Vaping after we're dead

[godzilla93]

Ok: sorry for the drama in the thread title. My question is: What about vaping as a practice on the long term? What about non-smokers taking on vaping?
My point is: vaping is fairly recent, and for now there is a consensus that it is a great thereat-reduction alternative to smoking (BTW, if you haven't done so yet, please check/join/donate to casaa—CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association). Yet, assuming that vaping is here to stay, what about poeple taking on vaping that are not smokers? What do you think about it? To make it more personal: what if vaping became acceped, and your kids, ten years from now, started vaping, without going through the case "tobacco"?
Personally, I think that vaping nicotine could become a new trend, and that would be okay, as nicotine in itself is not harmful, and IMO psychoactive substances are not "evil" as such. However, I believe this is a subject that hasn't been really adressed by the community, as the obvious priority is vaping used used as a harmless (or at least less harmful) alternative to smoking, and I am very interested in hearing from everyone about this.
What do you think?

 

[klynnn]

I would have no problem with it. There are several states looking to allow (OTHER STUFF) for med reasons surely they can handle vaping.

 

[xanderxman]

I think, at this point, vaping should be a form of harm reduction and not a new hobby non-tobacco users take up. If vaping is proven to be a HARMLESS form of nicotine delivery then I would have no issue with non-tobacco users taking up the hobby. I am a vaper by choice, in order to reduce my chemical intake from cigarettes. I would not want a child of mine to take up vaping unless they were trying to get off of cigs. And, as I preach to my children, I hope they do not take up smoking to begin with.

 

[Butters78]

I don't mind at all..

Your thread title reminds me I need to watch the new walking dead I have on the dvr.

 

[Los Marauder]

I read this and came to the conclusion that to myself if people put on "the patch" just to get nic, that would be kinda sad. As my Echo is a nic delivery devise, I gues I have to say i would rather people not. You do have a great point about nic not realy being a health isue, and many people use nic as a self regulatory devise for depression ect. Tough call.

 

[The Ocelot]

I don't want to see it become fashionable, although I guess if it's 0 nic, it might become a passing fad. As far is enticing kids to take up a nicotine habit, I have a feeling it would only be kids who would be smoking cigarettes (or other things) anyway. Smoking appears to be becoming more and more "uncool," although there will always be people who like to experiment, and/or have addictive personalties. I'd rather it be vaping. It's also expensive. Even if a kid lies about their age on a web site, how many have credit cards?

 

[Iffy]

My G-babies (oldest 7 yo) have not ever seen me smoke nor vape. Being 65 yy, I doubt I'll be around when the 'jury' delivers it's verdict on long term vaping.

I truly hope that vaping never catches on as just a fad; only as a harm reduction method for 'bakky slaves!

 

[damthisisfun]

I vape cause I dont want to smoke. I am addicted to nico. I would like to reduce nico in my juice and eventually hope to hit 0 nico. If I can do that - I dont intend to continue vaping. I think it is safer than analogs - but nico can harden arteries, increase blood pressure and heart rate. I too preach to my kids not to smoke or vape or do drugs.....bottom line - if you didnt smoke - dont vape..........it aint healthy is it?

 

[zuzette]

Assuming vg/pg and flavor are "harmless" or less harmful than a soda pop - I have no problem with teens vaping. just the act of vaping is NOT a gateway to drugs - any more than a lollipop is. I wish we would all drop the drama over vaping 0 nic.

drinking soda does not lead to drinking beer or doing shots - there is no reason to believe that vaping will lead to drug use.

edited - to cut down on the bs

 

[godzilla93]

Thanks for all your answers. I guess my question is what do we want vaping to be when it becomes regulated (and it will happen): should it be only a quit-smoking alternative, in which case we can expect it to become something that would require a prescription, etc. OR could it become a legit recreational activity? Just putting it out there, as regulation is probably coming to us, like it or not, pretty soon, and it is probably a good idea, as a community, to start thinking about the big picture.
Also, the answer is further complicated by the fact that vaping can also exist independently of nicotine (i.e., o-nic vaping)—although, IMO, I don't see anything wrong with nicotine: no more that caffeine or theine for example.

edited - although nicotine might be more addictive than caffeine? (doctor's opinion needed...)

 

[damthisisfun]

I guess I am different. I dont think I would vape had I been a non smoker. I dont see the point in vaping 0 nic for a non smoker. Wonder how many non smokers vape 0 nico? I agree -regulation is coming. I dont want it - but it is better than a ban. I doubt one would require a prescription - patches and gums dont require one anymore. Or maybe we should do what some other folks here are doing - stock up on a few years supply of nico, juice, bats, carto etc....lol

 

[DaveyC]

I am really interested to see, if in the future, when kids see people vaping, if they are going to take it up like they take up cigarettes. I personally think it would be way more difficult, because they don't just go to the corner store and buy a pack, they have to buy all the accessories and learn how to use them. If somehow that happens, I am very interested to see!

Either way Vaping>>>>>>>Analogs

 

[AttyPops]

Vaping is a pain in the ..... For an addict like me, it's a relief. For a non-smoker....probably too much hassle for most of em. There will be exceptions and you can find threads to that effect.

It's a free country. Like has been said above, it's better than smoking. I also think it isn't quite as addicting as tobacco with all the other stuff in it. However, I can't really tell since I was previously addicted to cigs. Someone that wasn't (particularly someone that wasn't around 2nd hand smoke either) may be able to put it down easier BUT I'M GUESSING and I don't want anyone to assume it's safe or easy to quit because I say that.

Also, one good thing about e-cigs is the option of 0 nic juice.

One of the challenges of e-cigs is that it's a lot harder to detect their use among kids....no smell. Then again, IDK how you'd detect use of NRT stuff either. Only way to detect e-cigs/NRT's is finding them. USE (say at a party for example) can't be detected without testing.

 

[MorpheusPA]

If it came down to a younger person's decision to either smoke or vape? Vape, no question.

 

[godzilla93]

I guess I wanted to find a response to the obvious argument, that will no doubt come into the coming debate around ecig regulation etc.: "it's okay as a therapeutic tool to help people quit smoking, but we have to protect the kids", etc. I know that, personally, vaping has helped me kick out a 20-years 1-pack-a-day smoking habit. Yet, my goal is not to quit vaping: I hope to be able to continue enjoying vaping until I die (or grow tired of it), and I don't see why it couldn't become a legit recreational activity (at least for 18+ responsible adults). Thus I'm thinking the harm-reduction angle is good, but for me it is not the whole story: vaping could (should?) be enjoyed for its own sake, as it does not seem to present much negative effects, be it for the vaper or for his/her surroundings. But I don't know, maybe this is a little premature: the most important thing right now is probably to make sure that the current generation of vapers (i.e., mostly ex-smokers) can keep enjoying their new habit (again: casaa!)

 

[RPadTV]

nicotine in itself is not harmful

That's actually not true. There are assorted dangers to any form of nicotine.

Personally, I'm trying to vape my way to 0-nicotine liquids some time in 2013.

 

[godzilla93]

That's actually not true. There are assorted dangers to any form of nicotine.

Could you develop on that point? I would be interested in learning about these dangers (no sarcasm here, I'm genuinely interested).

 

[Neloish]

I think dangers is a bit strong. Nicotine by itself has a temporary vasoconstricting effect on your blood vessels the same kind caffeine does. It important to note that this is not worse then caffeine. Also Nicotine has been shown to inhibit cell death. Which means if you have cancer already then it can help prevent it from self destructing.

However, nicotine has also been show to reduce Parkinson, alzheimer's disease, help improve brain function, and help manage depression. Most studies on nicotine are from smoking, nicotine also is much safer.

To put it in prospective a night of heavy drinking will probably do more harm to your body then a year of vaping. I personally enjoy nicotine, and I love vaping so i personally see no reason to stop with the evidence we have available at this time.

 

[vsummer1]

Ever hear of Hookah? Quite popular around here with the younger generation, even among those who don't smoke cigarettes. In fact, when I am asked about what mine is, I just tell them it is a portable hookah.

 

[RPadTV]

Could you develop on that point? I would be interested in learning about these dangers (no sarcasm here, I'm genuinely interested).

Neloish brought up some great points. Nicotine has been linked with birth defects, psoriasis, microvascular injury, etc. Wikipedia has some basic information. All that said, I believe vaping is exponentially better for you than tobacco cigarettes or, as Neloish brought up, heavy drinking. The line that I tell my friends is, "Vaping isn't good for you, but it's way better for you than cigarettes." Please keep in mind that I'm not advocating it (need a disclaimer for safet).