Unfortunately thats about where we stand. Allthough Nicotine isnt illegal, there is nothing under the tobacco act that includes e-cigs. We are not breaking any laws. I think the people in the USA are like yeah right if the FDA told them to stop selling nicotine unlike us yessir people. Thats why I think we still see e-cigs sold in malls and gas stations in the states. I think standing up to hc would show them we arent yes men and women and if we flex our muscles and challenge hc, we will see like the USA they cant stop the sale. thats just my opinion.
Vapables: No More Nic
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ALso notice Robs letter was a request, not a cease and desist order followed by legal documentation. Also all the links are 404 not found in the letter, makes me go hmmmm. You want me to stop selling nicotine, get a lawyer to notarize a cease and desist letter. They cant walk into someones house and confiscate their e-cigs and nicotine, all they can do id seize shipments at customs.
Let me put it this way, if fox rights you letter saying please stop watching family guy online its not right. Would you stop? Hell no, but if they have a cease and desist order notarized by a lawyer, then yes I would.
Let me put it this way, if fox rights you letter saying please stop watching family guy online its not right. Would you stop? Hell no, but if they have a cease and desist order notarized by a lawyer, then yes I would.
I just got back from overseas and was checking on what's up here in the Canada Forum. In spite of killer jetlag, I'm reading all I can about this CRAP. I agree with Rachel: HC can't legally do this.
There is an election coming up, people!
HC is a bureaucracy. This means the people and policies there tend to act independently of whoever's in office. Ruling parties come and go like the weather, but the bureaucracies are the ones who run things long term. However, they certainly can be subject to a party's rulings!
Speaking for myself, I don't care if it's the rhinoceros party running in my riding, I'm going to let my riding's candidates know what is going on, and let them know that their attitude toward vaping IS GOING TO AFFECT MY VOTE.
I'll probably impress none of them, but it's better than doing nothing.
Jetlag and Calgary's welcoming weather for my incoming flight Saturday morn made me think that I'd likely skip the vape meet this coming Monday, but I do believe that if the roads are dry, I'll haul my ... down there so we can talk about what we can do together.
Not scared here, just fighting MAD!!
All of our beloved Canadian vendors: we support you, and will continue to do so to the best of our ability.
I don't usually make a fuss with powers that be, but this is really the time. I hope there are a good number of likeminded people to get some attention!
I wonder if anyone has any pull with the Rutherford show??? Someone like Kat on the show would be AWESOME! Adler?? Green??
This MUST BE TALKED ABOUT. A lot of people here don't even know what vaping is. I'd be ...... to find out this awesome resource was taken away before I even knew it existed!!!
There is an election coming up, people!
HC is a bureaucracy. This means the people and policies there tend to act independently of whoever's in office. Ruling parties come and go like the weather, but the bureaucracies are the ones who run things long term. However, they certainly can be subject to a party's rulings!
Speaking for myself, I don't care if it's the rhinoceros party running in my riding, I'm going to let my riding's candidates know what is going on, and let them know that their attitude toward vaping IS GOING TO AFFECT MY VOTE.
I'll probably impress none of them, but it's better than doing nothing.
Jetlag and Calgary's welcoming weather for my incoming flight Saturday morn made me think that I'd likely skip the vape meet this coming Monday, but I do believe that if the roads are dry, I'll haul my ... down there so we can talk about what we can do together.
Not scared here, just fighting MAD!!
All of our beloved Canadian vendors: we support you, and will continue to do so to the best of our ability.
I don't usually make a fuss with powers that be, but this is really the time. I hope there are a good number of likeminded people to get some attention!
I wonder if anyone has any pull with the Rutherford show??? Someone like Kat on the show would be AWESOME! Adler?? Green??
This MUST BE TALKED ABOUT. A lot of people here don't even know what vaping is. I'd be ...... to find out this awesome resource was taken away before I even knew it existed!!!
I for one am spitting mad! I just found this awesome alternative to smoking! I never said I wanted to quit I just wanted a better rchoice. This kinda makes me wonder if hc is bt's whipping boy! Considering how much the govt. make off the sales of cigs they also stand to lose. I just mainly don't understand how the patch, gum and don't forget their darling inhaler is any different, Just people are about 80-90 percent likely to fail, just like BP wants. This whole thing makes me shake with white hot RAGE. 1
I agree and it's exactly why I am saying it has plenty of politics involved.
As always follow the money and see the big picture on who stands to lose the most.
One more tiny detail - the longer we live; the longer they need to pay out pensions and they just don't have the money to do it!
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Couldn't agree more. The US ruling handed down means that Sotera can operate on the grounds that the FDA has no authority to regulate e cigs as a drug delivery device. That was made quite clear by the courts and have to free the formerly seized product.
Because the decision was only rendered on a rule of law, it is not a wide spread blanket. It applied to the case in point only. Now TW is taken them to court (because they have the funds) so they can benefit of the same ruling. Any vendor can appeal a wrongful seizure, but each one of them has to apply for "permission" so to speak, citing the former appellate court decision as grounds to have their product released, providing such vendor has no health claims associated with their products.
YouTube - dumwaldo's Channel
From what I know the information in this video is the legal mumbo jumbo provided to Bill by Citesteamer who is a lawyer with CAASA.
It is ridiculous how HC have failed to explain and justify their actions. They are speaking of not just the nicotine, but PV's as well? Their letter doesn't even make sense or have reason to it. I understand that all of the ingredients in our juice have not been extensively tested for long term inhalation, but analogs have been and they are market approved?? Give me a break!!!
What does this mean? Are they regulating the nicotine or the whole industry? Do vendors that don't offer nicotine have market authorization and establishment licenses?
What does this mean? Are they regulating the nicotine or the whole industry? Do vendors that don't offer nicotine have market authorization and establishment licenses?
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so basically that means that they acknowledge that all of the ingredients in our juice are safe to inhale, except for the nicotine? Or they just have no jurisdiction over anything but the nicotine so that is how they are flexing their muscles?
Its all about the nicotine, hc wants to control it. They want to control how much you get per dose, they want to control how much is sold, they want to control who sells it. Its all about control not health.they say stakeholders can apply for the appropriate market authorizations and establishment licences. But you know damn well, if it the government isnt collecting tax off the product, they will never issue the licence.
After sleeping on it I am torn. At this time a call to action is needed but at the same time our vendors need to be protected. It is time the Canadian vapeing community bands together to fight this.
They are flexing there muscle but really cant do anything more then scare tactics. I have yet to see a vendor get charged, fined, go to jail anything. They dont even write notarized cease and desist letters, just please will you stop.
If being taxed and regulated by HC is what it takes, then let it be and lets get on with it already. I paid $12 for a pack of smokes, I will pay $50 for a bottle of juice. But what justifies this? Aren't the taxes on analogs supposed to be for anti-smoking campaigns and the strain that analogs put on our health care system? They are gonna tax us up the rear end on e-juice for what, research and development? The cost of regulating the industry? Or maybe just to pay our pensions out cause we will all live longer?
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you pay a hefty tobacco tax on analogs
This is ontarios tax breakdown on a carton of cigarettes
Carton of 200 cigarettes. Its outdated, but you get the point.
* The manufacturers' price (as of October, 1997) is $9.69.
* The federal excise duty is $5.50.
* The federal excise tax is $2.66.
* The provincial tobacco tax is $4.70.
* The wholesale/retail margin is about 17%, or $3.83.
* There is a 8% provincial sales tax, amounting to $2.11.
* The federal G.S.T. adds 7%, or $1.86.
* The total price is therefore $30.35.
You are paying $12.86 tobacco tax. Thats the money the government is losing each time one of us picks up a pv and stops smoking. Thats why they are muscling the vendors and trying to get us back on analogs. HC are hypocrites that will only do whats best for the government not me not you, not anyone.
This is ontarios tax breakdown on a carton of cigarettes
Carton of 200 cigarettes. Its outdated, but you get the point.
* The manufacturers' price (as of October, 1997) is $9.69.
* The federal excise duty is $5.50.
* The federal excise tax is $2.66.
* The provincial tobacco tax is $4.70.
* The wholesale/retail margin is about 17%, or $3.83.
* There is a 8% provincial sales tax, amounting to $2.11.
* The federal G.S.T. adds 7%, or $1.86.
* The total price is therefore $30.35.
You are paying $12.86 tobacco tax. Thats the money the government is losing each time one of us picks up a pv and stops smoking. Thats why they are muscling the vendors and trying to get us back on analogs. HC are hypocrites that will only do whats best for the government not me not you, not anyone.
Oh and not to mention the money they lose on the duty tobacco manufacturers have to pay.
HC only advised Vapables to stop, the bark is maybe worse than the bite? Being election time and all HC might not be too motivated to do much other than have an email war.
how can u say this and leave your bar up and active , take it down man dont be stubborn its only temporary and this is the best way to wreck it for everyone
Thats exactly what they are doing stewie, I presonal dont think anything would have happened if vapables kept selling nicotine, maybe a couple nasty emails, but thats all.
Wood, all the information on the bar is on ecf man. stop panicing have a vap of rum or a nice brandy. your sounding like I did lastnight lol
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