Whatever you're drinking, please give me some.
Hi night Birdie!I did. And now I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!
But the Active membership is only about a tenth of that and only about 2% care. That may change soon. The petition (see link in footer) has been moving briskly today. We're at 41,189 signers right now and looking for way more. Not bad for word of mouth though.
Look at those pretty Vuze commercials... so many wonderful flavors...
The EPA allows Fracking(secret additives) so why not the FDA?
Well if you want to go thereAwesome post of data!
Follow the Smell of Money...
This is the same FDA that doesn't protect us from food mislabeling i.e "artificial and natural flavoring" loop holes, chinese chicken processing etc. For that matter actual tobacco leaf products of which 14 year olds are allowed to harvest without protective gear and wind up suffering from nicotine poisoning. This actually happens in the U.S.A and is a dirty secret of the USDA Agriculture system thanks to profits for "Big Tobacco".
Nicotine does not have to be specifically derived from tobacco. It comes from the nightshade Family.
If you study the pharmacology it seems closer to mood stabilizers, metabolic supplements and caffeine.
We do not see the FDA banning "redbull" sale to minors or caffeine and in fact some people give it 5 year olds.. WTH?
Oh yeah Big Soda owns that...
If you want to talk Big money, Just ask anyone who works in the Healthcare Industry of which is the most important.
Healing People or Determining what is Billable?
All these Forces in place have finally become so powerful that despite the mass consensus want for better health and the technology to do so exists cost effectively, we choose to go the route that is the most detrimental route possible by using regulation once again to profit GREEDY CORPORATIONS off the death of the corporate slaves!
The Vaping community has shown in the last few years how a true "free market" without much regulation has vastly and quickly improved technology. Some Juice makers are even testing their own supplies for chemical anomalies and purity. Others are setting up scientific production lines etc. Temperature control shows great promise to safely and consistently use vaping. Designs approaches are all communally learning to improve.
You can actually buy sub-ohm equipment and Vg juice locally at my walgreens.
Yet the FDA needs to protect the profits of a dynasty industry built from slavery 300 years ago.(Big Tobacco)
The scariest thing to me in all of this is that we may only be able to buy supplies of Nicotine Juice from "Big Tobacco" with all their secret "proprietary additives".
We are totally FRACKED!
Ooh oooh that smell...
, supplements send 23,000 Americans a year to the emergency room. Look at the history of Chantix, that will make you vomit. Check out kids and laundry pods (hint, they die). No new sunscreens approved in something like ten years but the ones we use are poisoning the ocean... List goes on.
41,193Whatever you're drinking, please give me some.
Hi night Birdie!
But the Active membership is only about a tenth of that and only about 2% care. That may change soon. The petition (see link in footer) has been moving briskly today. We're at 41,189 signers right now and looking for way more. Not bad for word of mouth though.
There is no sensationalism or paranoia about it. Indiana has already passed these things. It already law there.
To be fare to the vendors this legislation was going to happen no mater who was against it.
I don't believe its the FDA's intent to harass DYI'ers initially. By not going right after DYI it gives them leeway to
...just the wrong kind.And while you're there please follow the link to make sure you're registered to vote. Politicians love their money but they love their votes too and if you're registered your voice WILL carry more weight in that arena.Everyone who's reading this thread - make sure you go to the casaa Call to Action
Imma bet they were more than just notified from knowing your special way with words here on ECFPresident Barack Obama (D-), Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-MD), Sen. Benjamin Cardin (D-MD), Rep. John Delaney (D-MD)
Notified of my Position.
Let's hope Mom & Pop are in the process of becoming the flavor shop, at this very minute. At the least we have two years and that is a long time for people to stock up and find many work-arounds...I have no doubt that a community as large as this one is will have a plan b, c & d two years from now.
Your post brought tears to my eyes. Maybe there is a way you could ask your cardiologist to use your case as an example of a vaping success story, since he is a prominent member of the American Heart Association his opinion and observations may have weight here in the US? Just a thought.
Anyone who is looking into DIY as a result of this should really do lots of research and due diligence on their choice of nic supplier. I specifically stay away from Nude due to the issues last year and again recently with their nic levels not being accurate. This new situation is scary and emotions are very high, while NN may be a great nic supplier for experienced DIY folks who test their nic levels or know what to expect from experience, I feel like it's especially important for anyone new to DIY to be encouraged to research and make an educated decision, rather than just shoot off the emotional hip in choosing who they buy their nic from. To me it's an important decision and it really will effect how well your DIY juice suits your tastes and expectations in the end. It would suck to get two years down the road and have nic you hate as your only available option. Sadly, what you put in your freezer today may be just that in two years. /soapbox off
Nice to see the Spanish Inquisition is still alive and well, even if on a different persuit. This is some scary stuff from Egypt to all of Europe to the entire world. Big Tobacco and Big Pharma both have A LOT to lose in this fight. I just hope our fight isn't over before it's barely begun. It appears we have one day from the time thisJust to complete the scenery, here in Spain we're trying to counteract a draft of regulation which, over all the facts correctly stated by cllmda, it dares to ban all publicity-related activities of vaping. In a surprising and disturbing twist, Spanish regulators have proposed to ban public meetings and hangouts of vapers, any kind of publicity and marketing related to vaping in any media, and any kind of defence of vaping (as it were a criminal offense), effectively going far beyond today and future regulations for tobacco. It carries us back in time to darker times of dictatorial regimes. All for the allegedly sake of public health, as if they were fully convinced that vaping is far worse than smoking.
We've been astonished by this, specially as it is running up in parallel with recent news about British and French proposals to alleviate the expected punishment over vaping industry which comes from the EU directives, as they are starting to consider vaping a valid smoking-cessation strategy and are likely bound to prescribe e-cigs to heavy-tainted smokers who cannot get out of the tobacco by any other means.
It is happening, and it has several shades according to the level of protection of each ruler over the tobacco industry, or, if you like to say so, the pressure applied by lobbies here and there, Big Tobacco and Health Industry related. It's like they have surmised that the last train to stop the vaping industry and the constant leak of smokers to vaping is now, and they are rising the stakes at their maximum. Because of that, every regulatory proposal has some minimal grounds which effectively kill the vaping industry and leaves us, the vapers, with a grim future, and smokers with one even darker.
Because of the last paragraph stated, it is also some criminal attack over 'we, the people', in whichever country it is happening. It's a global dilemma, in the short time, comparable to the global warming as it renders a heavy death toll if we (as active vapers today) and the civil society (as the ultimate interested in avoid that toll) do not do anything, exactly as the global warming could do in the next decades.
But, for reasons I cannot fully understand, we've got very little media impact, and even in our ranks we are not able to move them..... Recent WHO statements about processed meats do have it though....Not so old biased and gutter press releases had it.......
crap hit the fan to an Executive decision? If that's the case I would say it wasn't unintentional, but is it really the case? and sending some 
messages his way following said calls 
