juice and all it's components are the main target, the only approved system will be sealed, 2ml containers taxed and regulated as a pack of cigarettes!
FDA TVECA post table of contents for Deeming Final Rule
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News Flash:
It Ain't over Yet. Nothing is Finalized. And there are Many People, who might not be seen, who are Fighting Very Hard on Many Different Fronts. And on some Very High Levels.
Is it going to Come Out all Rainbows and Unicorns with some White Night saving the Day? No it Isn't. But is All Lost? No. Gains can still be Made.
But when People Give Up, and Resolve themselves to Take what someone like the FDA is Willing to give Us, that is when it is Too Late.
zoiDman I can only hope you are right. I have done what was asked and will call tomorrow and had planned too. It is just upsetting that this is a issue still. We heard about this a couple years ago did we not?
Flavoring for DYI will always be available as its used for food. Nicotine I am sure will be gouged pretty bad. Beats smoking I will buy it either way.juice and all it's components are the main target, the only approved system will be sealed, 2ml containers taxed and regulated as a pack of cigarettes!
I will try to do my part, but given the state of govt. right now, and the power of BT that will see their Vuze and Blu immediately approved... sigh!
Here are mine:
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The flavoring companies are already being pressured to stop selling vape related products by their insurance companies.
All kinds of DIY candy making stuff out there,might have to start thinking outside the box
If you can Run, then you Run. If you Can't, then you Walk. If you Can't Walk, then you Crawl. And if you Can't Even Crawl, then you Get Someone to Carry you. But Giving Up just Isn't an Option.
Hey I'm pretty Upset over all this Also. And I feel like Someone just Kicked me in the Stomach. But I'm going to make this as Hard for the FDA and the e-Cigarette Haters as I can.
Make the Call Tomorrow. And Tell Your Friends and Family to Do the Same. You feel better after you do. I Guarantee it.
Hence my McCormick moonshine and lozenge comment!All kinds of DIY candy making stuff out there,might have to start thinking outside the box
Me too.
Heck, I sent them another one...
Your message for "Support H.R. 2058 which would change the grandfather date for newly deemed tobacco products" was sent on 10/28/2015 02:14 AM to the following recipients: President Barack Obama (D-), Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Rep. Mimi Walters (R-CA).
As you've seen in this thread, people from many countries are worried about what happen here will impact their countries. I remember how enraged I was when I first heard about the FDA's plans and what was going on in other countries. Our only hope is that real science will win out over government greed in the long run. Hang in there, my friend.
Just know that many of us non-EU citizens tried as hard as we could to help you guys when the BS came down. It was horrible to watch. First you guys thought you won, then went down in flames. There is no way around it, these laws murder people.Just to complete the scenery, here in Spain we're trying to counteract a draft of regulation which, over all the facts correctly stated by cllmda, it dares to ban all publicity-related activities of vaping. In a surprising and disturbing twist, Spanish regulators have proposed to ban public meetings and hangouts of vapers, any kind of publicity and marketing related to vaping in any media, and any kind of defence of vaping (as it were a criminal offense), effectively going far beyond today and future regulations for tobacco. It carries us back in time to darker times of dictatorial regimes. All for the allegedly sake of public health, as if they were fully convinced that vaping is far worse than smoking.
We've been astonished by this, specially as it is running up in parallel with recent news about British and French proposals to alleviate the expected punishment over vaping industry which comes from the EU directives, as they are starting to consider vaping a valid smoking-cessation strategy and are likely bound to prescribe e-cigs to heavy-tainted smokers who cannot get out of the tobacco by any other means.
It is happening, and it has several shades according to the level of protection of each ruler over the tobacco industry, or, if you like to say so, the pressure applied by lobbies here and there, Big Tobacco and Health Industry related. It's like they have surmised that the last train to stop the vaping industry and the constant leak of smokers to vaping is now, and they are rising the stakes at their maximum. Because of that, every regulatory proposal has some minimal grounds which effectively kill the vaping industry and leaves us, the vapers, with a grim future, and smokers with one even darker.
Because of the last paragraph stated, it is also some criminal attack over 'we, the people', in whichever country it is happening. It's a global dilemma, in the short time, comparable to the global warming as it renders a heavy death toll if we (as active vapers today) and the civil society (as the ultimate interested in avoid that toll) do not do anything, exactly as the global warming could do in the next decades.
But, for reasons I cannot fully understand, we've got very little media impact, and even in our ranks we are not able to move them..... Recent WHO statements about processed meats do have it though....Not so old biased and gutter press releases had it.......
A mighty congratulations on your first year vaperversary!
Do not give up, you likely have at least two years to prepare. Do what you must to prepare yourself and if you have anything left over, make a stash to help someone who wants to quit in the future.Me too.
Heck, I sent them another one...
Your message for "Support H.R. 2058 which would change the grandfather date for newly deemed tobacco products" was sent on 10/28/2015 02:14 AM to the following recipients: President Barack Obama (D-), Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA), Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-CA), Rep. Mimi Walters (R-CA).
Right On Kat.
This forum has over 230,000 Members. Think what it would be like if Everyone did what you Did?
I think it has been tried--can't swear that it's true, but there have been rumors that the Prez has been given several starter kits.
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/obamas-still-smoking.74478/#post-1103769
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