in some ways I guess, but let me tell you that a list of X amount of names does not necessarily mean that X amount of people are definitely going to buy one when their turn comes up.... time passes, peoples interests and situations can change, and it's not uncommon for someone to be eager for something one month yet not as eager a month or 3 later. I don't blame anyone at all and completely understand this so that's why I decided to change the way I was doing things here a bit, for both me and you guys as well...
now if I start getting a lot of interest in wood mods again I will still run a list for them, I mean I still am really, but because of the way I'm now doing the ultems a list just makes a bit less sense for those so I'm going to try it this way and see how it goes... many people want a mod when they want it, a really long list can be a big turn off, and what good is it if someone wants one now but don't want to get on a long list, many people on the list are keeping them from being interested, while maybe some people actually on the list aren't going to be able to follow through anyway, it's just self defeating in some ways.
a batch release sounds like a better idea to me... I mean it gives those who want one now an opportunity to try to get in on a batch now, if they get in great, they make a deposit and they get there mod built that month, if they don't then they are not chained down to getting a notice several months from now when they may no longer be as interested or eager or they may have just bought something else or may no longer be in a position to just spend that kind of money right then and there at that moment they pop up... I mean I think many of us have been there, we want something, we go down on a list hoping it don't take too long, then we wait so long yet when the time comes we're like crap, I really want it but the timing just sucks for me... I mean this is just normal for many I think....
I hated having to put people through the pressure of feeling like they made a commitment and I also hated feeling like I was having to chase people down and making them feel bad when they had to tell me the timing just sucks for them at the moment, this batch release way may work much better all around for both me and you guys as well I think.... people jump in when they are ready willing and able to do so, the longest you'll have to wait is about a month till the next batch if you decide you want one today.... hopefully it will be more of a win win type deal
I honestly have had almost no feedback on the over and under design from any of the ones I've built, good or bad, from anyone I've built it for.... now I guess I kinda look at it as no news is good news
I mean I guess when people have problems I would think I'd hear about it, especially on a mod that was pretty damn expensive to build compared to many, but I'd really like to know what some others have thought of it to tell you the truth. maybe I've always just been almost afraid to ask it may be just a little quirky in some ways but not bad at all and I always looked at it as a good tradeoff as a way to have a dual 18650 squonker that wasn't all that much wider than a normal single 18650 mod...as far as the list goes, I always thought it was a good idea to keep it published and accessible to anyone on it for total transparency and fairness.... when I first started here I was very eager to build a list, I mean of course I just wanted to know that some people would even want one of my mods in the first place, and the more people that showed interest by joining the list the more secure I felt, in the beginning.
now I'm not saying a list is necessarily a bad thing or a good thing, truth is it can be both good and bad in some ways I guess, but let me tell you that a list of X amount of names does not necessarily mean that X amount of people are definitely going to buy one when their turn comes up.... time passes, peoples interests and situations can change, and it's not uncommon for someone to be eager for something one month yet not as eager a month or 3 later. I don't blame anyone at all and completely understand this so that's why I decided to change the way I was doing things here a bit, for both me and you guys as well...
now if I start getting a lot of interest in wood mods again I will still run a list for them, I mean I still am really, but because of the way I'm now doing the ultems a list just makes a bit less sense for those so I'm going to try it this way and see how it goes... many people want a mod when they want it, a really long list can be a big turn off, and what good is it if someone wants one now but don't want to get on a long list, many people on the list are keeping them from being interested, while maybe some people actually on the list aren't going to be able to follow through anyway, it's just self defeating in some ways.
a batch release sounds like a better idea to me... I mean it gives those who want one now an opportunity to try to get in on a batch now, if they get in great, they make a deposit and they get there mod built that month, if they don't then they are not chained down to getting a notice several months from now when they may no longer be as interested or eager or they may have just bought something else or may no longer be in a position to just spend that kind of money right then and there at that moment they pop up... I mean I think many of us have been there, we want something, we go down on a list hoping it don't take too long, then we wait so long yet when the time comes we're like crap, I really want it but the timing just sucks for me... I mean this is just normal for many I think....
I hated having to put people through the pressure of feeling like they made a commitment and I also hated feeling like I was having to chase people down and making them feel bad when they had to tell me the timing just sucks for them at the moment, this batch release way may work much better all around for both me and you guys as well I think.... people jump in when they are ready willing and able to do so, the longest you'll have to wait is about a month till the next batch if you decide you want one today.... hopefully it will be more of a win win type deal
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Hello again turbo. I talk to you but very rarely post here not to cloud the thread up. But do read every word in this thread. My 2 cents about the 200 mod for the rest of the world to think about. As far as batterie setup is concerned. I own a catfish lbc 200 lipo mod, and tmod 200 lipo mod but this mod is dual 18650 or a lipo that can be switched out. So for comparison nothing about the mods just the batterie. I much prefer the dual 18650 for the fact that i much prefer a mod that if its dead you can put new batteries in it and your vaping again over a mod with a lipo that is dead and staying dead with out 2 hours of charging. Ever sence lipos every one is all about lipo, lipo, lipo, to me i would rather carry around extra batteries then have to carry around multiple lipo mods. I vape att 95-100 watts on a dna 200. If i vape lower i wont have a 200 in my hand so if im going to have a 200 in my hand i need something that is either a huge mod with a hige lipo or 18650 swappable to last the day. To me a 1300 mwaah lipo dna 200 last from 5am when i wake up untill about 1pm. Dual 186500 i use 3 sets through out the day the whole day 5 am to 10pm. Im a fedex driver and vape alot. Only thing that saves me with a lipo is i can plug it in in my work truck which is annoying. If i have a day off and go hiking or what ever consider the lipo mod useless and stays home. I hear people say all the time well a lipo last longer in reality a lipo last a little tiny bit longer then dual 18650 because you can vape it till less batterie life but still doesnt do any good when its dead and you cant swap out the cell. To me your originauly over and under design 200 is perfect solves all the problems in a 200 makes it as small as possible for a 200 dual 18650 squonk, performs rock solid with your contact set up, can change the cells instead of being dead in the water with a lipo mod. Looks sick, and made out of ultem would be a bullet proof design. I have wanted that design sence day one but not in wood because it will be destroyed very quickly. You are one of if not the most o.c.d mod maker i have ever seen thinking of and correcting every aspect you have a problem with. Going to the point of remaking all those face plates says it all right there my freind. Which i say your are o.c.d in a good way. Many want a lipo mod for what reason i dont understand. Saidly it will kill me wanting one if you do go the lipo route my freind unless the lipo is hot swappable. Let me say this is only intended to be a discussion on lipo versus dual 186500 for the 200 mod when it gets made. Seems we just got to a point were you are asking what the generall public here wants in the 200 and this is my personaul opinion only on the subject
Many want a lipo because they don't want the burden of carrying around a bunch of extra batteries. By your own admission, you would only have to carry 1 extra lipo around for the day as opposed to an extra 4 18650's... A lipo is easier to carry around and is less bulky. Then again, its my understanding that most people vaping a regulated device aren't even vaping over 40w anyway, so their lipo's are lasting almost an entire day...
If you can plug your device into you're truck, why are you even carrying extra batteries around? Shouldn't you're device be charged up all day if you're plugging it in? Just an observation!!
If you can plug your device into you're truck, why are you even carrying extra batteries around? Shouldn't you're device be charged up all day if you're plugging it in? Just an observation!!
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The LBC isn't a pass through device. I also agree that 2 18650's beat a lipo every time. I have 2 LBC's and 1 dual 18650 I believe that Turbo's dual design is tops. Anything that has to be plugged in is a PITA.
guys honestly I personally like my own dual 18650 design a whole lot, when the dna200 came out I was instantly in love with everything about the chip, it was the future and it was obvious from day one to me, but the one thing I did hate about it was the multi cell requirement.
I was determined to use this chip in a bottom feeder and I did run out and buy a whole bunch of different lipo cells in all different sizes and configurations just for my own research and to try to come up with the best way to use the 200 in a bottom feeder yet still keep the size manageable. I have built and tested a whole bunch of different configurations myself, some of them very small even. I probably have showed a few of these designs here and there but none just ever hit me as being an awesome and best solution as a regular every day carry, until I finally came up with my over and under design...
I built it and I tested it and to me it was friggin awesome, for a minute there I actually thought it was so awesome that it's gonna revolutionize the squonk industry and it's gonna even get ripped off, but then to be honest it just really didn't develop a whole lot of traction and I have only sold a small handful of them, never received much feedback on them and demand was just really low... now to me it was a sick design, but then the 75's came out.... and honestly I eventually got to the point where instead of having to just carry one of my over and under I could instead just carry 2 of my own 75 mods, so for me personally being a lower wattage vapor it was an ok replacement.
I've always carried 2 mods as my edc, until the over and under... that was/is the only mod that for me is one mod can that can actually replace having to carry 2...
now lets face facts... the LBC to me is an awesome mod, I think tom did an incredible job with it's design and orchestrating putting it all together and it's at a really great price point too, my over and under as awesome as I though it was or is, it is also a very expensive complicated mod to build and I was forced to have them start at over $500 just to not actually loose money making them. the LBC has been much more successful for tom than my over and under ever was for me. personally I think it's a great mod with great bang for the buck and in many ways it's obvious to me why. I would have no problem recommending it to anyone even though I haven't had the opportunity to own one yet, I do want one eventually for myself. I would never say my mod is better overall, there are some things that I think are better about mine and some things that I think are better about his.
I haven't changed my mind now and do still think the O&A design is as great a design as I originally thought it was, but then again I gotta just look at being practical too. obviously I choose dual 18650 over lipo because to me I thought it was better... I still do think it is in many ways but again, gotta be practical, what good is building a mod that I think is awesome and revolutionary if hardly anyone else even feels the same.... I can build a mod for myself that winds up costing me way more than anyone would ever spend on a mod, I've done it before and I'm sure I''ll do it again.... you guys may think i'm exaggerating when I say that a one-off mod can cost thousands to develop and build but I'm not... I've done it, but I can't decide to just continue with something that demand is just so low for so it's either I stick to my guns and keep promoting it and hope that it eventually sticks and gets the recognition it deserves or I just abandon it for more conventional stuff.... I gotta make a living so I choose to go with more conventional at this point
I really think that the dna60 is going to be the new hot ticket and I think for me it's a worth while tradeoff to carry 2 dna60's instead of one of my O&A mods but I'm a low watt vapor myself so the 200 vs 60 is not so significant to me. part of me still loves the O&A and part of me wishes that it made more sense to actually build a new ultem version of it but guys I just can't afford to at this point is the real truth.... I need to build a successful mod not just something I think is awesome, they are really not always one and the same.... especially when my awesome design is just so foreign and goes so far against virtually all other conventional mod design which kinda makes it very risky for someone to take a chance with it, especially when it's a very friggin expensive mod on top of that.... I thought it was awesome enough for me to invest a few thousand bucks to build the original one for myself but I don't think it's the smart move to do it again in ultem from a business point of view really at this point... it might wind up being the best mod I ever had, but I have bills to pay and a family to support so that can't really be my only priority
if I ever can afford to fully develop my over and under design as an ultem mod believe me I would still do it, just not seeing that being too likely anywhere in the immediate future tbh... anyone want to spend a few thousand bucks for one? no? didn't think so
I was determined to use this chip in a bottom feeder and I did run out and buy a whole bunch of different lipo cells in all different sizes and configurations just for my own research and to try to come up with the best way to use the 200 in a bottom feeder yet still keep the size manageable. I have built and tested a whole bunch of different configurations myself, some of them very small even. I probably have showed a few of these designs here and there but none just ever hit me as being an awesome and best solution as a regular every day carry, until I finally came up with my over and under design...
I built it and I tested it and to me it was friggin awesome, for a minute there I actually thought it was so awesome that it's gonna revolutionize the squonk industry and it's gonna even get ripped off, but then to be honest it just really didn't develop a whole lot of traction and I have only sold a small handful of them, never received much feedback on them and demand was just really low... now to me it was a sick design, but then the 75's came out.... and honestly I eventually got to the point where instead of having to just carry one of my over and under I could instead just carry 2 of my own 75 mods, so for me personally being a lower wattage vapor it was an ok replacement.
I've always carried 2 mods as my edc, until the over and under... that was/is the only mod that for me is one mod can that can actually replace having to carry 2...
now lets face facts... the LBC to me is an awesome mod, I think tom did an incredible job with it's design and orchestrating putting it all together and it's at a really great price point too, my over and under as awesome as I though it was or is, it is also a very expensive complicated mod to build and I was forced to have them start at over $500 just to not actually loose money making them. the LBC has been much more successful for tom than my over and under ever was for me. personally I think it's a great mod with great bang for the buck and in many ways it's obvious to me why. I would have no problem recommending it to anyone even though I haven't had the opportunity to own one yet, I do want one eventually for myself. I would never say my mod is better overall, there are some things that I think are better about mine and some things that I think are better about his.
I haven't changed my mind now and do still think the O&A design is as great a design as I originally thought it was, but then again I gotta just look at being practical too. obviously I choose dual 18650 over lipo because to me I thought it was better... I still do think it is in many ways but again, gotta be practical, what good is building a mod that I think is awesome and revolutionary if hardly anyone else even feels the same.... I can build a mod for myself that winds up costing me way more than anyone would ever spend on a mod, I've done it before and I'm sure I''ll do it again.... you guys may think i'm exaggerating when I say that a one-off mod can cost thousands to develop and build but I'm not... I've done it, but I can't decide to just continue with something that demand is just so low for so it's either I stick to my guns and keep promoting it and hope that it eventually sticks and gets the recognition it deserves or I just abandon it for more conventional stuff.... I gotta make a living so I choose to go with more conventional at this point
I really think that the dna60 is going to be the new hot ticket and I think for me it's a worth while tradeoff to carry 2 dna60's instead of one of my O&A mods but I'm a low watt vapor myself so the 200 vs 60 is not so significant to me. part of me still loves the O&A and part of me wishes that it made more sense to actually build a new ultem version of it but guys I just can't afford to at this point is the real truth.... I need to build a successful mod not just something I think is awesome, they are really not always one and the same.... especially when my awesome design is just so foreign and goes so far against virtually all other conventional mod design which kinda makes it very risky for someone to take a chance with it, especially when it's a very friggin expensive mod on top of that.... I thought it was awesome enough for me to invest a few thousand bucks to build the original one for myself but I don't think it's the smart move to do it again in ultem from a business point of view really at this point... it might wind up being the best mod I ever had, but I have bills to pay and a family to support so that can't really be my only priority
if I ever can afford to fully develop my over and under design as an ultem mod believe me I would still do it, just not seeing that being too likely anywhere in the immediate future tbh... anyone want to spend a few thousand bucks for one? no? didn't think so
oh and just to clarify, some may say well how does it cost me a few thousand bucks, it's just a piece of wood and a $50 chip... well as a business man I have to realize that time is money, if I spend 150 hours developing something then yes it cost me thousands, thousands that I could have otherwise made doing something productive making money instead of tinkering, how much would you charge someone to spend 3 weeks working on something? I didn't pay anyone else a few thousand bucks but it still cost me that when you factor that time is money....
Time is money for sure my freind. I build custom cabinetry and other wood items not ... a profeesion but they get sold and i have to count my time as money and lots of the time cant sell things for what they are worth if you count, time, and materials i actual loose money in the grand total. Building custom one off things is very hard to do and make money i know that for sure. Everything i every make is one of a kind.
One thing i dont understand my freind is why cant that same wood design for the over and under be applied to being made out a different matterial. The desing its self is allready a finished product. Can you explain it to a person who has no clue how to build a mod
One thing i dont understand my freind is why cant that same wood design for the over and under be applied to being made out a different matterial. The desing its self is allready a finished product. Can you explain it to a person who has no clue how to build a mod
I believe I explained this to someone who asked about pass through here before, may have even been you. for something to be considered a true pass through design then it would need to be supplied with enough power to vape directly from the power supply feeding it, completely independent of the on board battery.
technically no DNA mod is a true pass through because it's only being charged with one or 2 amps tops, but that doesn't mean that you can't just continue to vape it while it is charging. you can just leave it plugged in and charging and then still vape it while doing so, but this is really not technically a pass through because when you do vape it it momentarily pauses the charge cycle, vapes through the battery, then resumes charging. acts like a pass through I guess but really not a true pass through...
now toms mod is exactly the same chip so as far as I know you can def do the same thing, UNLESS tom has some other reason for advising against this, so I don't want to be the last word on this here about his mod, I shouldn't answer for his mod really but as far as I'm concerned I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be exactly the same as mine in that regard unless he told you not to, if that's the case then listen to him, not me
technically no DNA mod is a true pass through because it's only being charged with one or 2 amps tops, but that doesn't mean that you can't just continue to vape it while it is charging. you can just leave it plugged in and charging and then still vape it while doing so, but this is really not technically a pass through because when you do vape it it momentarily pauses the charge cycle, vapes through the battery, then resumes charging. acts like a pass through I guess but really not a true pass through...
now toms mod is exactly the same chip so as far as I know you can def do the same thing, UNLESS tom has some other reason for advising against this, so I don't want to be the last word on this here about his mod, I shouldn't answer for his mod really but as far as I'm concerned I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be exactly the same as mine in that regard unless he told you not to, if that's the case then listen to him, not me
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there are several reasons, one is because the material needs to be slightly over an inch thick meaning having to go to the next size raw material blank increasing the material cost by over 25%, but another even bigger one is my O&A design requires a fairly large 5/8" bore that goes from the bottom of the mod all the way to the top of the mod right under the 510 and the way I do this would never work with a material as hard as ultem, it's actually very difficult to even do it in wood. need to use a special forstner bit with an extension shaft which would never work in ultem, and there are also a few other operations that need to be done by hand on my wood version that would just be extremely difficult in ultem so basically the design would need to be modified and a new procedure developed to bore a 5/8 hole in ultem almost 4" deep, or to modify the design to eliminate that need in the first place would probably be more practical. extremely deep bores in very tough material can be pretty challenging
delrin would probably be doable, would probably be very much like doing a wood one actually. the issue of still needing a 1 1/4" thick piece to start with is still there though, industrial plastic suppliers don't really sell very small pieces but a 12" X 12" minimum piece should be attainable for similar to the price of a really nice stab wood block I guess, but of course it would yield several mods too, so the material costs wouldn't be so high on a per mod basis...
if a few guys wanted that mod in the same color delrin then it would be doable and would cost similar to doing it in a basic wood, all of my tooling and procedures would be doable with delrin...
if a few guys wanted that mod in the same color delrin then it would be doable and would cost similar to doing it in a basic wood, all of my tooling and procedures would be doable with delrin...
I think the over under design is brilliant. I am designing a squonker with a SX550 J chip. Trying to put the chip on the side of the like your ultem mod it would be very wide. That is why I think it would work better with a over under. I can place the chip front side(opposite side of the battery door) and with out increasing the bulk that much.
One question is I know that you used silicon tubing to connect to 510 to the bottle do you know where I can get that?
One question is I know that you used silicon tubing to connect to 510 to the bottle do you know where I can get that?
2mm ID x 4mm OD Food Grade Flexible Hose Silicone Tubing Tube 2Meter https://www.amazon.com/dp/B012T3HAG2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_8iedkXuaD347E
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I search the forums and found this is there a difference? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FMWTN...olid=3SLF3T23F2P7S&coliid=IB8L23E7UAFER&psc=1
Edit its not Food grade.
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