Update on where I am now (I put the cigarettes down)

[nicotineisbomb]

Yesterday I got a stomach virus, so far I haven't thrown up but I still have it and am 100% sure its due to me smoking and having a low immune system because of it. I got really sick this season, multiple viruses and this is the last one for the year I want to deal with... (fyi I never got sick before smoking, about once every year or two) I had like 4 viruses already this year. I'm currently using the juul device while I wait for my IQOS to come in the mail (a real tobacco device) I will then get the tobacco I stride for without effecting my immune system.

 

[redeuce]

Have you ever tried one?

 

[nicotineisbomb]

Have you ever tried one?

I've never tried the IQOS device, but from what I hear its EXACTLY like a cigarette...

 

[LillithRM]

Ermm - Its not unusual to get sick at first when you start vaping especially if you were a smoker - basically as a smoker moving to vaping (or even quitting everything altogether) your system goes into overdrive- there is damage to repaired and systems to be reset - even looking at traditional quit smoking sites many people complain - In either quitting or switching to vaping some people may have issues for 6 moths to a year

Keeping in mind traditional ciggies have up to 4000 chemicals - and IQOS is being sold as harm reduction mostly only bc they are heat not burn ....

Not a fan of the IQOS - I dont believe its harm reductive - but would suggest trying getting a proper not Juul tank and mod - and trying to diy - failing that- you could try WTA juice or salts or both or if not - Swedish not american snus might help - either or will probably be better in a harm reduction way then IQOS

 

[Frenchfry1942]

There is something to be said about attitude. Sure, the body will adjust, I just told all my organs to shut-up and get with the program.

Things went better after that.

 

[Asbestos4004]

 

[nicotineisbomb]

Ermm - Its not unusual to get sick at first when you start vaping especially if you were a smoker - basically as a smoker moving to vaping (or even quitting everything altogether) your system goes into overdrive- there is damage to repaired and systems to be reset - even looking at traditional quit smoking sites many people complain - In either quitting or switching to vaping some people may have issues for 6 moths to a year

Keeping in mind traditional ciggies have up to 4000 chemicals - and IQOS is being sold as harm reduction mostly only bc they are heat not burn ....

Not a fan of the IQOS - I dont believe its harm reductive - but would suggest trying getting a proper not Juul tank and mod - and trying to diy - failing that- you could try WTA juice or salts or both or if not - Swedish not american snus might help - either or will probably be better in a harm reduction way then IQOS

Its better than smoking tea cigarettes and combusting thousands of chemicals which is the other alternative I tried though..

 

[retired1]

I've never tried the IQOS device, but from what I hear its EXACTLY like a cigarette...

If it were exactly like a cigarette, there would be no way it would pass muster as a harm reduction device. While the iQOS does use tobacco, you are not going to get the exact same result as if you were smoking. It seems you're looking for a magical unicorn that doesn't exist.

You're going to be in for some sticker shock when you see the cost of replacing the iQOS sticks. They don't come in a pack of 20 like regular cigarettes and they're much, much shorter.

Oh.. One last thing. No more mention of tea cigarettes. You've been advised to knock that off more than once.

 

[nicotineisbomb]

If it were exactly like a cigarette, there would be no way it would pass muster as a harm reduction device. While the iQOS does use tobacco, you are not going to get the exact same result as if you were smoking. It seems you're looking for a magical unicorn that doesn't exist.

You're going to be in for some sticker shock when you see the cost of replacing the iQOS sticks. They don't come in a pack of 20 like regular cigarettes and they're much, much shorter.

Oh.. One last thing. No more mention of tea cigarettes. You've been advised to knock that off more than once.

I know that, I'm saying negative things about them and that they are just as bad as combusting any cigarette because they burn lots of chemicals... I'm saying positive things about vaping now.

 

[Bonskibon]

I hope things work out for you. The good thing is that your very young and decisions you make now may/will have an impact on your health in the future.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Heat not burn is not equivalent to vaping.
Have you thought about getting something simple like a Pico / nautilus 2 or similar & some tobacco flavor 3 - 8 mg/ml 50/50 eliquid.

If folks with 10 - 50 year smoking habits can find satisfaction & quit smoking with simple vaping setups, so can you.

 

[nicotineisbomb]

Heat not burn is not equivalent to vaping.
Have you thought about getting something simple like a Pico / nautilus 2 or similar & some tobacco flavor 3 - 8 mg/ml 50/50 eliquid.

If folks with 10 - 50 year smoking habits can find satisfaction & quit smoking with simple vaping setups, so can you.

I'm only 18 so I won't do much damage with vaping REAL tobacco using the IQOS device. Maybe down the road I will switch to an e juice vape.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Yes , everyone knows your age, it's obvious, especially when you say something like " I won't do much damage " - ludicrous.
No one has a magic crystal ball they can use to see the future.

You're trying to play a game with & attempting to control something that kills thousands per year.
Playing Russian roulette with your health is a game for fools. Especially at such a young age & considering the amount of info available now that wasn't 20 - 50 years ago.

Point being, heat not burn isn't the same as vaping. You are stil inhaling the byproducts of smoldering tobacco.
Less harmful than inhaling burning tobacco byproducts? maybe, maybe not.

 

[Bonskibon]

I personally wouldn't trust BT with anything relating to something being "healthier". I wonder if their "heat not burn" cigarettes are laced with anything else?

 

[jfcooley]

I read these posts, make a comment then lurk chuckling.
You're becoming 1 of my 2 main sources for chuckling. Thank you.

I'd offer something up constructive but I've already been ignored by my 2 teenagers this morning, had my fill.

(At this point I honestly believe you're trolling this board and it's members)

 

[retired1]

Less harmful than inhaling burning tobacco byproducts? maybe, maybe not.

PMI has over 10 years of research and data regarding their iQOS product. Is it totally safe? No. Is it far superior to smoking a regular cigarette? Yes. Remember, this is all about harm reduction.

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/t...tions-to-fda-soon.771323/reply?quote=18743389

 

[Topwater Elvis]

PMI has over 10 years of research and data regarding their iQOS product. Is it totally safe? No. Is it far superior to smoking a regular cigarette? Yes. Remember, this is all about harm reduction.

https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/t...tions-to-fda-soon.771323/reply?quote=18743389

Thank you for supplying information & clearing up any confusion my response may have caused.
I was only aware of the FDA recently denying their use of 'less harmful '.

 

[stols001]

If you'd rather use the IQOS than smoke, I 100% agree that it is safer than smoking. So I say go for it, if that's what you are willing to do right now. I would (for cost) probably try combining it with vaping and you may wind up finding out that overall, you prefer vaping.

But, even if you don't, I'm not going to discourage you for taking A STEP in the right direction for harm reduction.

It's not "just" like a cigarette, I highly doubt, but I guess you will be finding that out.

Anna

 

[Rossum]

I was only aware of the FDA recently denying their use of 'less harmful '.

Yeah, but the FDA also denied the Swedish Match SNUs application for the same sort of request. So it would seem that the FDA wants people to believe that all "tobacco products" are equally risky...

 

[lazyfruit]

I just got an Iqos last week and gotta say it is very close to actually smoking in terms of satisfaction. Gave it a test this weekend out drinking and I had no urge to smoke a ciggie, whilst with vaping I always do. Have been vaping since 2009 but have had a lot of problems with it healthwise this last year (allergies). Will use the Iqos now whilst I'm out and vape a little through the week. Wouldn't say the iqos is healthy but I wouldn't say vaping is either.