UPDATE: US Senate Panel Approves FDA Tobacco-Regulation Measure

[jim420]

The ban on smokeless products is so short-sighted. Without less harmful, but effective, alternatives available in tobacco shops, a smoker wanting to quit cigarettes will have a single option on shelves: Packs of cigarettes.

The legislation, far from saving lives, will kill thousands in the next few years.

Thanks for your work, Bill. You tried. I agree with your conclusion that e-cigs are not directly affected. They are not a tobacco product. But this legislation will likely force action soon from the FDA, since these "addictive" e-cigs can't be allowed to fall into the hands of "the children" being so protected by the new law.

If forces demand a ban on 4mg pellets, what will they rule on a device that delivers 36mg liquid? I bet janitors are finding cartridges in high school trash dumps ...

That is true about the juice, but the e-cig is a 'nicotine delivery device" which is also in the recommended bill.
You have to read the whole thing to find this. It's a shame, but they are trying to close every door.

 

[tissan88]

Hey guys I am fairly new here , but it seems to me that e-cigarettes will be banned/Illegal in the upcoming months. ( I hope not , but lets face reality)

Now the question is : How can we still vape ?

I think Our best bet , it to completely change the way the e cigarette looks.

If we can

A) Have the same Atomized Technology inside a product that DOES NOT LOOK like a cigarette/e-cigarette.

B) Never make Health Claims.

C) Call it a Personal Vaporiser

D) Make sure that Vendors who sell Personal Vaporiser DO NOT sell JUICE/NICOTINE.

I think we should be Fine.

 

[echoblack]

I hope they realize that just because they are taking away a favorite flavor doesn't mean that kids won't smoke and it doesn't mean that a person that LOVES that flavor will stop smoking. Heck, I don't know one person who didn't just love one brand, but smoked the cheap stuff instead at times...people who smoke, will continue to smoke. Children will continue to try. There is nothing that can be done about that except trying more preventative measures. In the first meeting they did agree that teen smoking was down by almost 60% or so since advertising had been changed and groups to stop kids from smoking were started. But it just goes to show that we must all be children and the FDA is our mommy and daddy.

That is what they want the herded masses to believe, not just right out front like that but kind of in the back of your mind thing.... Not really something they know they believe and would deny if you asked them, but you can deduce they must think that why by what they say.

"Well, I no "I" can think for myself.. but... I don't think people in general are smart enough to think for themselves."

Kind of a...

"I am so glad I am a Beta-Plus. I love green and I am soooo glad I am not and Alpha. They work so hard and Gammas are soooo dumb."

It is really scary how many people have been conditioned in this way. If this ban goo's through Personal Vaporisers will go down in the history books as being "Far more dangerous then cigarettes" even though it is completely illogical. No one will question it because they seen it on the news.

Meanwhile, I die of lung cancer but at lest we got thoughs horable e-cigarettes off the market

 

[echoblack]

Hey guys I am fairly new here , but it seems to me that e-cigarettes will be banned/Illegal in the upcoming months. ( I hope not , but lets face reality)

Now the question is : How can we still vape ?

I think Our best bet , it to completely change the way the e cigarette looks.

If we can

A) Have the same Atomized Technology inside a product that DOES NOT LOOK like a cigarette/e-cigarette.

B) Never make Health Claims.

C) Call it a Personal Vaporiser

D) Make sure that Vendors who sell Personal Vaporiser DO NOT sell JUICE/NICOTINE.

I think we should be Fine.

Well there are vaporisers in the store down the street for use with any thing you want to vaporise they even have a tep gage.

You can buy VG at the store.
You can buy water and flavour no problem at all.

It is really a question of how to buy nicotine.

I guess your best bet would be to buy nicotine patches then extract the nicotine and use that. However, it would be vary expensive... Though I have not done the math on that.

 

[TropicalBob]

The Senate advanced the FDA tobacco control bill today. And look at the vote to shut down opponents wanting to offer amendments.

Tobacco Regulation Bill Advances In Senate Test Vote

 

[RandallFlagg]

The Senate advanced the FDA tobacco control bill today. And look at the vote to shut down opponents wanting to offer amendments.

Tobacco Regulation Bill Advances In Senate Test Vote

And the nightmare continues.
Thanks for the update. I'll help spread the word.

 

[Smokin'Sandy]

The Senate advanced the FDA tobacco control bill today. And look at the vote to shut down opponents wanting to offer amendments.

Tobacco Regulation Bill Advances In Senate Test Vote

Thanks for the update and link, but I'm not seeing where they voted to shut down opponents wanting to offer amendments.

I read this:

"The Senate voted 84-11 to limit debate on whether to consider the tobacco bill. Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., an outspoken opponent of the bill, is expected to pull out the stops by forcing numerous procedural votes on the bill."

I took that to mean that they voted for not allowing debate to let the bill die and that the majority supported the bill.

And this:

"The Senate is unlikely to debate amendments to the bill until later this week. Burr said Tuesday he wants to introduce an alternative to the bill that would create a new agency within the Health and Human Services Department to regulate tobacco.

Burr said he hopes to stretch debate into next week on the tobacco regulation measure."

I read that to mean that the amendments will be debated later this week.

Did I miss something?

 

[Surf Monkey]

You all should tune into CSPAN 2 right now. The Senate is debating the new tobacco legislation right now. Richard Burr (R) just gave a very interesting speech about the benefits of alternate tobacco technologies that promise to reduce smoking and increase general public health. **** Durbin (D) is now speaking on the same topic. Neither Senator has mentioned the e-cigarette yet, but they have talked about several similar smoke free alternatives.

I just wrote Burr a fairly detailed email suggesting that he look at e-cigarette technology and consider how it impacts this pending legislation. I'm in the process of composing a similar email to Durbin. I'd strongly suggest that you all do the same thing. With this legislation being actively debated, now is the time to get your email or phone call noticed.

 

[sheilalynn]

I'm not liking this guy on there now, grrrrrr...talking about how they're designed to appeal to kids....

 

[Surf Monkey]

I'm not liking this guy on there now, grrrrrr...talking about how they're designed to appeal to kids....

Yeah, Durbin is off base on the advertising targeting. He's generally a reasonably level headed guy, but the examples he's showing right now are poor. He's making the "it comes in various flavors so that means they're targeted at kids", as if adults don't like things with flavors too.

But this is exactly why these guys need their awareness of e-cigarettes raised. They're calling for products that reduce public health risk, but it appears that none of them have ever heard of e-cigarettes (arguably the most promising nicotine delivery system on the market right now.)

 

[OutWest]

i jsut rang Durbin's office and his aid explained that the reason for the flavors and kids thing is that thousands of kids start smoking every day. I pointed out that thousand of kids also start drinking every day and that by their logic we should ban all flavored alcoholic drinks.

 

[orlampagal]

Dennis Leary says it best (fast forward to about the 4th or 5th minute)

YouTube - Denis Leary...NO CURE FOR CANCER...part 1/9

Be careful of the song in the beginning, lots of cursing... He talks about how they wanted to make the warnings bigger and all....

and here is one about alcohol: (remember, profanity profanity== don't play it with kids around)
YouTube - Denis Leary - Alcohol

 

[myrtlemeva]

what's happening now? apart from some lovely music? X
ignorant brit here who knows nothing about the us senate!!!

 

[OutWest]

i jsut rang Durbin's office and his aid explained that the reason for the flavors and kids thing is that thousands of kids start smoking every day. I pointed out that thousand of kids also start drinking every day and that by their logic we should ban all flavored alcoholic drinks.

Just thought of it (yeah, after the fact, sigh) that I should have asked if theyre going to also try to ban candy flavored nicorette gum because kids can and do use it.

 

[Kate51]

You know, the Nanny state thinks it is doing a fine job, doesn't it. Fine. Take over the tobacco companies, put a big scull and crossbones on the damn pack and spend millions and millions of dollars trying to make them all safer. Sickening. But they're still coming out of the factories, people are still buying them, and everybody is happy, right.
OK, put a scull on e-cigs and pretend you did your job, Congress. If that's all it takes to preserve the sale of these things sounds like a good deal to me. CANNOT BE OUTLAWED, right?? Don't want these tobacco companies too angry. right. How stupid this all is.

 

[Kate51]

what's happening now? apart from some lovely music? X
ignorant brit here who knows nothing about the us senate!!!

Don't feel bad, we don't understand it either.

 

[sheilalynn]

My doctor hadn't even heard of them when I told her about them and showed her one of mine. So yes, they definitely need to be more "mainstream" or however you want to call it.

Yes, that guy did overdo it with the advertising...but doesn't he realize that there are already laws prohibiting underage sales? (which I definitely agree with). We don't need people like him telling us that we can or can't use nicotine if we're of legal age. Just stupid...

 

[Smokin'Sandy]

You know, the Nanny state thinks it is doing a fine job, doesn't it. Fine. Take over the tobacco companies, put a big scull and crossbones on the damn pack and spend millions and millions of dollars trying to make them all safer. Sickening. But they're still coming out of the factories, people are still buying them, and everybody is happy, right.
OK, put a scull on e-cigs and pretend you did your job, Congress. If that's all it takes to preserve the sale of these things sounds like a good deal to me. CANNOT BE OUTLAWED, right?? Don't want these tobacco companies too angry. right. How stupid this all is.

I'm right there with you Kate. The insanity of letting one nicotine delivery system that will kill you staying legal vs banning other nicotine delivery systems as "drugs" that are to cure disease. What disease is that? Nicotine addiction? That legal drug that is delivered in the delivery system called cigarettes? The stupidity of it all makes my head swim.

 

[sargon]

Maybe if we could get our juice manufactures to come out with a camel dung flavor they wouldn't consider it aimed at kids! I'd probably still vape it!

Yeah, Durbin is off base on the advertising targeting. He's generally a reasonably level headed guy, but the examples he's showing right now are poor. He's making the "it comes in various flavors so that means they're targeted at kids", as if adults don't like things with flavors too.

But this is exactly why these guys need their awareness of e-cigarettes raised. They're calling for products that reduce public health risk, but it appears that none of them have ever heard of e-cigarettes (arguably the most promising nicotine delivery system on the market right now.)

 

[playerags]

I can't believe that music they are playing on cspan. No wonder why those senators are all crazy.