Vapelicious?
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Wow. I started one of the most interesting threads I've read on here just because I wondered what violet tobacco liquid tasted like!
Usually I'm a thread killer but I struck it out of the park on this one, lol.
Too bad I have nothing interesting to add.
Carry on everyone.
Mr Mann, is your avatar your own work?
Usually I'm a thread killer but I struck it out of the park on this one, lol.
Too bad I have nothing interesting to add.
Carry on everyone.
Mr Mann, is your avatar your own work?
Holy crap! I thought I was imagining things when I saw you posted. It's great to see you here Dvap. I just have one question. How the heck did you post the word "..." without getting sensored?
Seriously though, I'd gladly do some testing on some more of that 30mg wta. Your unflavored 30mg is still my favorite.I think we all appreciate valid points and objective or subjective opinions based on personal experience. You however, have not tried Vapelicious, know nothing about the percentages involved in either bottle product, seem bent on bad-mouthing a company you have no experience with, and want to post about comments that have no basis in fact, ie: "Yes, Jerry said the percentage matches the levels. I read it on a thread the other day, but not sure which one now." and "one guy was even wondering what he should do that his wife passed out from vaping Ethans juice (??)"
Post away, I have an ignore button.
"..." has never been a censored word on ECF. It's one of my favorites and as good on ECF now as it ever was.
Now, .... is another case entirely.
Well, I swear to you that before you made this post, I was editing mine so as to relent with using your name! I'm serious, it was a minute before! It's hard cause while there is so much info to quote, it can be easily taken out of context, and like my Paps used to say, "text taken out of context is the pretext to a lie." I wanted to not go there.
Yep. It is.
Uh oh! Now I've got you started. Perhaps you could shed a little light on the Wta subject regarding percentages. Also no more of that ..... Word.
I know certain people bring up the "but where's the tests?" question every time WTA is mentioned. Jerry has said that the tests are available to anyone who wants to come to the lab and view them.
Because of non-disclosure agreements with the tester, he cannot make them publicly available without redacting portions of the test (i.e. who the tester is) because of this, Jerry is reluctant to show them to the community at large because he is concerned that people would think he is deliberately trying to mislead them. I personally think that Jerry is misjudging his audience in this case, but there will always be those who see the worst in people, just as there are those who look at the world through rose tinted glasses.
Dvap, I'm not sure if you cleared up any misconceptions in this thread with your post, but it's nice to see you drop in. Kind of like if Jesus dropped in on a sermon and said to the congregation, "You know, Ol' John got this part pretty much right when he said..."
I've really enjoyed reading your blogs.
Because of non-disclosure agreements with the tester, he cannot make them publicly available without redacting portions of the test (i.e. who the tester is) because of this, Jerry is reluctant to show them to the community at large because he is concerned that people would think he is deliberately trying to mislead them. I personally think that Jerry is misjudging his audience in this case, but there will always be those who see the worst in people, just as there are those who look at the world through rose tinted glasses.
Dvap, I'm not sure if you cleared up any misconceptions in this thread with your post, but it's nice to see you drop in. Kind of like if Jesus dropped in on a sermon and said to the congregation, "You know, Ol' John got this part pretty much right when he said..."
I've really enjoyed reading your blogs.
I might follow this one and chime in for a few days then lurk back off into the darkness. Gotta go to work in Germany on Friday anyway and I'll be busy so I'll forget all about this by the time I come back. Heh heh.
As far as WTA strength goes, my own opinion summarizes like this:
48 mg WTA: I tried just a bit of this before I sent the rest off to Tropical Bob. This is the vape of the gods, and only the gods or Bob should be vaping this.
30 mg WTA: Seriously potent stuff.
24 mg WTA: Strong enough for a man, or a manly woman.
18 mg WTA: My own sweet spot. The throat hit and flavor is muted, but not too badly.
12 mg WTA: This one teases. It's like a good side-boob shot. Not the whole show, but enough to say, "Well, that was interesting."
6 mg WTA: This is the one the {edit} peddler gives you on the street, "First one's free!", after that, you gotta pay.
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Rose, I'm occupied by a new job. Left the lab after many years a couple months back. Now I'm on the road most of the time.
As far as WTA strength goes, my own opinion summarizes like this:
48 mg WTA: I tried just a bit of this before I sent the rest off to Tropical Bob. This is the vape of the gods, and only the gods or Bob should be vaping this.
30 mg WTA: Seriously potent stuff.
24 mg WTA: Strong enough for a man, or a manly woman.
18 mg WTA: My own sweet spot. The throat hit and flavor is muted, but not too badly.
12 mg WTA: This one teases. It's like a good side-boob shot. Not the whole show, but enough to say, "Well, that was interesting."
6 mg WTA: This is the one the {edit} peddler gives you on the street, "First one's free!", after that, you gotta pay.
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Rose, I'm occupied by a new job. Left the lab after many years a couple months back. Now I'm on the road most of the time.
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Oh, I just saw this hiding behind...post! haha
"sheepish much?" Odd wording. I would try to come up with some clever retort, but I will let your's reflect upon itself.
Now, as far as you bringing up the scientist experiment vs. selling for profit, that is something that is a good point and one that I knew I left myself open for. Oops. Point to you. However, I think you may have missed my point. I am merely saying that no matter the motivation, I don't think "messing" with the levels is any less insidious if doing it for profit or for research, no? That is just an opinion and not necessarily something that is built upon rock so no need to "carry" anything "on," it would be best to drop it.
p.s. Someone passed out? Damn! That is something IMO one should only say when having a link to back it up. And even then, that is a bit hardcore, almost like spreading gossip, when not speaking first hand. Who knows, maybe it did happen. But then again, maybe it didn't. Either way, I had that juice and looked up at a ceiling from my bed. Then again, I was on my way to bed anyway.
Thanks for this! Thanks for this!
There was just a loud clap outside followed by pouring rain. Once again, I am so serious. I finally can say I was there when. Nice.
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I'd like to see that link too if you can find it again.
Dvap, what triggered the job change? Hopefully it was your choice and not forced.
Dvap, what triggered the job change? Hopefully it was your choice and not forced.
I'd been in the lab for 25 years. I needed a change. Now I fix very expensive and complicated instrumentation when it breaks.
Dvap, did those different WTA levels follow the spread? I can remember (I think) reading that someone, if not you, vaping WTA liquid that had no nic. If those different strengths did follow the spread, what did that mean for the nicotine? I guess what I am asking is, if I wanted a juice at 24 mg or even 32 mg nic, what mg would the WTA be for the spread?
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Not being ECF registered has nothing to do with being "allowed" to have a thread here.
I am not saying you made it up, I am saying something like that, without a link, is mere gossip, period. For you to be concerned about the community, I would like to think you get that.
I heard....
I am not saying you made it up, I am saying something like that, without a link, is mere gossip, period. For you to be concerned about the community, I would like to think you get that.
I heard....
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WTA should follow the spread. Making a liquid with no nicotine would not be WTA as the "W" in "WTA" stands for "Whole". I can't imagine anyone with a liquid containing only the minor alkaloid portion of the alkaloid spread... I know I couldn't make it and I wouldn't want to vape it.
The 30 mg WTA, which is pretty potent stuff, is 95% (28.5 mg/mL) in nicotine, and 5% (1.5 mg/mL) in all the other alkaloids combined.
You must not assume that the mg strength of WTA refers to just the minor alkaloids, it refers to the total alkaloid concentration, I.E. nicotine plus all the minor alkaloids. While WTA is mostly nicotine, the 5% other alkaloids is where the magic is.
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To add something, one might ask, "Can't you then start with just nicotine and add the 5% other alkaloids to get WTA?". The answer is "No" for two reasons:
1. When you extract tobacco, you get 95% nicotine and 5% other alkaloids. Very sophisticated techniques could be used to separate the minor alkaloids from the nicotine, but this would be extremely involved and astronomically expensive. Far easier to extract WTA and simply dilute with PG/VG.
2. When you start messing with the product and changing it, it is no longer WTA. I define WTA as the UNMODIFIED alkaloid spread extracted from whole tobacco. I can do that 'cuz I created the term and I get to define it.
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WTA should follow the spread. Making a liquid with no nicotine would not be WTA as the "W" in "WTA" stands for "Whole". I can't imagine anyone with a liquid containing only the minor alkaloid portion of the alkaloid spread... I know I couldn't make it and I wouldn't want to vape it.
The 30 mg WTA, which is pretty potent stuff, is 95% (28.5 mg/mL) in nicotine, and 5% (1.5 mg/mL) in all the other alkaloids combined.
You must not assume that the mg strength of WTA refers to just the minor alkaloids, it refers to the total alkaloid concentration, I.E. nicotine plus all the minor alkaloids. While WTA is mostly nicotine, the 5% other alkaloids is where the magic is.
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To add something, one might ask, "Can't you then start with just nicotine and add the 5% other alkaloids to get WTA?". The answer is "No" for two reasons:
1. When you extract tobacco, you get 95% nicotine and 5% other alkaloids. Very sophisticated techniques could be used to separate the minor alkaloids from the nicotine, but this would be extremely involved and astronomically expensive. Far easier to extract WTA and simply dilute with PG/VG.
2. When you start messing with the product and changing it, it is no longer WTA. I define WTA as the UNMODIFIED alkaloid spread extracted from whole tobacco. I can do that 'cuz I created the term and I get to define it.
I knew that!
D'oh. Okay, so in that respect, when Aroma says that it's the same amount of WTA in 12 mg and so on, then that means it is the same ratio, or spread of WTA as you call it? Okay then, that makes sense. I didn't get what was meant by it's the "same" in 12 mg as in 24 mg--it wouldn't be the same, from what I gather, but I get how that term could be used.
Now based on that explanation, I can see and understand how anything else does seem to "mess" with it.
I have no problem being teachable.
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