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US Senate Appropriations Cmte approves bill urging FDA to issue "deeming" regulation for unregulated tobacco products, including e-cigarettes
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to all of the followers of this thread and action do-ers of letter writing!!! Let's go, it's now or not anymore freedom to choose a safer affordable alternative to smoking!!!
well i read through this whole thread and saw many requests for Tennesseans to "lobby" Lamar...i'm on email lists for every representatives (state & federal) & senators (including some that aren't even in my district) and here is the grim picture. Lamar is a die-hard bootlicker and there's nothing that will convince him (short of Obama telling him he's wrong) to have an open mind and research anything. a few months back when TN was targeting new bills that would basically classify e-cigs as being the same as analogs I sent out several packages (from CASAA's packets...btw thanks guys and good job) to select state congresspersons. i got a mix of canned response emails and actual responses from the representatives. net effect is if you get a canned response one of 2 things happened 1) your correspondence will likely never be seen by the individual (lackey or trash bin) or 2) they deem you unworthy of their time.
for the ones that actually replied I got lots of good positive feedback and the verbiage was changed due to the fine folks involved in the community (PureSmokers was very involved & I thank them as well).
anyway (this is one of my longest posts lol) as far as TN congressman at the federal level I can only say that Lamar will never jump ship, Phil Roe (not even in my district) will most likely vote against this proviso, Cooper you just can't ever tell (I think he's going senile personally lol) but he is generally receptive to information given to him by his constituents. until about 6 years ago I kinda lived "in a bubble" but after seeing just how screwed up our nation is i started paying more attention & becoming more active in the political side of things. my recommendation is to sign up for your representatives, etc. email list and see what they say and on issues that really matter to you check out how they voted on those issues on the .gov websites. then you'll know whether they say what they mean and believe in.
long story in short form...We are here in TN!!! & trust me I'll be WATCHING!!!
for the ones that actually replied I got lots of good positive feedback and the verbiage was changed due to the fine folks involved in the community (PureSmokers was very involved & I thank them as well).
anyway (this is one of my longest posts lol) as far as TN congressman at the federal level I can only say that Lamar will never jump ship, Phil Roe (not even in my district) will most likely vote against this proviso, Cooper you just can't ever tell (I think he's going senile personally lol) but he is generally receptive to information given to him by his constituents. until about 6 years ago I kinda lived "in a bubble" but after seeing just how screwed up our nation is i started paying more attention & becoming more active in the political side of things. my recommendation is to sign up for your representatives, etc. email list and see what they say and on issues that really matter to you check out how they voted on those issues on the .gov websites. then you'll know whether they say what they mean and believe in.
long story in short form...We are here in TN!!! & trust me I'll be WATCHING!!!
Yes! It was the Signature Room of the John Hancock Building -- lunch with my son. First time there, and I am a lifelong Chicagoan!
I suspect that the appearance of being an organization of such ethical and empathic core values is certainly the stuff that takes the fictional Huxley and Orwellian writings out of the realm of fiction and into that of prophecy. The FDA is thus our 21st century Ministry of Love.
We are in the element of Ignorance is Bliss I am afraid. This is not yelling fire in the movie theater, rather it is screaming incoming as the pieces of a puzzle that is certainly being peiced together are slowly coming out. I hat thinking in terms of battles and such; but this is a battle of truth vs. selective and well placed half truths (thus half lies). Unfortunately the truths that we need are already being subtly discredited as the FDA questions the general validity of research done outside the US borders.
Drivel and paper waste it may be, but it is "bonified" paperwork that carries weight in circles that have power. And that is a real problem. I agree there needs to be a voice for the vaper that can lobby and be seen as a stakeholder. CASAA is a phenomenal group. There is no doubt that they have been an integral part of the successes that keep vaping available at present. The ECF has been a marvelous place of wisdom, reason and such threads as this that address openly the issues at hand.
My question is that the towns and states fought in years past are moving toward nation and world battles and discussions.
One can go from township A to township B easily if there is a ban or a restriction. It will not be as easy to go from country to country and when (and if) there is a world effort to remove or highly regulate e-cigs- then there is no other world to go to, as far as i can tell.
It is time to step up to the plate and get the large percentage of vapers who are not in forums, groups or aware that this is an issue to be educated and become the force that it can be... that is an agenda that is worth entertaining.
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That's basically what CASAA has been doing for the past 3 years. We've accomplished a LOT, but in 3 years, we've only had about 2,300 people join (compare that to the number of ECF members) and haven't been able to raise nearly enough funds to truly be a force to be reckoned with.
CASAA has sent out the invitations and got the party started - we just need a LOT more vapers to show up.
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It really blows me away that they are wasting time and money to regulate ecigs when assault rifles are still legal. No I am not anti gun but geez, how dangerous is an ecig compared to an assault rifle. They want us in the same category as Tobacco, firearms, alcohol. Makes no sense to me! bnrk
Why would Alexander cater to Obama? He is a Republican. On this issue,it seems he and Lindsey Graham are catering to Mitch McConnell of Kentucky who is the Minority Leader. I wish I knew where McConnells" mind is right now. He needs to be educated. Anyone from Kentucky game to lobby him?
I am posting the members of the House that are on the Appropriations Committe. When Bill Godshall posts a template for our use on this issue,those who reside in these reps districts can begin lobbying against this bill. I am assuming we are still discussing the Bill the Senate Appropriations Committee passed which the House must also pass--or not pass. The reps and their State are listed,but it is important that you be in their district.
CHAIRMAN,Harold Rogers 5th District Kentucky
C.W. Bill Young,Florida
Jerry Lewis,California
Frank Wolf,Virginia
Jack Kingston,Georgia
Rodney P. Frelinghuysen,New Jersey
Tom Latham,Iowa
Robert Aderholt,Alabama
Jo Ann Emerson,Missouri
Kay Grange,Texas District 12 Ft.Worth area
Michael Simpson,Idaho
John Abney Culberson,Texas District 7 Houston Area-Western half of Harrison County
Rodney Alexander,Louisiana
Ken Calvert,California
Jo Bonner,Alabama
Steven C.LaTourette,Ohio
Tom Cole,Oklahoma
Jeff Flake,Arizona
Mario Diaz-Balart,Florida
Charles W. Dent,Pennsylvania
Steve Austin,Ohio
Cynthia M.Lummis,Wyoming
Tom Graves,Georgia
Kevin Yoder,Kansas
Steve Womack,Arkansas
Alan Nunnelee,Mississippi
John Carter,Texas District 31 Round Rock,Temple etc.
Ander Crenshaw,Florida
Denny Rehberg,Montana
If I did not list a district,check your State to see which district the listed Rep represents.
Keep in mind, I'm no attorney, but here's something I just thought about at this moment. Feedback appreciated.
I could be wrong here, but since several studies have proven that the FDA is openly spreading falsehoods about vaping to the American populace that is damaging to the image and welfare of the businesses in the e cig industry and,as a result, the individuals operating said businesses, I'd say that their statements could be considered libel.
For instance, here's the FDA's page on pv's:
Electronic Cigarettes
After reading this, you clan clearly see that they are purposefully blowing things out of proportion in order to cast a false light on our devices and liquids. I can only imagine it is done in an attempt to harm the industry as much as possible; to beat it into submission if you will.
Now, keeping this in mind, read this:
Defamation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If the requirements can be met to prove that the FDA is clearly in the wrong (which I think may be possible with the amout of lab reports and other evidences we have about the safety of vaping), there is a possibility that a suit could be made against the FDA in order to, at a minimum, force them to keep their craws shut about the issue until they can speak truthfully about our pv's and our liquids.
So if we need to, we should have a way to swing back, should the FDA wreak havoc upon the vaping community. If they get their way, I am going to be SO .......
I could be wrong here, but since several studies have proven that the FDA is openly spreading falsehoods about vaping to the American populace that is damaging to the image and welfare of the businesses in the e cig industry and,as a result, the individuals operating said businesses, I'd say that their statements could be considered libel.
For instance, here's the FDA's page on pv's:
Electronic Cigarettes
After reading this, you clan clearly see that they are purposefully blowing things out of proportion in order to cast a false light on our devices and liquids. I can only imagine it is done in an attempt to harm the industry as much as possible; to beat it into submission if you will.
Now, keeping this in mind, read this:
Defamation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If the requirements can be met to prove that the FDA is clearly in the wrong (which I think may be possible with the amout of lab reports and other evidences we have about the safety of vaping), there is a possibility that a suit could be made against the FDA in order to, at a minimum, force them to keep their craws shut about the issue until they can speak truthfully about our pv's and our liquids.
So if we need to, we should have a way to swing back, should the FDA wreak havoc upon the vaping community. If they get their way, I am going to be SO .......
I live in the wonderful (not) corrupt state of Illinois, this is not what Abraham Lincoln would do, Durbin has too much power and has been in office way to long. I have written to this man several times and I keep getting the same form letter in the mail, what is a citizen of Illinois to do? They don't listen to what we say, in other words if you don't like it move, I was born and raised here and have roots, I don't want to leave!
it doesn't matter if they have a (D) or an (R) after their names...it's what they do that matters...
After reading this, can anyone honestly say that they believe that the FDA wants to help smokers improve their health?
I participated in a dialog last week where we discussed the question, "How can we better define the terms that are used in today's rapidly changing tobacco, nicotine, and alternative products environment? Do we agree that terms need better definition, and if so, what process is needed for us to reach better definition?" We talked about the fact that the government, medical journals, non-profits, etc. seem to use the words Smoking and Tobacco interchangeably.
I commented that I don't think they are confused about what the terms mean. I believe that they are purposely obfuscating. Their goal is to eliminate tobacco from the face of the earth, so they want to paint the generic term "tobacco" with the same black paint brush that the specific term "smoking" is painted with.
Notice that the only thing they mentioned is reducing tobacco use by minors. There is not one word about helping adult smokers. Not a word about "Modified Risk" tobacco products.
I participated in a dialog last week where we discussed the question, "How can we better define the terms that are used in today's rapidly changing tobacco, nicotine, and alternative products environment? Do we agree that terms need better definition, and if so, what process is needed for us to reach better definition?" We talked about the fact that the government, medical journals, non-profits, etc. seem to use the words Smoking and Tobacco interchangeably.
I commented that I don't think they are confused about what the terms mean. I believe that they are purposely obfuscating. Their goal is to eliminate tobacco from the face of the earth, so they want to paint the generic term "tobacco" with the same black paint brush that the specific term "smoking" is painted with.
Notice that the only thing they mentioned is reducing tobacco use by minors. There is not one word about helping adult smokers. Not a word about "Modified Risk" tobacco products.
I could be mistaken,but I think Durbin is up for reelection this year. If so,vote and vote often against him!!(Just an old South Texas saying)
Gosh,no takers. Are we still trying to lobby the House Appropriations Committee to vote against the Senate Appropriations Committee Bill?
What this country needs is more regulations
Don't ya just love the Nanny State
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Heard on the news the other day ...
If our elected officials did what they were hired to do (make the tough decisions)
They wouldn't be re-elected.
Don't ya just love the Nanny State
Off-Topic
Heard on the news the other day ...
If our elected officials did what they were hired to do (make the tough decisions)
They wouldn't be re-elected.
That sucks about Durbin. I live in Illinois too. I wonder if you have to get IN government to do something. Locally, when we call our alderman, nothing much usually happens.
I wonder if this issue is pretty moot now that there is the ban on sending lithium ion batteries from China.
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