Vapelicious?
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Ethan told me he doesn't vape WTA anymore. I wonder why he'd say that if it wasn't true?
To each his own I guess. I don't think I ever got a "carton" of alkaloids in one vape session, but like Dvap said, "I'd much sooner vape that 2 grams of alkaloids mixed down in an e-liquid than smoke pounds of tobacco"--two completely different things. Obviously that is an exaggerated stance, but stated for comparison's sake.
I understand completely what you greeting at, but nicotine is an alkaloid and most cigarettes are not providing 3.6% nicotine or higher, but yet we have eliquid that goes even higher than that--is anyone "encouraging," or for that matter, discouraging super high nic vapers? Is it for me to determine what "people should want?" Actually, I have read many posts, similar to reactions I've had, about just standard nicotine having "speedy" aspects and I can say that I never got that from smoking 2PAD so conflating effects of smoking and vaping is off. It's not relative necessarily and I never said or implied that I vaped that way ("cartons worth of alkaloids in one vape session"), when I had the juice. As a matter of fact, I only vaped a couple drops at the end of the night, or when I had vaped too much regular nic because, once again, regular nic can be very stimulating--vaping too much has completely different effects, at least for me and many others, than, say, smoking too much. I never "encourage"] anyone to vape WTA, but if they're looking for it, I let them know what is out there and what to expect or not to expect. Also, for comparison's sake, I posted about my first experience with Aroma and while it was not as intense, I also had a reaction that was felt.
I have had my last bottle from Aroma for over 7 months and no matter how long I go between trying it, I get nada from it--aside from the good flavor of DHT. So it is not a case, for me, of diminishing returns upon over usage like going up "to a pack a day" and it being "less effective"--I realize that last quote was a play on my quote, but I think the two examples are totally different because I didn't increase usage, it just stopped working. Oh, and I don't mean within the same bottle, I am talking about later purchases.
I am not sure that you can post links to other forums, especially one like that, but yes I have read all of that and yes it was bad--just as that radio show was where both vendors were on the same show (I won't post a link, but it is easily found). I am not comparing personalities, shipping speeds, order fulfillment or even the knowledge of who knows what about what--obviously that is no competition and they both have their pluses and minuses respectively--but what I am doing is giving my take on all that I have tried, since I have tried both. Remember, anecdotal evidence is what it is and I got off of cigarettes with regular nic (though it was a little tough and I do still miss those other alkaloids), so a case can be made for people like me to show that WTA isn't necessary at all--but I wouldn't do that, because everyone is different.
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If I remember correctly the 48mg wta that Dvap made that one time was a special request from Tropical Bob. I think TB said that after a vape session with that one that he had to go lay down for a while. Like I said before, I'm not sure on the mix percentages but I see your point.
Yeah, it was vaped by Dvap and he said, "Normally, I wouldn't touch such high levels.. these are Tropical Bob type levels.. and he's a professional!" Absolutely hilarious! I won't post the rest of what Dvap said.
For me 35 mg is as high as I've gone and that was only for a a little while (short sessions). Extended sessions of super high nic (not even TB levels) is, for me, just as problematic as super high WTA, if not more because once I get that worked up, lying down is the last thing I want to do. Pot of coffee, anyone?? LOL.
Before he started using snus, Twisted Victor said he had tried something like 75mg liquid. I went as far as 48mg but didn't use it regularly. Even the 48mg didn't give me the satisfied feeling that I needed.
Ah, Tropical Bob! One of my old favs. He did go to amazing lengths and down some kind of roads on his quest. I haven't seen his posts in quite some time.
Now see, that is just plain ol' twisted!
Is that even called TH or is that more TE (throat explosion?) 
I'm not going to pm other members to come in here and post, but I remembered a recent, easy to find post from someone who waited with me for our first order. I edited out what didn't apply to the subject:
All I can say is, WTA got me to the point I can do without analogs...and I can now do without WTA...and most surprising of ALL, I can do without vaping for several days at a time, with ZERO 'nic fits'!
However, I LOVE vaping, and a little bit of nic keeps my spirit feeling more settled. Between Aroma and Vapelicious, the latter did 'the job' for me, but I sincerely appreciate BOTH vendors, and keep a supply of WTA on hand just in case I feel that monkey crawling up my back again! That's when I pull out the Xtra high WTA!
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Redrose in no way am I attacking you but fail to understand why you are so determined to change people's opinions. If you and others are happy with the service and product you received then that's great. Like I said before, I have no opinion to give on vapelicious but am just curious as to why someone who is simply a loyal customer and not an associate is so determined. People will always have varying opinions on things and it's really not worth getting yourself all stressed out over.
A case could be made, but I think it would be an injustice to the community. While most smokers are addicted to nicotine, there is a smaller percentage who are just as, if not more addicted to the other alkaloids in tobacco. There are no studies on this, only people's experiences to back this up.
In my case, I started vaping with 12 mg. 18 mg was too strong for me and for many people this is also the case. This is partly due to equipment used, and partly due to one's vape style. If a person inhales vape like a cigarette, they will absorb much less nicotine than a person who inhales vape like a pipe or cigar. It's commonly known that the lungs are terrible at absorbing nicotine through vapor, and most nic absorption comes from the mucus membranes of the mouth and sinuses.
As for people encouraging or discouraging high nic vapors, that answer is easy enough. More and more vendors are only selling liquid with a 32 mg. cap. It's the rare vendor who carries 36 or higher. Even just a few years ago 36 mg. was considered the "high nic" by vendors, now it's usually the 18 mg. or 24 mg. that is the "high nic."
WTA's occur at a ratio of 5% to nicotine's 95% in tobacco. I believe that Jerry has tried to maintain this ratio in his product. Ethan's low, normal, high and extra high WTA ratios baffle me. At what point do we cross a line and say that "X" percentage of WTA is normal for a WTA e-juice and any higher is a "tobacco additive?" Should we as vapers be unconcerned or concerned about 10% or 15% (or even higher) WTA juices?
I'm happy to answer. This thread started as a question about Vaplicious' product. It became something else, as it generally does when anyone asks about it on the forum. I too, have been around since Dvap, and the investigation of WTA. I too followed the discussion on various forums, and witnessed the attacks first hand. They are a large part of what turned me off to Aroma.
And I noticed an interesting phenomena. There appears to me to be a concerted effort to make Vapelicious, and Ethan, disappear. As in, no competition, at any cost. I don't like that.
I believe myself to be fair. I'm honest about how long I waited for my first order from Ethan, and I have said more than once there is room for both and everyone should make their own decision. I post my own experience.
Jerry has an entire forum, that he controls, for post that tell one side of Aroma. He does not discourage Ethan bashing, nor removes those posts, but allows no negative product posts. So when I hear from others that they are being encouraged to post here, and what to post, I feel the playing field needs to level.
And when someone's post implies that I'm the only satisfied customer posting, I posted an also fair comment by someone else.
That's weird. From what I've read on the Aroma Forum, Jerry has asked for people to review his product fairly, and has encouraged people to post their experience with his e-juice, both positive and negative.
As for Ethan and Vapelicious vanishing...He has only himself to blame. He could be a supplier here. All he would have to do is change his company name to something that isn't easily confused with another vendor who was selling product before he was and is a bit more original and ECF would welcome him back with open arms.
This thread started because someone wanted to know what people thought of Vapelicious as a company and it's products. I don't see where the discussion became anything else. I don't care if Ethan is providing liquid mana from heaven, if he doesn't have product in stock and can't meet his orders within a month's time, he has no business opening for sales until he can reach that point.
Alice in Vapeland is a great example of a vendor who could have gone the same route Ethan has, but instead chooses to open briefly once a week and closes when orders reach capacity. People have to wait 4-6 weeks for their order, but they are told that up front, and AiV meets that commitment. Should a "bad" vendor disappear off of these forums, no matter how good his or her product? I believe so.
As for Ethan and Vapelicious vanishing...He has only himself to blame. He could be a supplier here. All he would have to do is change his company name to something that isn't easily confused with another vendor who was selling product before he was and is a bit more original and ECF would welcome him back with open arms.
This thread started because someone wanted to know what people thought of Vapelicious as a company and it's products. I don't see where the discussion became anything else. I don't care if Ethan is providing liquid mana from heaven, if he doesn't have product in stock and can't meet his orders within a month's time, he has no business opening for sales until he can reach that point.
Alice in Vapeland is a great example of a vendor who could have gone the same route Ethan has, but instead chooses to open briefly once a week and closes when orders reach capacity. People have to wait 4-6 weeks for their order, but they are told that up front, and AiV meets that commitment. Should a "bad" vendor disappear off of these forums, no matter how good his or her product? I believe so.
Granted, but I can find numerous links to high nic vendors and as long as people DIY, we'll never know what others are doing at home.
That question should be asked to the man who first did it, namely, Dvap. I don't think Ethan is the one that got that ball rolling.
Now, as far as crossing a line? Some would say that all of this is crossing a line--WTA added to any eliquid, 5% or low, medium, high, or x-tra high. I am not saying one way or another, but as long as it didn't seem questionable for the first, I don't think it should be questionable for the second, or the third.
As was stated earlier, because Aroma has the same level of WTA in any nic percentage and not based on the nic percentage of the bottle of juice, 5% of 12 mg is not the same as 5% of 18 mg and it is not the same as 5% of 24 -26 mg--so one of those juices is either high, medium or low in WTA. Do you know which one is? That seems to me to be the same thing, only no one knows whether their juice is the percentage for which the 5% is based off of.
Oh, and when you smoke, as Dvap said, "we inhale a lot of crap to get very few alkaloids (and very strictly speaking, these alkaloids are crap in their own right). It seem wiser, in my view, to simply vape a few alkaloids to get a few alkaloids." I, once again, don't think comparing 5% WTA in tobacco to be necessarily all that quality of comparison to vaping even 10 or 15% in vape form.
****The reason I choose to quote Dvap is because he is the ONLY one that has posted so much info on this topic from the maker's and vaper's standpoint. I feel terrible about quoting the man as I am almost certain he doesn't want to be used, and I know the depth of the word "used," but he is the best resource. It is not my intention to quote Dvap for my own gain--I have nothing to gain--but to help bring some leveling to the ideas presented.
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Vapelicious still has a small window to win us over. He is only 1 of 2 suppliers. We have no other choice. I will have to try his product unless more suppliers begin to show up then after never being able to order from him I won't go back.
That's one of the best posts I've read all month, Mr. Mann.
Seriously? Man, this posting was hard as hell typing with one hand and rocking a newborn in the other! To be honest, I probably could use some WTA in any freakin' percentage right now. haha. Nah, her smile is all the calming effect I need.
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Do you own a business? If you did, and you were known by that business name, would you change yours because someone appeared on a forum with your same name at the same time you were going to? I don't think most people would change their name. Does a forum have the right to insist you do? I can tho, see both sides of that proposition. I don't know what I would do, and what I would do matters not.
The point keeps being missed that Ethan makes customized flavors, as well as customized wta levels, and it takes longer when done upon order. It is understood with mods, not so much with liquid. For the most part, everyone who orders from Ethan gets their orders within 2 weeks. It's when word spreads like wildfire that he is taking orders, hundreds of people order in a short time.And at those times, people were given notice, and some have posted getting emails about the status. Anyone can also ask for a refund. No one wants one. He didn't advertise anything, people sought out the product. That makes a huge difference. None of it makes him a "bad" vendor. Overwhelmed, yes.
And I say if the other vendor had as good of a product, that's where they'd be instead. A vendor with a mediocre product is not where I choose to spend my money. And it's my choice, no one put a gun to my head to order from Vapelicious. I thank God every day that I did tho.
So, he won't be able to pursue the kind of business he wanted to if he wants to satisfy the demand for his product. He's switching to ready made. If something is out of stock, no one will be able to order it. People will still complain that it's sold out.
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Redrose, I think most of us are thankful for your input. I personally am glad that someone like you is here to discuss some knowledge about Ethan's status and his possible intentions of making good on orders. I now have a small glimmer of hope that one day I might get something from him.
It's nice to know he hasn't just disappeared. So I personally appreciate what you are doing here.
AK
It's nice to know he hasn't just disappeared. So I personally appreciate what you are doing here.
AK
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