US classification of vaping

[AnglVapin]

Smoking alternative would throw it in with the NR products wouldn't it? Or it would be seen as a way to QUIT smoking and thats not what we want either.

You raise a valid question about whether "alternative" would get thrown into the NR products... However, here is my take on it.

If I go into a bar, as a designated driver.... My friends order alcohol and I order a Dr, Pepper. Well, I have chosen an "alternative to alcohol" but alcohol and Dr. Pepper are in no way related. It's simply an alternative to drinking alchohol. So, should Dr. Pepper be classified as an alcohol cessation alternative? I think not.

If I use fragrant soap as opposed to perfume... it's merely an alternative that is no way connected to perfume... the list goes on....

Now if I said I was using an e-cig as a smoking cessation alternative, then I think I have clearly conncted the two.

Not sure I am making my point on this....

 

[Kate]

It's very tricky when any claims are made, health, cessation or whatever.

My view is that we should present vaping as a new behaviour, not claiming that it's related to anything. That doesn't go down well with some people because they intentionally market to smokers, that's why they say 'cigarette' in the name too.

I think that, like using water pipes or other paraphernalia, we will have to stop making open associations with nicotine in order to secure the hardware.

Nicotine is another matter entirely and should have some regulation in my view.

But dangerous sports aren't banned because they are not safe. Freedom to take risks is a moral issue that we might have to address more strongly than trying to prove safety (which we can't).

 

[EbenezerScrews]

I think is should remain unclassified, but I think a lot of things. Classification just gives them control. It will be classed as a drug.

 

[J W in Texas]

Walked into a novelty shop yesterday, not something I do, but I wanted to satisfy myself. Aside from the fact that it was awesome with all kinds of cool products, it's not my kind of crowd or scene. I was in there for about 1/2 an hour and then I saw them. There were all kinds of pipes there in glass cases. Handmade, exotic, regular mfg., some made from materials unidentifiable, at least to me. Now all of these were made for smoking tobacco as indicated from the signs on the glass display cases. These are all novelty items. Does the fda classify these as drug delivery devices? I don't think they do. Why not? They are made to deliver nicotine to the user...the old-fashioned way, by combustion. I really believe our device should be a 'Novelty' because it has more than one use. It can be no nicotine or with nicotine. Just as all these many pipes are supposed to be used for tobacco, we know what they are really used for. The fda says that they really know what our devices are used for (nicotine) but we can use them for more than that.

An analogy I've used before is a glass of beer. Is my glass a drug delivery device? I believe that somebody here in another thread stated that the fda had classified a spoon as a drug delivery device, yvilla or maybe lacey underall(?). The fda is trying to classify our devices according to what they "think" our intended use for them is. How do they know what I am going to use it for? Thought crimes are supposed to be the stuff of science fiction. For the record, I intend to use mine with no nicotine and walk around the house freshening each room with vanilla scented vapor. I refuse to pay for any more of those Glade plug-ins

Oh, and please don't make me have to go into anymore of these kinds of shops. I thought hippies were all extinct but I found 'the land that time forgot' yesterday LOL

 

[Zben504]

Just call it a personal vaporizer. As another poster said, kind of like a nebulizer. And the purpose of it is for vaporizing flavored liquids. Not nicotine. I mean, you can buy bongs and crack pipes and they just label it for tobacco use. So why can't you buy a vaporizer labeled for inhalation of a flavorful liquid?

That's exactly what I was thinking. They even sell vaporizers that people smoke weed out of but of course they don't market it that way. If you put a disclaimer saying that vaping nic is illegal and not it's intended use, can the Feds do anything about it?

 

[Nicfits]

I can only say that since I am no longer using nicotine in my E-liquid. For me they would have to be considered a novelty device. I mean their is no nicotine in what I am now using. Call it a breath freshener or what have you. This whole thing has me as mad as a wet cat.
My biggest fear at this time, if they ban the devices I would fall back into smoking real cigarettes. I mean using my E-cig ensures me that I will not smoke. It is my passifier.
I was a heavy smoker for over 35 years. My health got so that I was afraid I had COPD I got so that I couldn't walk fifty feet without being out of breath, yet I coudn't get off the analogs. I tried cold turkey and was having nicfits like crazy. Discovering E-cigs is what saved me from going back to cigarettes. Within a week or so of being off cigarettes and using my E-cigs, I got my breath back, I was no longer feeling all congested and coughing up mucuos all the time, the constant wheezing in my chest was gone, my body aches were gone and I can now go for jogs. Something that was impossible a few short months ago.
Sorry for the rant, this whole thing just has me really upset.

I think I'll refill my cart and vape out awhile.