UPDATE: US Senate Panel Approves FDA Tobacco-Regulation Measure

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Done!

"Please vote "NO" for S.982 - FDA tobacco Bill.

I am not a smoker (I quit 3 months ago), but I can tell you that this bill is going about everything the wrong way. This bill could hurt tobacco farmers and endanger 65,000 jobs in states that already have an 11% unemployment rate. With the economy the way that it is right now, this is the last thing we need. Also, there are too many taxes to be gained to endanger this market. (I added in the second note: I guess what I'm saying is, why not continue to make money on idiots like me who kept smoking despite all the harful effects it could have and was having on my body)

I do agree that more tobacco prevention measures should be taken. But I can tell you, from experience (of being a teen smoker years ago) that getting rid of flavors, moving marketing to 1000 ft away of schools (which I have never seen it that close anyways), and changing ads to plain black on white...will NOT help. As a former teen smoker I can tell you that ads never lured me in, I never smoked flavored cigarettes until well into my legal smoking years, and I never saw advertising in/near schools. I smoked because I wanted to...nobody lured me in. My father smoked a specific camel type of cigarette every single morning on the way to school, I became addicted to the smell (being choked by his smoke, no kidding), it was delightful. When he quit, I literally went nuts. I started smoking soon after. Smoking starts with the parents/schools, morely the parents. Society has changed so much these days that parents don't spend enough time with their children. Parents don't tell their kids not to smoke nearly as much as they should. Parents don't even notice when their kids are doing drugs/huffing paint/smoking weed/smoking cigarettes. I speak from experience. My parents left for 2 weeks for germany and when they returned they heard somebody mention they thought they saw me smoking. They searched my room for a pack of cigarettes, and when they didn't find it, they never confronted me. What they didn't know is that, like any kid, I hid loose cigarettes in altoid containers. If they had confronted me, I may have stopped right then and there, I had only had 2 cigarettes by that time. But they didn't stop me, they didn't pay enough attention...and eventually I started smoking a pack or more a day.

I watched the discussions on this bill. In the meeting on Tuesday, one of the speakers stated that there had been remarkable declines in children smoking since more stop-smoking and prevent smoking measures were put into place. I think that you should encourage more media about the horrors of smoking, like is already being done, I see the commercials daily. I think that maybe healthy lungs and unhealthy lungs could be put on display (the real thing, not a picture, kids just think the pictures are faked) in the science section of schools. I know one thing that freaked me out was the jar of tar demonstrating the amount of tar that builds in the lungs. One could do a demonstration showing the cigarettes being smoked and the water the smoke is run through turns dark almost immediately. Things like this are going to stop/slow down teen smoking...this proposed bill will not.

Please vote NO to this bill. Please vote yes to better parenting and more smoking prevention groups."

I know that I'm not fluent with my words and I did not fight for the e-cig to them. I think right now we should focus more on stopping the bill...as it is of major pertinence right now. I didn't want to open a sore about e-cigs at this moment...I guess I didn't want them to think that was the one and only reason I didn't want the bill to pass...it could be written off as..."we don't know that would happen."
 

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I have a couple of calls/emails out there and am waiting on responses to see what others think and which amendments for sure made it (if any). I tried to listen to the whole thing... but even weeding through what I heard was brutal.

Are you thinking maybe of a filibuster?

Everyone should take pause on the freaking out until we find out if any amendments made it and if so, how do those affect the ecig if at all.

I do strongly suggest that the letters keep rolling in to your Senate members... continue clogging their inboxes and phone lines with your personal stories. It surely can't hurt to get "the voters" questioning where the ecig falls within the bill.
A filibuster would be nice too. Basically I'm for anything that will prevent it from coming to a vote. The only reason I'm even vaguely familiar with the senatorial hold priviledge is because Senator Tom Coburn, from Oklahoma (my state) is famous for placing them on bad legislation :)

I do agree, we absolutely must keep the phone lines, fax machines, and email inboxes totally clogged. With the "for the children" crap theyre spewing, it's going to be a hard fight.
 

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And Outtie - Your hold idea would have to come through someone like Hagan...

Democrat, North Carolina, Didn't vote for the bill... She could definitely go forward with a hold. Now, this is her first term so we will see if she has the cojones to do something like this... and if she does... wow... what a woman.

(i say this after her brutal race to get her seat and defend herself quite well against E. Dole)
I was wondering about the restrictions on who can and cant place a hold. Thanks.
 

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AND... please correct me if I am wrong... but as this is technically a "new" bill, doesn't it go back to the House?
From what I read from here: Should FDA Have the Power to Regulate Tobacco? - ABC News

"A similar measure was passed last month by the full House. If passed by the Senate panel and then the full chamber, the House and Senate would work to iron out the differences before sending it to the White House for Obama's signature."

it looks like it if it passed, then it wouldn't have to go back. But I'm assuming. :oops:

Oops...I need to read my own quotes! It looks like a discussion between both branches does occur.
 
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LOL, not to hijack or anything, but years ago a senator went for a filibuster and I thought the story was funny and would share it with you.

If I am correct, a filibuster is when somebody talks and talks and talks and talks until it is just given up on or it runs out of time, correct? Holding off the vote? Well, back in the day, there was a guy that decided he would try an all day filibuster, if that's what it took. So, he catheterized himself and showed up, and didn't shut up. After literally hours somebody noticed his leg appeared to be swelling and figured out what was going on. She, he walked up to the guy and slapped him in the leg congratulating him (for not shutting up) and it spilled the guy's urine all over him. Thus ending the filibuster (well, I'm assuming it did, as the speaker would leave to clean himself right?). This story was told to me as a very young child, so the details are sketchy...we learned about it in our politics/government class. I gotta tell ya,that's probably the only thing I remember. It did make me remember what a filibuster was though!
 

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From what I read from here: Should FDA Have the Power to Regulate Tobacco? - ABC News

"A similar measure was passed last month by the full House. If passed by the Senate panel and then the full chamber, the House and Senate would work to iron out the differences before sending it to the White House for Obama's signature."

it looks like it if it passed, then it wouldn't have to go back. But I'm assuming. :oops:

The kicker is, in the end, even if the bill is placed on the president's desk for signing, can't the president just not sign it?

COME ON MALBORO OBAMA!
 

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what I heard was brutal

It was very, very depressing, Lacey. This billl is not about the e-cig, of course, but about tobacco products. The FDA claims full jurisdiction over the e-cig as a "drug" product, none over it as a tobacco product. Our blindside ban will likely come from its drug connection.

But the rallying cry of "save the children" in these hearings was sad. Senators are hellbent to deny adult smokers access to less harmful alternatives because those alternatives might be used by children. I'm retirement age - I use dissolvables and snus. This measure could take them off the market for me, in order to "save the children" from starting tobacco use.

And of course that won't work.

Only Sen. Burr made sense -- and he never stood a chance with his calm, common sense arguments.

When this hits the Senate floor, Sen. Ted Kennedy will rise from his death bed to make one last Lion of the Senate speech to support this decade-old attempt to give the FDA authority over tobacco and to save yet-unborn generations from addiction. Blunt prediction: It will pass.

Obama was a co-sponsor as a senator and has said he will joyfully sign it as President.

All the non-smoking doors are closing to me at the same time. Snus, dissolvables, e-cigs. Slam, slam and coming slam.
 

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I am not a big government advocate. But sometimes I feel as though I am fast becoming a minority in this country.

So many people think government is the answer to all our problems and it's just not so.

The FDA can't handle the jobs it's already been given and now they want to give it more.

If you look at the government's job performance it's abysmal. Public schools, social security, medicare, immigration, and on and on.

The rights and freedoms in this country slowly errode as the government continues to save us from ourselves.

I've written my senators for all the good that will do. They are both partisan Democrats and vote exactly as Harry Reid tells them to vote.
 

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My new proposed bill….

Will give FDA the control/obligation to control junk foods of all sorts.

Obesity is more widespread than smoking. It affects children even before the toddler years. It causes heart disease, diabetes, heart attacks, death, etc.

I propose that we give the FDA the control and the obligation to control junk foods in the following manners.

Limit marketing of junk foods to plain black on white words, no logos, no fancy colors, no “pizazz” not even on the boxes/bags of the junk food.
Limit the flavorings of junk foods to simple flavors like dirt, dog poo, cow pie, air, etc. Additionally, no additives could be added to make these flavors better, such as salt.
Limit the colorings of the junk food to simple blacks and whites, so no fancy colors to lure anybody in.
Limit the marketing of all said junk foods. No ads could appear in newspapers, coupon books, magazines, billboards, etc.
Remove all vending machines with said junk food indefinitely.
Also, determine what items would need to be removed from public availability to prevent them creating any underground “bakeries” or “candy factories.”
Instate a death penalty to people who sell these items illegally to kids.


Junk food is considered to products such as chips, candy, snack cakes, pop tarts, muffins, cookies, cakes, donuts, etc.


BTW, I’m considered obese, so I am allowed to make jokes on these things! No offense was intended! I am simply mocking…
 

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The kicker is, in the end, even if the bill is placed on the president's desk for signing, can't the president just not sign it?

COME ON MALBORO OBAMA!
No. If it remains unsigned for 10 days, it becomes law by default. The exception is if the current congressional session ends before the 10 days are up (which the current one doesnt end until 2011). If the President vetos it, the bill is sent back to congress with a note including the reasons for the veto. The chamber that originated the bill can then attempt to override the veto by a 2/3 vote of those present. If the veto is overriden in both chambers, it then becomes law.
 
The kicker is, in the end, even if the bill is placed on the president's desk for signing, can't the president just not sign it?

COME ON MALBORO OBAMA!

For only a certain time period (I think 14 days), then it becomes law in a defacto sense. He could always veto it though - now that would be sweet (but unlikely).
 

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No. If it remains unsigned for 10 days, it becomes law by default. The exception is if the current congressional session ends before the 10 days are up (which the current one doesnt end until 2011). If the President vetos it, the bill is sent back to congress with a note including the reasons for the veto. The chamber that originated the bill can then attempt to override the veto by a 2/3 vote of those present. If the veto is overriden in both chambers, it then becomes law.

The only thing that could happen, is that the bill is placed on Obama's desk and if those 10 days lapses and the Senate happens to be out of session, then the bill dies. That is called a pocket veto. Pocket veto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now, the only thing is is that no Senator will place the bill on Obama's desk with only 8 days to go until session is out... it is all about timing and these guys are good at keeping their eye on the calendar.

No bloody wonder this is so confusing eh?
 

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My new proposed bill….

Will give FDA the control/obligation to control junk foods of all sorts.

Obesity is more widespread than smoking. It affects children even before the toddler years. It causes heart disease, diabetes, heart attacks, death, etc.

I propose that we give the FDA the control and the obligation to control junk foods in the following manners.

Limit marketing of junk foods to plain black on white words, no logos, no fancy colors, no “pizazz” not even on the boxes/bags of the junk food.
Limit the flavorings of junk foods to simple flavors like dirt, dog poo, cow pie, air, etc. Additionally, no additives could be added to make these flavors better, such as salt.
Limit the colorings of the junk food to simple blacks and whites, so no fancy colors to lure anybody in.
Limit the marketing of all said junk foods. No ads could appear in newspapers, coupon books, magazines, billboards, etc.
Remove all vending machines with said junk food indefinitely.
Also, determine what items would need to be removed from public availability to prevent them creating any underground “bakeries” or “candy factories.”
Instate a death penalty to people who sell these items illegally to kids.


Junk food is considered to products such as chips, candy, snack cakes, pop tarts, muffins, cookies, cakes, donuts, etc.


BTW, I’m considered obese, so I am allowed to make jokes on these things! No offense was intended! I am simply mocking…
Oh God No! Not poptarts! What did they ever do, well nevermind that question, but still, NO!!!
 
My senator is useless and the root of most of this evil, Lautenberg..

When I wrote my article:

The Electronic Cigarette: A Better Alternative to Smoking?



I sent his press office several emails asking him to comment on what I said and they didn't even have the decency to reply to me. :p I then emailed his office to let them know he would never have my vote and that I'd tell everyone I could not to vote for him. Hmph.
 

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No. If it remains unsigned for 10 days, it becomes law by default. The exception is if the current congressional session ends before the 10 days are up (which the current one doesnt end until 2011). If the President vetos it, the bill is sent back to congress with a note including the reasons for the veto. The chamber that originated the bill can then attempt to override the veto by a 2/3 vote of those present. If the veto is overriden in both chambers, it then becomes law.

Thank you for explaining that! I swear I slept through history/politics classes! :)
 

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Oh God No! Not poptarts! What did they ever do, well nevermind that question, but still, NO!!!

Sorry, that deserved a ROFLMAO!

My fav poptarts are the gingerbread ones...ooh...gingerbread vaping...that could be interesting! OMG...*runs to the cupboard and starts fiddling*
 

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Thank you for explaining that! I swear I slept through history/politics classes! :)
Welcome. I assume you saw what Lacey posted, about how other reasons for congress to be out of session (not just end of session) can also prevent it from becoming law by default.
 

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Sorry, that deserved a ROFLMAO!

My fav poptarts are the gingerbread ones...ooh...gingerbread vaping...that could be interesting! OMG...*runs to the cupboard and starts fiddling*
:D

OMG, gingerbread poptarts? I've never seen those. Brown-sugar cinnamon are my fav, but where do you find gingerbread ones? Yummm
 

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Welcome. I assume you saw what Lacey posted, about how other reasons for congress to be out of session (not just end of session) can also prevent it from becoming law by default.


Yes, I have been reading every post on this one...it's interesting me...almost gave me a heart attack at first...but...you know!
 
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