US Senate Appropriations Cmte approves bill urging FDA to issue "deeming" regulation for unregulated tobacco products, including e-cigarettes

[TigerLadyTX]

I have already written him - several days ago. I hand delivered the letter to his State Farm office here in Garland. (Yes, he still runs a State Farm agency and that is where I worked for him all those years ago). Even if Joe is not in good grace at this time, he does still work with other folk who are. And since Joe was a smoker long ago, I think he will actually be amenable to listening to, and passing on intel to those who actually might be able to do something to help.

~Tiger

It might be best not to contact Mr. Driver. He has had some severe legal issues which would make him ineffective in the Legislature and might even cause harm to our mission.

 

[LeDean]

I am worried about this as well we are a new company and although we are late to the game we really enjoy our business and our own products. At the end of the day I don't really buy anything that is sold as in the interest of 'public safety'. In my experience these decisions are all made with pockets in mind.

Follow the money and you're likely to see who will benefit from this legislation, or who is being hurt by the lack of legislation right now.

Not that I'm saying anything we don't already know

 

[zoiDman]

^^^ bump ^^^

 

[Vocalek]

Why we don't want e-cigarettes regulated by the FDA under the Family Smoking Prevention and tobacco Control Act.


1. User fees

The Secretary shall in accordance with this section assess user fees on, and collect such fees from, each manufacturer and importer of tobacco products subject to this chapter. The fees shall be assessed and collected with respect to each quarter of each fiscal year, and the total amount assessed and collected for a fiscal year shall be the amount specified in subsection (b)(1) for such year, subject to subsection (c).


For fiscal year 2012, $477,000,000.

‘(iii) REQUIREMENT OF REGULATIONS- Notwithstanding clause (ii), no user fees shall be assessed on a class of tobacco products unless such class of tobacco products is listed in section 901(b) or is deemed by the Secretary in a regulation under section 901(b) to be subject to this chapter.

2. Record-keeping

‘(1) IN GENERAL- The Secretary shall promulgate regulations regarding the establishment and maintenance of records by any person who manufactures, processes, transports, distributes, receives, packages, holds, exports, or imports tobacco products.
‘(2) INSPECTION- In promulgating the regulations described in paragraph (1), the Secretary shall consider which records are needed for inspection to monitor the movement of tobacco products from the point of manufacture through distribution to retail outlets to assist in investigating potential illicit trade, smuggling, or counterfeiting of tobacco products.
‘(3) CODES- The Secretary may require codes on the labels of tobacco products or other designs or devices for the purpose of tracking or tracing the tobacco product through the distribution system.
‘(4) SIZE OF BUSINESS- The Secretary shall take into account the size of a business in promulgating regulations under this section.

hmmm....

 

[bnrkwest]

So basically this is all about the nicotine, zero nicotine would not be regulated. bnrk

 

[TennDave]

So basically this is all about the nicotine, zero nicotine would not be regulated. bnrk

Well, that's what some people think- there is a fear though that it the device is used to deliver nicotine (even without nicotine in it), it could be banned as well- really crazy but who knows what can happen.

 

[zoiDman]

So basically this is all about the nicotine, zero nicotine would not be regulated. bnrk

That’s the way I see it.

It would be sort of hard for the Government to Regulate PG, VG and the Food Flavors currently used to flavor e-Liquids.

Well, that's what some people think- there is a fear though that it the device is used to deliver nicotine (even without nicotine in it), it could be banned as well- really crazy but who knows what can happen.

I think the hardware side of e-Cigarettes is Pretty Safe. You can still walk into a “Head Shop” and buy a (MODERATED) . Just as long as you say you want to smoke Tobacco in it.

 

[Luisa]

That’s the way I see it.

It would be sort of hard for the Government to Regulate PG, VG and the Food Flavors currently used to flavor e-Liquids.




I think the hardware side of e-Cigarettes is Pretty Safe. You can still walk into a “Head Shop” and buy a (MODERATED) . Just as long as you say you want to smoke Tobacco in it.

Zoidman--dream on--they are AFTER us and we need to start lobbying. We need vapors in every State and every District in that State to lobby their Senator and House Rep--and we need numbers in every District. They do pay attention to the voters in their Districts or if a Senator in their State. We need to get busy FAST!

 

[zoiDman]

Zoidman--dream on--they are AFTER us and we need to start lobbying. We need vapors in every State and every District in that State to lobby their Senator and House Rep--and we need numbers in every District. They do pay attention to the voters in their Districts or if a Senator in their State. We need to get busy FAST!

And what should we "Lobby" our Elected Officals to do?

BTW - The State I live in announced that it is 16 Billion on the Hole. That BILLION with a "B".

Sort of a hard sell when talking to Policy makers about Not Taxing something when your state needs to either Raise 16 Billion in Taxes. Or Make 16 Billion in Cuts.

 

[Luisa]

And what should we "Lobby" our Elected Officals to do?

BTW - The State I live in announced that it is 16 Billion on the Hole. That BILLION with a "B".

Sort of a hard sell when talking to Policy makers about Not Taxing something when your state needs to either Raise 16 Billion in Taxes. Or Make 16 Billion in Cuts.

I do not know which State you live in but may be they best quit spending so much!. It is the Federal Government that is currently proposing taxation,not the States--yet. Don"t worry the States will get there soon enough! The regulations that will be proposed won"t all be about taxation--they are just going to make everything difficult for us. We just need to try to stay on top of it and do what we are able to do.

 

[Jim Bob]

A HUGE chunk of that would be saved IF the "leaders" in your state would tackle the Illegal alien (illegal moochers) problem rather than catering to (selling out the legal citizens for the illegal vote) them. IF one wishes to live in this country and take advantage of the many great things here, the Very Least they can do is become legal citizens and pay their fair share, rather than sending the bulk of their income to their "real home country" .

Rather than accept that reality though they'll look at more and newer taxes on the Legal Citizens of your state....all the while giving away Billions of your state's citizens tax $$$ in so many various programs which in reality buy the votes they're after...

And what should we "Lobby" our Elected Officals to do?

BTW - The State I live in announced that it is 16 Billion on the Hole. That BILLION with a "B".

Sort of a hard sell when talking to Policy makers about Not Taxing something when your state needs to either Raise 16 Billion in Taxes. Or Make 16 Billion in Cuts.

 

[zoiDman]

I do not know which State you live in but may be they best quit spending so much!. It is the Federal Government that is currently proposing taxation,not the States--yet. Don"t worry the States will get there soon enough! The regulations that will be proposed won"t all be about taxation--they are just going to make everything difficult for us. We just need to try to stay on top of it and do what we are able to do.

What you just said applies to All States as well as the Federal Government.

A HUGE chunk of that would be saved IF the "leaders" in your state would tackle the Illegal alien (illegal moochers) problem rather than catering to (selling out the legal citizens for the illegal vote) them. IF one wishes to live in this country and take advantage of the many great things here, the Very Least they can do is become legal citizens and pay their fair share, rather than sending the bulk of their income to their "real home country" .

Rather than accept that reality though they'll look at more and newer taxes on the Legal Citizens of your state....all the while giving away Billions of your state's citizens tax $$$ in so many various programs which in reality buy the votes they're after...

This is True. And we who live here know this oh Too Well.

But it would take Political Backbone to do this. Very few Policy makers are willing to risk Pissing Off Hispanic Voters by doing anything about Illegal Immigration.

 

[rothenbj]

Sounds like Zoidman is in Taxafornia.

 

[JD4x4]

Sounds like Zoidman is in Taxafornia.

Could also be from your southern neighboring state.
MD just passed a "tobacco products" tax increase of 100% going from 15% of the wholesale price to 30%. Cigars are a special case. They are going to be taxed at 70% of their wholesale price, unless they are "premium" cigars, in which case it's 30%.

SB1302. Passed today (5/15) in special session. O'Malley was seen feverishly discarding drool soaked tissues, unable to constrain himself until he is able to attach his signature.

They ALL want your money, and they WILL have it.

 

[zoiDman]

Sounds like Zoidman is in Taxafornia.

Could also be from your southern neighboring state.
MD just passed a "tobacco products" tax increase of 100% going from 15% of the wholesale price to 30%. Cigars are a special case. They are going to be taxed at 70% of their wholesale price, unless they are "premium" cigars, in which case it's 30%.

SB1302. Passed today (5/15) in special session. O'Malley was seen feverishly discarding drool soaked tissues, unable to constrain himself until he is able to attach his signature.

They ALL want your money, and they WILL have it.

No, Unfortunately it's California.

The Land of Crazy Laws and a Tax on Everything Under the Sun.

BTW - California would Tax the Sun if they could find a way to keep Nevada from getting Sunlight for Free.

 

[Stop Smoking]

This is a little off the point, but it is not at all. Consider browsing the FDA master plan for worldwide intervention, regulation and in many ways world leverage released April 23, 2012:

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/AboutFDA/ReportsManualsForms/Reports/UCM298578.pdf

The FDA will run with this and do it with haste and I would think that many of the prior posts have hit the nail soundly-

The SG is not our friend, ally or potential partner; she is distinctly ANTZ.
This requires action and requires consumers to be united as well as the venders.
The FDA does not take hostages, it will implement these recommendations and it will interpret them as it wishes.
The only thing that would hamper this is State tax and Federal tax revenue potential being inhibited by such a bill.

Particularly note that smokeless and analogs are equated as causes of the mortality of tobacco (see pages 7 and 8). Notice that an entire section is highlighted specifically about tobacco. The idea that off shore nicotine or hardware would still be available is speculative at best as described by the FDA's initiative to intercept prescription medications at local levels- de facto deputizing postmasters to investigate suspicious foreign and domestic packages.

 

[Luisa]

No, Unfortunately it's California.

The Land of Crazy Laws and a Tax on Everything Under the Sun.

BTW - California would Tax the Sun if they could find a way to keep Nevada from getting Sunlight for Free.

You just made my day--I could not stop laughing!

 

[sandybeach]

Because the vaping community is so huge, and because we have so many smart people, isn't it possible we could form our own special interest group and start lobbying like crazy?

 

[rothenbj]

That's one fine piece of bureaucratic paper waste, all build around solid "science driven" drivel and the propaganda of "we are here to help you". One world, all controlled by the FDA and WHO.

OT, Sandy, that must be a John Hancock Building (or whatever they call it today) shot. I was on that observation deck decades ago but I've never seen anything like it.

 

[Lisa Belle]

Fda vs. Vapers in the united states of america
step up to the plate every vaper, we must act!!!