US Vape Mail Ban - USPS/FedEx/UPS/DHL

[YoursTruli]

Now here is a new question - Some states have completely outlawed online sales of vape products.

Now can dealers issue catalogs you can buy from and/or can you place orders over the phone???
Does the individual state restrictions on online purchase extend to catalog and/or phone sales?
I'm assuming that there will be legal ways, which there already are in many places, to ship without the USPS.

(Most all) Vape shops quit shipping to states that ban it including shipping flavored eliquid to states with flavor bans. They do not want to break the law and face enforcement, which is a smart business move. While some vapers keep searching for loopholes, smart reputable businesses that want to stay in business and not pay exorbitant legal fees do not.

 

[Vapeon4Life]

(Most all) Vape shops quit shipping to states that ban it including shipping flavored eliquid to states with flavor bans. They do not want to break the law and face enforcement, which is a smart business move. While some vapers keep searching for loopholes, smart reputable businesses that want to stay in business and not pay exorbitant legal fees do not.

I'm not talking about loopholes - I mean 'what is the law'? can they or can't they use catalog mail sales and/or telephone sales? And I mean for those products still legal in the particular state.
I suppose you have to read the law state by state or get a lawyer who specializes in this type of law
- I still keep getting catalogs in the mail for pipes and cigars from when I used to smoke pipes and cigars and they allow for credit card or check and for phone call in orders.

 

[zoiDman]

I'm not talking about loopholes - I mean 'what is the law'? can they or can't they use catalog mail sales and/or telephone sales? And I mean for those products still legal in the particular state.
I suppose you have to read the law state by state or get a lawyer who specializes in this type of law
- I still keep getting catalogs in the mail for pipes and cigars from when I used to smoke pipes and cigars and they allow for credit card or check and for phone call in orders.

You are Asking Questions using Generalities. But want Answers in Specifics.

I'm Not Even Sure what State you are Asking about?

I have read some Legislative Text that uses the phrasing "Non Face to Face Sales" as being prohibitive. Whereas others might say "Online". But may define "Online" as anything that is Not an In-Person Sale.

Yes you Do have to Read each States Law(s). And Yes you do have to Understand what each State uses as a Definition(s).

 

[Vapeon4Life]

You are Asking Questions using Generalities. But want Answers in Specifics.

I'm Not Even Sure what State you are Asking about?

I have read some Legislative Text that uses the phrasing "Non Face to Face Sales" as being prohibitive. Whereas others might say "Online". But may define "Online" as anything that is Not an In-Person Sale.

Yes you Do have to Read each States Law(s). And Yes you do have to Understand what each State uses as a Definition(s).

Last time I was doing research on shipping, I noticed a law firm that claimed it specialized in vape law.
- If I was in business of selling vape products nationally I would go to one of these law firms.
Laws may be open to interpretation.

 

[zoiDman]

...
Laws may be open to interpretation.

Occasionally.

But the Cost of Misinterpretation can be Devastating to a For-Profit Business.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Laws (and regulations) are always open to interpretation. The manipulation of law through interpretation is a billion dollar industry populated by lawyers and presided over by judges. Open any volume of the national reports and it will be filled with the 'opinions' (argued by lawyers and decided by judges) of what a law means and how it should be applied to the facts of a particular case. That interpretation can and will shift over time, sometimes seismically but more often incrementally.

I learned in law school in pre-internet days that there are no right answers, there are only good arguments. I made a good living arguing that my interpretation of a law was better than another's interpretation of the very same words.

 

[zoiDman]

The USPS Is Banned from Shipping Alcohol—A New Bill Aims to Change That

The "USPS Shipping Equity Act". These Bill Titles would almost be Funny if there wasn't such Inequity in the System.

"... It's time fix this Prohibition Era regulation, allowing the United States Postal Service the same access to shipping goods as our private sector counterparts."

Specifically, the bill would give the USPS two years to create a system to implement the law, assuring things like age and identification checks. ..."

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

"Muh liquor, muh beer, muh wine."

 

[MacTechVpr]

The USPS Is Banned from Shipping Alcohol—A New Bill Aims to Change That

The "USPS Shipping Equity Act". These Bill Titles would almost be Funny if there wasn't such Inequity in the System.

"... It's time fix this Prohibition Era regulation, allowing the United States Postal Service the same access to shipping goods as our private sector counterparts."

Specifically, the bill would give the USPS two years to create a system to implement the law, assuring things like age and identification checks. ..."

The Amazon of beers coming soon to your neighborhood.

I cannot imagine a more inefficient form of distribution for a commodity than the US mail and alcohol.

Good luck all.

 

[Bronze]

Got an old friend here on ECF who just popped in. He's juiceless but willing to do DIY. Of course the biggest hurdle is securing nicotine solution. Are there any vendors still selling and shipping nic solution these days? He lives in Richmond, VA.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Got an old friend here on ECF who just popped in. He's juiceless but willing to do DIY. Of course the biggest hurdle is securing nicotine solution. Are there any vendors still selling and shipping nic solution these days? He lives in Richmond, VA.

Give them this link...

List of US Retailers Still Shipping 100mg Nicotine Base | E-Cigarette Forum

 

[Bronze]

Give them this link...

List of US Retailers Still Shipping 100mg Nicotine Base | E-Cigarette Forum

Done. Thanks Junk!

 

[SlowTalker]

Sorry if this old news but it's the first time it's cropped up in my FT tracking. I'd like to know what the specifics are of their "outbreak traffic control." Maybe it affects only certain cities.

"Dongguan City, arrived at the Dongguan Express Processing Center, affected by the outbreak traffic control, mail time limit is longer than usual"

 

[FoolishMortal]

Sorry if this old news but it's the first time it's cropped up in my FT tracking. I'd like to know what the specifics are of their "outbreak traffic control." Maybe it affects only certain cities.

"Dongguan City, arrived at the Dongguan Express Processing Center, affected by the outbreak traffic control, mail time limit is longer than usual"

I can't help with your question, but the fact that it arrived at the "Doggone Express Processing Center" would make me a little worried.

Who needs any more doggone problems?!

 

[puffon]

Sorry if this old news but it's the first time it's cropped up in my FT tracking. I'd like to know what the specifics are of their "outbreak traffic control." Maybe it affects only certain cities.

"Dongguan City, arrived at the Dongguan Express Processing Center, affected by the outbreak traffic control, mail time limit is longer than usual"

I got the same message coming out of Guangzhou:
"Guangzhou City, Guangzhou International Mail Processing Center has been exported straight, affected by the outbreak, overseas postal processing capacity is insufficient, mail processing and delivery time limit may be extended"
Most likely a C-19 disclaimer or China has released another virus on the world and hasn't told anybody yet.

 

[Territoo]

I'm only getting those messages with my FT orders. My Sourcemore order has traveled through China just fine and is already stateside.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

I have 2 packages from FT in the pipeline, both using the free epacket option this time.

Neither one of them shows this covid outbreak thing in the tracking. At least not on 17track.

The one that shipped first has been "Arriving Los Angeles" twice now, 6 days apart

2021-06-22 09:02
洛杉矶, 到达 洛杉矶
(translation: Los Angeles, arriving Los Angeles)

2021-06-16 14:17
洛杉矶, 到达 洛杉矶
(translation: Los Angeles, arriving Los Angeles)

2021-06-13 03:07
深圳, 离开 深圳
(translation: Shenzhen, leaving Shenzhen)

2021-06-13 01:15
深圳, 到达 深圳
(translation: Shenzhen, leaving Shenzhen)

2021-06-12 17:57
东莞市, 到达【东莞速递处理中心】
(translation: Dongguan City, arrive at【Dongguan Express Delivery Center)

2021-06-12 17:56
东莞市, 离开【东莞国际营业部】，下一站【深圳市】
(translation: Dongguan City, leave [Dongguan International Sales Department], next stop [Shenzhen])

2021-06-12 17:45
东莞市, 【东莞国际营业部】已收寄，揽投员：何武，电话
(translation: Dongguan City, [Dongguan International Sales Department] has been received and mailed, soliciting investors: He Wu, phone )

 

[Z-Lee]

The one that shipped first has been "Arriving Los Angeles" twice now, 6 days apart

I've had this happen to several of my packages, lol. Only in LA too. Not in Illinois or in New York.

 

[Z-Lee]

I'm only getting those messages with my FT orders. My Sourcemore order has traveled through China just fine and is already stateside.

I'm only getting them on packages that have been sent through Guangzhou. Everything sent through Dongguan mentions nothing about it. Have 3 from both of those locations to verify that - all from FT. I also have an order from HC and SourceMore being sent through Shenzhen, and neither of those orders mention anything about COVID. So it looks like whatever mail option is sending stuff through Guangzhou would be the culprit. Also, definitely not by coincidence, all 3 of the shipping labels starting with "AQ" are being sent through Dongguan, and the other 3 labels starting with "LY" are being shipped through Guangzhou.

 

[Z-Lee]

Sorry if this old news but it's the first time it's cropped up in my FT tracking. I'd like to know what the specifics are of their "outbreak traffic control." Maybe it affects only certain cities.

"Dongguan City, arrived at the Dongguan Express Processing Center, affected by the outbreak traffic control, mail time limit is longer than usual"

So weird, I had 3 packages go through there and no mention of it. Maybe it just went into effect. The 3 packages that went through Dongguan are already stateside. But who really knows with these super half-azzed mail updates.