UK Regulation of E-Cigs - Petition

[freddo]

can someone post a set of links to all the relevant petitions so i can post it up on my forum. Would be very much appreciated.

Also might be useful to have a sticky thread:

How to help the UK bans

with a master list of links and things you can do to help

 

[deewal]

Great Video Scott. All the right points made. I don't want any other option except 3. Do Nothing. I've already had a Health Expert check the E-Cig. My Doctor. He say's it's doing me no harm at all and my health has improved greatly since i started using them. He has even cut back my medicine because my Blood Pressure has dropped significantly and i no longer need as much. These so called "authorities" should ask the Health and Medical Professionals before they make such ill judged decisions on a matter they know nothing about. My Doctor has gone ballistic about this.
He has not even been informed by the MHRA. He had to hear it from me.
That must tell us something when we know they are Not informing the Health Profession.

 

[tribalmasters]

If they ban my vapes I will stop vaping them but then those who want to give up now and in the future won't be able to use them

I signed both the petitions!

 

[Deschain]

Well said Tribal, I believe that everybody on this forum can source their gear without any problems should this ban happen, but the millions of potential users in the future will be the real losers.

The more I think about this ban, the more angry I get, so ill thought out, so irrational, so bloody stupid!


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[Caesarea]

can someone post a set of links to all the relevant petitions so i can post it up on my forum. Would be very much appreciated.

Also might be useful to have a sticky thread:

How to help the UK bans

with a master list of links and things you can do to help

In the thread below, SJ has listed the first petition and details of the MHRA consultation and response form. Stickied in both the subforum called Campaigning Discussions and in the General e-smoking discussion forum.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...cigs-petition-further-action.html#post1008645


UK - proposed regulation of e-cigs - petition - Further action....
Hello to all UK vapers.

The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has just published its consultation on the regulation of nicotine-containing products.

Despite the recent pledge by the National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence to support harm reduction as a strategy for reducing tobacco-related deaths, it seems that our method is not being included in that approach, at least in its current form.

Please take a few seconds to sign this petition and, perhaps more importantly, spend some time contributing to the MHRA consultation document here

The discussion thread on these developments can be found here: UK Regulation of E-Cigs - Petition

Other things you can do to help:

~ Write to your MP - WriteToThem - Email or fax your Councillor, MP, MEP, MSP or Welsh, NI, London Assembly Member for free


~ Pass on the news to any interested parties - friends, family, acquaintances, other forums, Twitter and Facebook friends etc. Ask them to support you by signing the petition or commenting - not over-emotionally- to the MHRA.

For full details, please see here: MLXs: Medicines consultation letters : MHRA
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Today the link to a second petition on the 10 Downing street site went up:-

A second UK Petition, on the No 10 site. Another UK petition is open, this time on the No 10 Downing Street site.

This is a rather brief, but entirely valid petition on the number 10 petition site.

You may also sign this one (British citizens only) and the URL is

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/ecigarettes/

When you have entered your details, you will receive an email with a link to click on to authenticate your signature (email can take 30mins to arrive) and then it is added. (can take another hour)

This petition is for British citizens and there is a drop down list for expats and other Brits currently out of the UK.
"If you're an expatriate, you're in an overseas territory, a Crown dependency or in the Armed Forces without a postcode, please select from this list: "

Hope this helps, Fred! You could ask Igetcha if he'd let you use the vid he just made on your site. AFAIK, most Brits here are sharing their efforts and pooling ideas.
This thread we are in now is a good one for adding any other ideas you may have.

Best,

C.

PS Fred, several UK suppliers have emailed their clients with info on these petition and consultation links, with an outline of the reasons for action.

 

[tribalmasters]

I had better start learning how to make delicious concoctions of zero nic juice that still hit!

 

[Caesarea]

I had better start learning how to make delicious concoctions of zero nic juice that still hit!

No getting out of it like that Tribal!
Better start crafting yr MHRA piece and emailing everyone who loves you so they can sign the petitions!





PS Deewal is right - doctors, nurses, dentists, social workers, vicars, none of them know about this - we need to tell them and give them the URLS via Skype or email so all they have to do is click on them.

 

[K.P.]

I would like to remind everyone of this article in New Scientist from last year

Electronic cigarettes: A safe substitute? - health - 11 February 2009 - New Scientist

Where Prof Peter Hajek goes on record with a common-sense approach to e-cigs:

"This sounds like caution beyond common sense," he says. Peter Hajek, a clinical psychologist and director of the Tobacco Dependence Research Unit at the Barts and London School of Medicine and Dentistry, UK, agrees. "Banning an alternative nicotine delivery device without any reason to believe that it has a potential for harm does not make much sense to me," he says. "It could have a role in harm reduction and smoking cessation and thus be of public health benefit."

After contacting (via webform and email) the MHRA and your MP, I would suggest sending Professor Hajek an email or snailmail. You can simply cut and paste your original submission to your MP or the MHRA and tack on an introduction paragraph for him along the lines of

"Right now people at the MHRA, LACORS, TSI, and CIEH are seeking to get e-cigs banned from public places or regulated out of existence. If you still believe as I do that e-cigs are a net gain for society, reducing the health impact of smoking tobacco then please contact those agencies and let them know e-cigs need to remain available, affordable, and usable for those who would like to choose a safer nicotine alternative. Here is my story [cut and paste]"

It doesn't have to be especially wordy, eloquent, long or full of detail. If enough people contact him to keep the issue on his radar he will know who to contact and what to say if he wants to stick his oar in.

His contact info is here
http://www.wolfson.qmul.ac.uk/psychology/staff/team/peter_hajek.html

 

[hifistud]

YouTube - E-Cigs Appeal

 

[deewal]

Here is another link for you. Take a good look and read very carefully and you will see why the MHRA are doing this. It's our old friendly Big Pharma.
They have Billions to errr "spend"
We no these things don't work but....................................?
They have just staked their claim and they want it all.

Nicotine replacement therapy - New extended indication and consultation - NeLM

 

[Denni]

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Today the link to a second petition on the 10 Downing street site went up:-

A second UK Petition, on the No 10 site. Another UK petition is open, this time on the No 10 Downing Street site.

This is a rather brief, but entirely valid petition on the number 10 petition site.

You may also sign this one (British citizens only) and the URL is

http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/ecigarettes/

When you have entered your details, you will receive an email with a link to click on to authenticate your signature (email can take 30mins to arrive) and then it is added. (can take another hour)

This petition is for British citizens and there is a drop down list for expats and other Brits currently out of the UK.
"If you're an expatriate, you're in an overseas territory, a Crown dependency or in the Armed Forces without a postcode, please select from this list: "

Hope this helps, Fred! You could ask Igetcha if he'd let you use the vid he just made on your site. AFAIK, most Brits here are sharing their efforts and pooling ideas.
This thread we are in now is a good one for adding any other ideas you may have.

Best,

C.

PS Fred, several UK suppliers have emailed their clients with info on these petition and consultation links, with an outline of the reasons for action.

That petition is open to UK citizens and residents. An important distinction: as an EU citizen resident in the UK, I'm eligible to sign petitions here!

I'm off to do that now

 

[Denni]

After contacting (via webform and email) the MHRA and your MP, I would suggest sending Professor Hajek an email or snailmail. You can simply cut and paste your original submission to your MP or the MHRA and tack on an introduction paragraph for him along the lines of

"Right now people at the MHRA, LACORS, TSI, and CIEH are seeking to get e-cigs banned from public places or regulated out of existence. If you still believe as I do that e-cigs are a net gain for society, reducing the health impact of smoking tobacco then please contact those agencies and let them know e-cigs need to remain available, affordable, and usable for those who would like to choose a safer nicotine alternative. Here is my story [cut and paste]"

It doesn't have to be especially wordy, eloquent, long or full of detail. If enough people contact him to keep the issue on his radar he will know who to contact and what to say if he wants to stick his oar in.

His contact info is here
SMD > Wolfson Institute of Preventive Medicine > EPM > Psychology > Staff > Professor Peter Hajek

Don't bombard the poor guy with mail! Seriously, what has he ever done to offend us?

If we want to keep specialists on our side, it's best to treat them politely. Who wants their inbox overflowing and their personal/business/student mail drowned out?

 

[Deschain]

YouTube - E-Cigs Appeal

Excelent, measured vid/appeal.


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[Lisaf01]

YouTube - E-Cigs Appeal

Fantastic appeal Dave!
I've posted it on the annoucement page on my site - thanks!

 

[mckenzie_boi]

Excellent vid, makes the point perfectly!

 

[westcoast2]

Good video igetcha.

Options 1 and 2 both lead to licensing as a mdicinal product. Option 2 still makes ejuice a 'medicine' although after a bit of time. It just delays option 1 which is what the MHRA & US FDA want and many oppose.

Option 3 on the consultation is misleading. It suggests that e-cigs are unregulated. E-cigs are regulated already as hifistud notes. The 'unregulated' here refers to 'unregulated as a medinal product'.

In the video you suggest this is a 'do nothing' option. Yes it is, but only so far as being a medicinal product is concerned.

At this stage, shouldn't option 3 be supported, with the suggestion that if further regulation is required it should be outside the medicinal franework?
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[igetcha]

Good video igetcha.

Options 1 and 2 both lead to licensing as a mdicinal product. Option 2 still makes ejuice a 'medicine' although after a bit of time. It just delays option 1 which is what the US FDA wants and many oppose.

Option 3 on the consultation is misleading. It suggests that e-cigs are unregulated. E-cigs are regulated already as hifistud notes. The 'unregulated' here refers to 'unregulated as a medinal product'.

In the video you suggest this is a 'do nothing' option. Yes it is, but only so far as being a medicinal product is concerned.

At this stage, shouldn't option 3 be supported, with the suggestion that if further regulation is required it should be outside the medicinal franework?
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hi mate,

i based my vid on the info ive read on the various forums and from the suppliers i have spoken to. all the suppliers who have contacted me suggested that option 3 is not an option and that option 2 is the one to aim for.
these guys have been in meetings / had conversations / written letters with the MHRA so i felt that they were the best people to take advise from when recording the video with regards to what info to include.

on a slightly positive note, a few suppliers have noted that the proposal from MHRA does not include or affect the importation of e-liquid. so they can set up shop in a e-cig friendly country and carry on selling to UK customers.............id imagine that postage costs would go up though!

cheers,

scott

 

[westcoast2]

i based my vid on the info ive read on the various forums and from the suppliers i have spoken to

Thank you for the explanation Scott. From an end customers POV what are we fighting for then, to take medicine? The US are fighting to stop the e-cig from being regulated by the FDA as a drug delivery device. By going for opt 2 arn't we just endorsing the FDA position?

on a slightly positive note, a few suppliers have noted that the proposal from MHRA does not include or affect the importation of e-liquid.

A ban on imports is mentioned in the consultation.

A potential risk is the sale of the NCPs from foreign market advertised on the internet as there are virtually no controls on importation for personal use and so it is not possible to prevent products advertised on non-UK websites being sold and supplied to the UK, unless we had a Banning Order in place.

I can understand why suplliers would go for opt 2 though.
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[tribalmasters]

Nice video igetcha!!!

 

[doin it for the kids]

Well, I've only been a member here for about a week, and vaping for about four weeks.

Doesn't look like anyone wants to make it easy for me to "do it for the kids" for much longer.
This is infuriating, I don't doubt that Nicorette with their now redundant 'inhalator' will be rubbing their hands at appropriating this technology and telling me how I should "reduce my nicotine levels in easy steps" and offering me tasteless, weak, 'minty' e liquid that costs an arm and a leg.

I don't want a pat on the back, or someone telling me "how great I'm doing" at stopping smoking - I entered into this with the mindset of "I haven't stopped smoking, I'm just doing it in a healthier way" - This being the point that all the patch and gum peddlers miss. Reverse psychology.

To be made to feel that you're "running out of time" when you're trying to stop smoking is just demoralising.

The thing is, I don't have a problem with trading standards or environmental health publishing guidelines, or visiting manufacturers -I mean, that's a selling point if you're running a professional outfit - but levying a charge on this as a medicinal product, whilst cigarettes are freely available as a recreational one, is just rank hypocrisy.