U.S. Ad Campaign Challenge Value of E-Cigs in Quitting Smoking

[NorthOfAtlanta]

Seems to me that the more they piss off vapers, the closer they come to being exposed to all and sundry!

Andria

Something I've thought for a long time, the FDA, BP, CDC and their alphabet group minions will rue the day they started the war on e-cigarettes as they have created a large group of people that now believe nothing they say without firm proof. I mean look at salt, natural fats and cholesterol and how far they've backed off there. I personally think the incestuous relationship between BP and the others must be broken before we will get any truth out of them.

At that point we won't be told there's a pill for that for every "new" disease BP "finds".

 

[Robino1]

Something I've thought for a long time, the FDA, BP, CDC and their alphabet group minions will rue the day they started the war on e-cigarettes as they have created a large group of people that now believe nothing they say without firm proof. I mean look at salt, natural fats and cholesterol and how far they've backed off there. I personally think the incestuous relationship between BP and the others must be broken before we will get any truth out of them.

At that point we won't be told there's a pill for that for every "new" disease BP "finds".

And just maybe, maybe, the cure for cancer will actually be found instead of just treated with medications that cost people a fortune yet line the alphabet soup organizations pockets.

Good god! What have they made me? Am I that cynical? Yes, yes I am.

 

[philoshop]

Anger and cynicism can be good motivators.

The pharmaceutical industry is in the business of treating disease. Ethical considerations aside, it's not in their best business interest to actually cure people.
When the most basic human condition was allowed to be considered disease it was inevitable that we would end up with this 'pill-for-everything' situation.
"Of course it's necessary to use our product. You're alive aren't you."

And then that industry found it was possible to manipulate a government that was more than happy to be manipulated, and to have their views become law. The insurance industry saw where that train was headed and climbed on board, and the government upped the ante by declaring that it was illegal to be uninsured. The next stop on this ride could very well be "the unlawful non-use of pharmaceuticals". Or more simply, "live exactly the way we want you to live or you'll go to jail".

I'm not against the pharmaceutical industry per se, as they do a tremendous amount of good. But I am against a government that will stand by and essentially allow that industry to rule my life.
Cynical? Maybe. Angry? You betcha!

 

[caramel]

And just maybe, maybe, the cure for cancer will actually be found instead of just treated with medications that cost people a fortune yet line the alphabet soup organizations pockets.

Good god! What have they made me? Am I that cynical? Yes, yes I am.

Didn't Dr. Antz find that smoking is what causes cancer and the cure is taxes and banning smoking in public spaces?

 

[Nicot]

Makes you wonder if Dr. Antz and his friends don't get some extra spending money from someplace other than their day jobs.

 

[AndriaD]

Anger and cynicism can be good motivators.

The pharmaceutical industry is in the business of treating disease. Ethical considerations aside, it's not in their best business interest to actually cure people.
When the most basic human condition was allowed to be considered disease it was inevitable that we would end up with this 'pill-for-everything' situation.

I've been saying this about doctors for YEARS... they're allopaths, they treat disease rather than encouraging health, because it's not in their financial interest for people to be healthy -- a doctor would never tell you to take ginger for nausea, but they'd give you all sorts of prescriptions for anti-emetics... which cause some other problem, so they don't lose a customer. Actually I've seen the "no smoking" trend as a move in the right direction towards encouraging health rather than treating disease, except they've gone too far, and now treat SMOKING *as if it's a disease* rather than a) a lifestyle choice or b) an addiction from which it's nearly impossible to break free -- until e-cigs. Now, it's totally stupid to continue treating "smoking" as a disease, when it can be so easily "cured" just by switching to e-cigs. Bye-bye, cash flow. I'm sorry they're so discountenanced by the non-medical cure, but their cashflow ain't my problem and I refuse to let them MAKE it my problem!

And then that industry found it was possible to manipulate a government that was more than happy to be manipulated, and to have their views become law. The insurance industry saw where that train was headed and climbed on board, and the government upped the ante by declaring that it was illegal to be uninsured. The next stop on this ride could very well be "the unlawful non-use of pharmaceuticals". Or more simply, "live exactly the way we want you to live or you'll go to jail".

I nearly came to blows with one of my son's teachers, who just would NOT shut up about him needing "ritalin" or something of that ilk -- he suffered terribly with ADD, but never ADHD, he was never disruptive, just quietly off-task. I told her straight out that I would NEVER consent to drug my square peg to fit their round hole! He's sharp as a tack, he just didn't take to "busy work" to suit his teachers, who have to teach so many 'average' kids, they give busy work just so the kids can have some good grades on the books, to offset their lousy test scores!

Cynical? Maybe. Angry? You betcha!

I'm not cynical; I fully expect anyone with a financial stake to try and defend their stake, but they should do it HONESTLY, with something approaching ETHICS. And yeah, I'm mad as hell that they're all so dishonest and unethical that they'd rather make money selling snake oil than embrace something that ACTUALLY WORKS.

Andria

 

[philoshop]

Little Billy and little Susie have to take this pill to stay in the public school system or you will be charged with "unlawful non-use of pharmaceuticals".
It's 'for the children'.

 

[caramel]

Little Billy and little Susie have to take this pill to stay in the public school system or you will be charged with "unlawful non-use of pharmaceuticals".
It's 'for the children'.

 

[philoshop]

Something I've thought for a long time, the FDA, BP, CDC and their alphabet group minions will rue the day they started the war on e-cigarettes as they have created a large group of people that now believe nothing they say without firm proof. I mean look at salt, natural fats and cholesterol and how far they've backed off there. I personally think the incestuous relationship between BP and the others must be broken before we will get any truth out of them.

At that point we won't be told there's a pill for that for every "new" disease BP "finds".

From what I've seen and read in my short time on this site the 'powers that be' have picked a fight with an intelligent and motivated group of folks who won't be bullied or cajoled. The steamroller effect isn't working, and there will be repercussions in the end.
It's a broken system and I don't know how to fix it. I do know how to point towards some of the broken parts though.

 

[AndriaD]

From what I've seen and read in my short time on this site the 'powers that be' have picked a fight with an intelligent and motivated group of folks who won't be bullied or cajoled. The steamroller effect isn't working, and there will be repercussions in the end.
It's a broken system and I don't know how to fix it. I do know how to point towards some of the broken parts though.

Heh.. we were intelligent and motivated enough to quit smoking using this wonderful technology. If we can do THAT (quit smoking!), a few overpaid stuffed shirts better look out, with all their lying and greed.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

Didja ever notice how, with those up-swooped sides, she's got a real Bride of Frankenstein thing going on?

Andria

 

[uab9253]

I had my one week w/o cigarettes day yesterday, and one of my co-workers said it doesn't count because I'm vaping and that's still "smoking" She said she's seen the smoke. I had to shut down for fear that I might strangle her!

And yes, I used both for about 6 months or more.

 

[AndriaD]

I had my one week w/o cigarettes day yesterday, and one of my co-workers said it doesn't count because I'm vaping and that's still "smoking" She said she's seen the smoke. I had to shut down for fear that I might strangle her!

And yes, I used both for about 6 months or more.

Pay no attention to the ignorant who can't tell the diff between vapor and smoke... apparently when they see "smoke" their brains supply the "smoke smell" even when it's not there.

Congratz on the week!!!

Andria

 

[pennysmalls]

I had my one week w/o cigarettes day yesterday, and one of my co-workers said it doesn't count because I'm vaping and that's still "smoking" She said she's seen the smoke. I had to shut down for fear that I might strangle her!

And yes, I used both for about 6 months or more.

She's sounds like one of those people who enjoy's raining on other people's parade's, never any fun and always negative. Don't let her drag you down. Here's to many more weeks being smoke free.

 

[OCD]

Just wondering out loud here.

On the still blowing smoke campaign I just saw the google ad when doing a search using the term vaping and wondered if we should not form an effort to click on those ads? The thought here is the ad only pays google if it is clicked on so lets give it the clicks it needs to use up that $75,000,000

 

[DrMA]

Just wondering out loud here.

On the still blowing smoke campaign I just saw the google ad when doing a search using the term vaping and wondered if we should not form an effort to click on those ads? The thought here is the ad only pays google if it is clicked on so lets give it the clicks it needs to use up that $75,000,000

LOL brilliant in theory, but that would take an awful lot of clicks.





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BTW, Andria, love the new avatar picture with the #BigVapor logo in the corner

 

[AndriaD]

LOL brilliant in theory, but that would take an awful lot of clicks.





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BTW, Andria, love the new avatar picture with the #BigVapor logo in the corner

Thx! It's on my twitter pic too, but it's really hard to see in the tiny pics that show up on tweets. Maybe I need a diff color for that one, the red just kinda blends in with my hair.

I just had to add something on my site about this Big Vapor nonsense -- Who Is Big Vapor? -- at the bottom of it, I included the links for the twitter tags #notblowingsmoke and #BigVapor -- gotta do what I can for Big Vapor, they pay so well -- with better health!

Big Vapor Andria

 

[OCD]

LOL brilliant in theory, but that would take an awful lot of clicks.

Sure and of course using up the total amount would probably never happen simply because they have surely set a budget with google to only pay for so many clicks. If the idea could get traction and enough vapers kicked in a few clicks a day for a week it could easily cost them a ton of our tax money and possibly burn out their ads budget much faster than it just sitting there waiting for some unsuspecting potential new vaper to come along and be the first thing they find about vaping.

Think about it, if no self respecting vaper clicks the links the only traffic they get is just who they are targeting, the potential new vaper who knows nothing about their dangerously deceitful and lying ways. heck it surely has CDC, FDA and all kinds of other respectable public health organizations backing so it must be true. Every time a vaper clicks one of those google ads and uses that portion of the budget it is possibly saving one unsuspecting smoker who was just trying to find some information about vaping and that is the first thing that came up.

 

[Tache]

All of this continues to crystallize a concept I've had "fermenting" in the back of my mind for a while. The reason I believe that vaping will eventually prevail, where as smokers we were not able to hold off the "steamrollers", is the penetration of the internet and the ubiquity of social media channels. We can, do and continue to refute misinformation and share sources of well practiced scientific research along with reasoned critiques of illogical and/or poorly designed and executed research at every opportunity.

I see our passion and tenacity as having been strengthened by the years of unethical and unjust vilification. It has been sad and somewhat scary for me to realize that we cannot depend on public institutions to "do the right thing" and be objective evaluators to provide us with the information we need to make informed choices about anything. I'm thinking that the path to wisdom requires the loss (and grief for) naivety. It's exhausting to contemplate, but I now know that I cannot take anything at face value until I do the work to look at it from many angles and inform myself using multiple sources and methodology.

In a weird way the ANTZ have helped drive my personal growth and I think I'm a better member of society for it.

 

[caramel]

those up-swooped sides,

Hillary should try it