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In 2016 we were focused on the FDA while losing the battle in the court of public opinion. That's what created an environment where this bill was eventually embraced. I wonder, if most of that early energy had been used to sway public opinion, if this shipping ban would have had broad support in Congress.

Yup, there is a History ..

Like I say, buy Your Supply, Do It Now ..
 
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My feelings are the same as @Vapeon4Life and could not agree more with what you posted. I also will be continuing to let my voice be heard. I have emailed/called my representatives every time this has come up in both at my states level and the federal level. I vote against people who support banning vaping and plan on continuing to do so.

Good! - That type of action may get their notice
- the petitions probably have little effect though I still sign them.

You also might try, through implication rather than direct accusation, to question what special interests are funding the anti-vape campaign - and if they are receiving campaign money from these special interests? {ie. Mike blumborg {sic}, etc.]

Possibly agree with restrictions preventing minors from obtaining any tobacco products, but ask why adults, sometimes older, and sometimes disabled should have to suffer - Why couldn't they have just required adult signature on delivery if that was really the intent of the postal ban ????
 

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I'll add that, for those that don't DIY liquid,

Electronic Cigarettes | E-Liquids (myfreedomsmokes.com)

Still offers 48mg premixed nic liquid in various flavors .. and, it's easy to dilute to your preferred strength .. 120ml bottles break down quite nicely down to 6-8mg using your own PG / VG ..
 

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So what do you do in a case where a certain anti-vape politician is also pro-[insert something more important than vaping here]?

To be honest it hasn't come up, call it luck or what have you, the people I vote for have aligned with my top 5 issues, of which vaping is one of them. I am not a single issue voter, I am a 5 issue voter. So far I have been able to find someone to support, who has been in support of all 5. Yes sometimes that means voting 3rd party, but I can tell you support for vaping has not been the reason I have voted third party (in has been fiscal responsibility).
 
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To be honest it hasn't come up, call it luck or what have you, the people I vote for have aligned with my top 5 issues, of which vaping is one of them. I am not a single issue voter, I am a 5 issue voter. So far I have been able to find someone to support, who has been in support of all 5. Yes sometimes that means voting 3rd party, but I can tell you support for vaping has not been the reason I have voted third party (in has been fiscal responsibility).
I'd prefer no party over a 3rd party.
 
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In 2016 we were focused on the FDA while losing the battle in the court of public opinion. That's what created an environment where this bill was eventually embraced. I wonder, if most of that early energy had been used to sway public opinion, if this shipping ban would have had broad support in Congress.

I don't know what we could have done differently that would have changed the outcome. We simply did not have the numbers to protect an activity deemed eternally evil by 90% of the general public. That's a tough nut to crack.

What killed us was that EVALI outbreak that was universally blamed on vaping, even though it had absolutely nothing to do with us. That was the beginning of the end.
 

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Possibly agree with restrictions preventing minors from obtaining any tobacco products, but ask why adults, sometimes older, and sometimes disabled should have to suffer - Why couldn't they have just required adult signature on delivery if that was really the intent of the postal ban ????

All Good Points, but the sad part is, they way they passed that bill and all of the garbage that was included that didn't have to do with relief is sickening, and that goes for all three packages they have passed. That bill was going to pass, no matter what. I wish more people paid attention to the pork and unrelated items that are included in bills and made the politicians that vote for them pay a price by Specifically not getting reelected, but it doesn't happen that way. I will not be voting for them, but then again, I didn't vote for them the first time around.

The folks we have in office now, and for the past decade, do not negotiate or compromise, it doesn't matter which side of the isle they sit on. IMO this is the problem with our government.

They all need term limits.
 

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From my friend Lori on the HHV thread (she would know)....

There’s more reasons to stock up on your vape supplies.

1) Some vape shops have been notified that CC companies will no longer process transactions. For at least one, the notice came midday and he was even unable to close the batch of transactions that did go through.

2) One LTL shipper suddenly issued a policy of refusal to carry vape products. Pallets that were sitting there ready for shipping are now stuck.

3) Some vape businesses have been dropped from their business insurance policies.

4) One vape shop was just notified that their transactions will be processed, but they will have to pay a $500 per month fee and the first month’s fee will be deducted at the end of March.

The crushing out of the industry is intensifying.



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How is this even legal? Why? How can a cc company refuse to process a transaction for legal products from legal businesses????
 
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All Good Points, but the sad part is, they way they passed that bill and all of the garbage that was included that didn't have to do with relief is sickening, and that goes for all three packages they have passed. That bill was going to pass, no matter what. I wish more people paid attention to the pork and unrelated items that are included in bills and made the politicians that vote for them pay a price by Specifically not getting reelected, but it doesn't happen that way. I will not be voting for them, but then again, I didn't vote for them the first time around.

The folks we have in office now, and for the past decade, do not negotiate or compromise, it doesn't matter which side of the isle they sit on. IMO this is the problem with our government.

They all need term limits.
I ultimately blame the voter. We're the ones who keep re-electing these losers.
 

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How is this even legal? Why? How can a cc company refuse to process a transaction for legal products from legal businesses????

CC Companies / Insurance, etc, are completely free to choose who they will do business with / or not .. that's part of Democracy ..
 

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How is this even legal?

I'll tell you how. Very simple. The major banks that all the credit card processors are beholden to just have to deem ecig transactions "forbidden" instead of "high risk" (which is what they are classified as presently). Instant ban of any product. Only way to reverse is to have deeper pockets than them (good luck).

It's easy and simple. There is no legislation need. The big banks call all the shots in credit card processing.
 

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Didn't PayPal already do that awhile back?

Paypal only did this because as a 3rd party processor they are not allowed to accept payment for most "high risk" product transactions. Paypal is behonden to their processor who is beholden o the big banks. Same with all other 3rd party processors.
 

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I just got 2 liters of 100mg/ml nicotine. That and the 1 liter I have in the freezer should last about 5 years. I was prepping for years by buying all the coils(on sale, only) I could afford. And actually have about 100 coils and 20 rebuildable ones. To say I will be good to go is nice. If I cut down the nic in my juice it may last longer then 5 years. As I use 19w in a protank, the coils last me 4 to 5 months. I saw the writing on the walls years ago. Vaping has been a lifesaver for me. By the time I run out of juice, I hope that some form of juice will be appoved and available for me. So, good luck to all in the coming years.
 

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CC Companies / Insurance, etc, are completely free to choose who they will do business with / or not .. that's part of Democracy ..

CC companies are in the business of making money. You can buy cigarettes with your credit card anywhere in the world. And booze. I just don't get it. This is America?
 
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