US Vape Mail Ban - USPS/FedEx/UPS/DHL

[Unforeseen]

Please bring the discussion back on topic please. If this continues, I will be putting an end to it.

Thanks

 

[CloudyFutures]

Guys. Might want to check reddit for some news. https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic_cigarette/comments/lbwu9s/ups_has_joined_the_vape_mail_ban/

They do a pretty good job of staying on topic. Not like us. I will see if they have something more up-to-date that leads to reputable current info.

 

[Unforeseen]

Please bring the discussion back on topic please. If this continues, I will be putting an end to it.

Thanks

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

SGS

 

[Territoo]

The USPS ban will happen when it happens. It might be tomorrow or it might be 6 months from now. There's nothing that any of us can do about it, except go with the flow. Worrying about it isn't gonna help. Enjoy getting your packages now, and fret when you can't get them anymore. I personally break up my shipments into smaller packages, such that if one is caught, I don't lose the whole shipment.

 

[UncLeJunkLe]

The USPS ban will happen when it happens. It might be tomorrow or it might be 6 months from now.

And it caused a lot of damage nonetheless. There are retailers that anticipated the ban happening on April 27, stopped selling online on that date and refuse to resume shipping even though there is no actual ban yet. They decided to just sell in their B&M stores and to hell with shipping. So in a way, the shipping ban did happen. From what I've seen, the ones who are still shipping are mainly online-only retailers so they have a lot to lose by just giving up.

Look at the nic sellers. Half went out of business, stopped selling nic or stopped selling @ retail.
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/ubs/list-of-usa-based-nicotine-base-vendors.17/

The online vape business in the USA has been affected greatly even without a USPS ban in effect yet.

 

[CloudyFutures]

USPS Will not enforce the vape mail ban.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic...ps_say_that_they_are_not_going_to_be_able_to/

 

[Shadav]

USPS Will not enforce the vape mail ban.

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/electronic...ps_say_that_they_are_not_going_to_be_able_to/

screenshot from the link you provided

and well
from the link provided in that post

Until the final rule is issued, ENDS are not subject to the PACT Act, although they may be nonmailable for other reasons. See, e.g., 18 U.S.C. 1716(a), (h) (poisonous, explosive, and other dangerous materials, and advertising, promotional, or sales matter relating to the same); 21 U.S.C. 843(b)-(c), 863 (controlled substances, drug paraphernalia, and advertisements relating to the same); 39 U.S.C. 3018 (hazardous materials); Publication 52 sections 31-349, 453 & appx. A, C. Regardless of the legal status of any products under state or local laws, violations of these Federal mailability laws can result in civil and/or criminal penalties.

Therefore, this document is intended to clarify the state of the exception application process in advance of the final rule and to provide guidance to mailers interested in availing themselves of any exceptions that may ultimately be made available.

Conclusion
Again, it is emphasized that the Postal Service has yet to determine whether and to what extent any PACT Act exceptions may be made available for ENDS. Nevertheless, mailers of ENDS products may find the preparatory information above useful in preparing for the potential availability of such exceptions following a final rule. In addition, all persons currently or prospectively engaged in the mailing of ENDS products should carefully review non-PACT-Act-related mailing prohibitions, restrictions, and other requirements that may apply to ENDS products, to ensure that their use of the mail system is safe and compliant with Federal law.

 

[CloudyFutures]

screenshot from the link you provided

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and well
from the link provided in that post

Why did the post get 196 upvotes? and the comment you circled only got 32 upvotes?

and what are ENDS?

 

[Shadav]

Why did the post get 196 upvotes? and the comment you circled only got 32 upvotes?

and what are ENDS?

um probably because people didn't actually read the article....that'd be my guess...
I still found it funny

Vaporizers, E-Cigarettes, and other ENDS

electronic nicotine delivery systems (ENDS). ENDS are noncombustible tobacco products.

and unfortunately vaping is considered an ENDS product and not a nicotine replacement treatment/therapy (NRT) product

 

[Opinionated]

Nvm...

 

[Territoo]

Reddit is not a reliable source for news, but gossip and heresay., just like any forum. I could write a post, sprinkled with "facts" , that USPS is not going to enforce the ban. People will like that post. It will get copied to other social media, where it gets lots of likes. Twitter and FB are just the same. Without a reliable source, it's all talk and gossip.

 

[retired1]

Why did the post get 196 upvotes? and the comment you circled only got 32 upvotes?

Since when do upvotes equal factual information?

 

[Bronze]

Since when do upvotes equal factual information?

When Dorsey and Zuckerberg tell us.

 

[CloudyFutures]

Since when do upvotes equal factual information?

I don't use Reddit that often, but I thought relevant information was the reason people upvoted. Are you implying that this guy made 195 accounts and upvoted himself?

I think there may have been some dog jokes made earlier, they were not directed at you. and we did not mean to offend you if we did.

 

[DaveP]

Nicotine does raise your blood pressure though, which in turn causes other terminal effects if not countered properly.

Which is why I worked my way down from 24mg/ml juice to 3mg/ml over the first year I vaped. Kicking the Marlboro Reds required the high nic juice, though. I was a 2PAD Marlboro smoker who went to low tar Merits and finally to a low nic vape.

My health improved significantly.

 

[Territoo]

People will upvote what they like to hear, even if there are no facts behind the post. It only takes a second to click that like button, but it take a lot longer than that to do the research to verify the information in the post.

 

[CloudyFutures]

The USPS ban will happen when it happens. It might be tomorrow or it might be 6 months from now. There's nothing that any of us can do about it, except go with the flow. Worrying about it isn't gonna help. Enjoy getting your packages now, and fret when you can't get them anymore. I personally break up my shipments into smaller packages, such that if one is caught, I don't lose the whole shipment.

I don't think you need to do this. in the first link from Reddit (second post from top of this page), a USPS worker mentioned that they are not allowed to open up any boxes by law.

It is pretty clear that the vape mail ban is going to happen whether it is this year or in 2022. But my question is. Have you and your crime-fighting partner changed your outlook on alternative shipping networks? Do you think that these shipping networks will succeed?

 

[DaveP]

I left this thread 2 months ago and come back to find there is no vape mail ban. When is the vape mail ban suppose to happen?

Lets get my thread back on track! who has got some hard dates for me?

It will come like a thief in the night and be there one morning when you wake up. Those who are prepared will barely notice the change.

 

[Territoo]

They are not allowed to open boxes without a warrent.

The only mail that can be opened by USPS employees is mail sent media mail in order to inspect that the materials inside qualifies for the lower postage rate. Other than that, the packages can only be open by the postmaster or postal inspectors as it's a violation of postal policy to be opened by any other employee.​

Your second question is so rude it doesn't warrant an answer.