US Vape Mail Ban - USPS/FedEx/UPS/DHL

[Opinionated]

I believe the vape mail ban is only for business to consumer. Biz to biz should be ok

Okay that's cool.

 

[zoiDman]

I do know the answer!
Mine was early and I didn't hear them when they knocked on the door, finally got her getting back in the van and she told me that if nobody is home to sign, it gets sent back.....

That's Kinda what I thought.

Thanks.

 

[zoiDman]

I do have a question.. I checked and x doesn't deliver to my area at all..

Does that mean my local b&m won't be able to get new stock in as well? If off the beaten path b&m's can't get stock in, that's a new wrinkle..

From what I understand, there is a Business to Business (B2B) exemption. But such an Exemption would need to be between Fully PACT Compliant Businesses.

I Didn't drive deeply into the Final Draft. Just sorta skimmed it. Figured the Published Version was Only a couple of Days away. So I'd read it more thoroughly when it is Published.

 

[r77r7r]

Shame, outlawed b&m's here years ago but a few remaining. I'm not paying an online store $15+ for shipping. Guess my vaping days are over sooner than expected.

 

[Vapeon4Life]

You have to order something from someone using x and get denied because they don't deliver to your area

Is X actually a delivery service - or is it in fact a computer program that tries to interact between independent smaller shipping services ???
On one of the orders I received from X the actual final delivery service was by "Deliver It" which is also a smaller independent shipping service - Remember the order started and was listed as X.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Is X actually a delivery service - or is it in fact a computer program that tries to interact between independent smaller shipping services ???

I believe X is more like a broker.

 

[low_tar_neil]

Yikes... That's Not Good. Now I can Understand why there were so many Reports of Orders not moving from Retailers causing Long Delivery Times.

If My Order is the 300th, it will just sit there until 200 More Orders are placed and Processed.

BTW - Do you know what happens if an Xdelivery Order is Out for Delivery but there is No One to Sign for it? Is an Attempt made to Re-Deliver? Or does it just go back to the Sender?

There is a second delivery attempt under the terms of our agreement.

 

[low_tar_neil]

I believe X is more like a broker.

Yeah X has deals with regional carriers and their own air freight to get the parcels into the last-mile networks. We have additional networks signed up that aren't part of X to increase coverage, ultimately different companies will be piecing together their own patchwork of solutions, so not everyone will have the same coverage.

 

[zoiDman]

There is a second delivery attempt under the terms of our agreement.

I Don't foresee a problem. But I would like to know what their Policy is.

Their Support/FAQ section leaves a little to be Desired.

https://xdelivery.zendesk.com/hc/en-us

 

[Bronze]

This whole X delivery thing is kinda wobbly. Hope it can work though if they can iron out the wrinkles.

 

[tj99959]

Oh-well

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

 

[Miles Himan]

Gotta love you... keep on doing what you do.

 

[rosesense]

This is from an email I just received from 8 vape:

Introducing the newest additions to the Alt Zero Lineup...The tobacco-free-nicotine collection! Featuring nicotine not derived from the tobacco plant means this juice can be shipped to any state, regardless of local vape legislation

 

[Oregon Linda]

This is from an email I just received from 8 vape:

Introducing the newest additions to the Alt Zero Lineup...The tobacco-free-nicotine collection! Featuring nicotine not derived from the tobacco plant means this juice can be shipped to any state, regardless of local vape legislation

They might want to check that with their lawyer.

 

[Territoo]

They might want to check that with their lawyer.

Agree

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

Source: Text - S.1253 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): Preventing Online Sales of E-Cigarettes to Children Act

...“(7) ELECTRONIC NICOTINE DELIVERY SYSTEM.—The term ‘electronic nicotine delivery system’—​

“(A) means any electronic device that, through an aerosolized solution, delivers nicotine, flavor, or any other substance to the user inhaling from the device;

Not only does the law not differentiate types of nicotine, it say "any other substance", which covers anything and anything - even water & air.

I hope they can find a way out with TFN, but I won't hold my breath (unless I'm vaping somewhere where I know it isn't allowed lol)

 

[zoiDman]

This is from an email I just received from 8 vape:

Introducing the newest additions to the Alt Zero Lineup...The tobacco-free-nicotine collection! Featuring nicotine not derived from the tobacco plant means this juice can be shipped to any state, regardless of local vape legislation

When they refer to Shipping, they may mean a Non-USPS shipping method.

 

[rosesense]

When they refer to Shipping, they may mean a Non-USPS shipping method.

Maybe, but without a PMTA would that even work? If they can deem zero nic liquids, I don't see how this would fly. I didn't read too closely. I just thought it was interesting.

 

[zoiDman]

Maybe, but without a PMTA would that even work? If they can deem zero nic liquids, I don't see how this would fly. I didn't read too closely. I just thought it was interesting.

The Entire Deeming Rule Set is ALL Based on One Simple set of text. And that is "Made From or Derived from Tobacco".

So the TFN people are arguing that since their Product is Not "Made From or Derived from Tobacco", that the FDA can look elsewhere when it comes to Regulating them.

Now I think it is all Short Lived. Because I'm sure the FDA will be able to argue that if TFN doesn't fall into a Deeming crack, then it is a Drug.

But that might take awhile. And the Vacuum is just around the corner if the FDA Doesn't start issuing PMTA's Chop Chop. Cause the Alphabet Groups are getting Itchy for Everything Non-PMTA-ed to be Pulled.

So the TFN people might have a Decent Run until they are Forced to Stop.