Vaping and fatty liver
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I had/have NAFLD, mostly due to carbs/sugar. And it was from drinking a 2 liter of sugar-soda per day, plus the rest of my diet. There's two general types, and you may have the OTHER type of FLD.
Still, I'd avoid too much carbs/sugar in the diet, particularly HFCS but all of them in general. I can't speak to the e-cig specific stuff, and some of them may act similar to alcohols.
Testing and monitoring should show your trends as improving or not, though. The amount you vape is an issue, for example I only vape about 4.5 ml per day. IDK how much impact that has, sorry I can't be more helpful.
Wishing you the best.
I have a huge family and no one else’s has it that I know of. My doctor told me that enzyme levels were a little elevated , but nothing to worry about or not high enough to go see a liver doctor ( don’t know the name of them lol ) I asked her if smoking affects it and she said , smoking is bad over all . Then we laughed and she said it shouldn’t cause any problems and make it worse. So I don’t see why vaping would but it could or it couldn’t .
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This would be an excellent example to ask a doctor that advocates for vaping. They will know all the answers. Plus not take away from your illness.
Fatty liver is something that it's to be concerned with, especially at your age. I know this since my mother came down with a disease that caused this and she never drank. She was a nurse herself.
The chemicals in analogs are never good, now the concern with the sugars in vaping seem to be not good for your issue. Maybe another alternative way to stop, as in patches etc, would seem to benefit you in my thinking. But I'm no doctor but this is something needed to be addressee by yours or again, a doctor who vapes.
Wishing you better days in your health.
Fatty liver is something that it's to be concerned with, especially at your age. I know this since my mother came down with a disease that caused this and she never drank. She was a nurse herself.
The chemicals in analogs are never good, now the concern with the sugars in vaping seem to be not good for your issue. Maybe another alternative way to stop, as in patches etc, would seem to benefit you in my thinking. But I'm no doctor but this is something needed to be addressee by yours or again, a doctor who vapes.
Wishing you better days in your health.
IANAD, but If vaping was causing high blood sugar levels, you wouldn't be able to fast or to go into ketosis while vaping. I have been vaping for years and I have lost 80 pounds while fasting or in ketosis. I doubt I would have been as successfully with the amount of vaping I do if it was impacting my sugar levels in any significant way.
I've had my experience with this as well - and now I'm believing that vaping is the cause of my own elevated fatty liver levels as tested last October. Vaping wasn't the only thing that contributed to the elevated levels, as I hit a period in life where I ate very badly for a few months. I had a pretty squeaky clean diet before this but overnight went to a crappy one due to a family issue. The issue is that most flavored e-liquids are sweetened with a chemical called sucralose. That is where all of the added sugar in our diet is coming from and what slowly erodes our health: digestion, liver, diabetes, celiac disease etc. I've been switched over to unflavored vg. Do research on sucralose and why it's so bad for our bodies. If you have to have any sweetness in your vape try a drop or two of stevia in unflavored pg or vg liquid.
Yeah, that’s kinda sounds like crap. Sucralose is metablolised like sugar, so it might be possible except that hundreds of times sweeter than sugar and consequently hundreds of time less is used. What you say is functionally impossible. A few months of bad diet shouldn’t do it either. There are lots of other things that can though like really high doses of aspirin or flat out bad genetics.
“I vaped 1/16th of a teaspoon full of sugar a day and that trumps all the other bad stuff” is pretty silly really. For this to be true sucralose factories where sucralose dust is everywhere and breathed every day should have massive issues with fatty liver disease in their workforce. They don’t. Sorry to quash your desire to find a magic solution that can let you eat junk food again, but this one likely isn’t it.
LOL ... just stumbled upon this thread and I find it totally funny as to what some folks worry about....
I mean this site has loads of folks who smoked for many years, then quit, and are now vaping but yet they still worry about what vaping may be doing to them. What's wrong with this picture?? Then you have many members who have never smoked and have always just vaped... Some of them are worried as well.... Well then I have a simple solution for all of you ---> QUIT VAPING if it worries you so much...
I mean this site has loads of folks who smoked for many years, then quit, and are now vaping but yet they still worry about what vaping may be doing to them. What's wrong with this picture?? Then you have many members who have never smoked and have always just vaped... Some of them are worried as well.... Well then I have a simple solution for all of you ---> QUIT VAPING if it worries you so much...
While sucralose might have some negative impact, it does not affect blood glucose levels at all... not a bit. It is not sugar and foods with sucralose don't add any sugar to your diet, but it is 600x sweeter than sugar. I can't see how it would have any effect on fatty liver disease.
I guess the other component of vaping to consider is VG, generally the largest component of ejuice. VG is commonly used as a low glycemic sweetener in food and has shown no appreciable impact on blood sugar levels. As far as I can tell there just isn't a correlation there.
I'm sure you've been tested, but make sure you're not a Type 2 Diabetic or borderline, commonly referred to as pre-diabetic (and if your doctor hasn't tested you already... get a new doctor). Type 2 diabetes is the number one cause of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. If you haven't been tested in a while, please check that out. And if you drink alcohol... don't, but I'm sure your doctor has already warned you.
Mostl likely they’ll just worry about something else then. The subtext of these threads seems often to be “I have made a scientific discovery of great import based entirely on my own paranoia and believe you too should follow the lead of my clearly prescient mental illness”. We’ve already got a president who does that bit.
I think it's a good idea to question vaping. I've certainly given the potential health risk of vaping a lot of thought and will continue to do so. To blindly assume that it's perfectly healthy in every way is a bit naive I think. There is still a lot of research to be done and none of us know the outcome.
This is just plain ignorance, and a very poor troll job. Honest answers to honest questions are probably a better response and a lot more useful. Especially your last line. That's really the best you could come up with to add value to the thread? Fail.
There is still a lot of unanswered questions about vaping and it's better to get studies done now than be surprised in 20 years. Hopefully everything's great with vaping but we really don't know yet. That doesn't mean that while we wait for studies, real studies, to be done we shouldn't continue to question and discuss.
This is just plain ignorance, and a very poor troll job. Honest answers to honest questions are probably a better response and a lot more useful. Especially your last line. That's really the best you could come up with to add value to the thread? Fail.
There is still a lot of unanswered questions about vaping and it's better to get studies done now than be surprised in 20 years. Hopefully everything's great with vaping but we really don't know yet. That doesn't mean that while we wait for studies, real studies, to be done we shouldn't continue to question and discuss.
True, but I don’t think that was the point being made. The post I think he was reacting to was the one where they were SURE that sucralose caused their fatty liver disease and wanted everyone to stop consuming sucralose immediately on that basis. That’s not “questioning” anything. That’s jumping to a wild an inaccurate conclusion and demanding immediate action based on it. Totally different thing.
Hey - I am not trying to tell anyone what to do with this information and God forbid anyone post anything that goes against vaping. Truth is I still vape and love to vape. I'm just posting my experience.
I got tons of tests completed over the past year and as recently as this week completing my second upper endoscopy and colonoscopy trying to discover the underlying reason for severe acid reflux (to the point of passing out because of pain), bloating, fatigue, no appetite and a host of other symptoms. Everything has come back clean and Doctors don't know why I am having these issues since they aren't seeing anything wrong with my digestion. At one time I even suspected it may have been SIBO (small intestinal bacteria overgrowth), but biopsies don't show that.
It occurred to me that this may be a liver issue when 1. I tested positive for fatty liver disease (which I myself didn't believe because I don't drink alcohol) and 2. an acupuncturist suggested that my issues were stemming from liver/gallbladder (yesterday) and proceeded to release pressure points of liver - this didn't completely heal the situation, but one of the symptoms did improve immediately. So all of my medical doctors are telling me that my digestive system is fine (having seen it with a camera, CT scan and negative bloodwork). However, I am still bloated, having acid reflux and having pressure in my abdomen and left side of stomach area. I don't drink alcohol and having a gluten free diet hasn't resolved any of these symptoms. Yes - I had some low grade insulin issues before vaping but the doctor never deemed it necessary for me to take any medicine for this issue and still doesn't. I just believe that the sugar in e-liquids (sucralose) I was vaping previously exacerbated my symptoms and inflamed my liver which is where all the bloating is coming from.
I got tons of tests completed over the past year and as recently as this week completing my second upper endoscopy and colonoscopy trying to discover the underlying reason for severe acid reflux (to the point of passing out because of pain), bloating, fatigue, no appetite and a host of other symptoms. Everything has come back clean and Doctors don't know why I am having these issues since they aren't seeing anything wrong with my digestion. At one time I even suspected it may have been SIBO (small intestinal bacteria overgrowth), but biopsies don't show that.
It occurred to me that this may be a liver issue when 1. I tested positive for fatty liver disease (which I myself didn't believe because I don't drink alcohol) and 2. an acupuncturist suggested that my issues were stemming from liver/gallbladder (yesterday) and proceeded to release pressure points of liver - this didn't completely heal the situation, but one of the symptoms did improve immediately. So all of my medical doctors are telling me that my digestive system is fine (having seen it with a camera, CT scan and negative bloodwork). However, I am still bloated, having acid reflux and having pressure in my abdomen and left side of stomach area. I don't drink alcohol and having a gluten free diet hasn't resolved any of these symptoms. Yes - I had some low grade insulin issues before vaping but the doctor never deemed it necessary for me to take any medicine for this issue and still doesn't. I just believe that the sugar in e-liquids (sucralose) I was vaping previously exacerbated my symptoms and inflamed my liver which is where all the bloating is coming from.
Fatty liver hits about 30% of the population, and is more and more common in our modern times.
Body weight is a factor. Diet (carbs) and amount of food, maybe meal frequency. Exercise helps I guess.
Alcohol is a factor in one type.
About 20% of people with NAFLD proceed to have cirrhosis (from what I read). There is no known cleanses or magic pill that fixes it, but it can be reversed or slowed with proper diet and exercise and weight loss. Cholesterol management and avoiding alcohol are important too. Think more veggies, more exercise, lose weight, give up the sauce.
IDK that the small amount of sucralose, or any other sweetener, in our vape will have a significant impact. But who knows? Different people ARE different to some degree. Then of course on the net you see all sorts of scaremongering about anything artificial, right along side of a host of "natural" supplements and cleanses.
I'm more concerned about all the diet soda I'm drinking with the sweeteners in it. But since I vape unflavored DIY juice anyway, maybe I'm being too dismissive. Just remember that DIY is always an option for us and we KNOW in general what and how much of it is in our juice.
Fatty Liver (Hepatic Steatosis)
Liver Disease Resources, Support and Information at ALF
Body weight is a factor. Diet (carbs) and amount of food, maybe meal frequency. Exercise helps I guess.
Alcohol is a factor in one type.
About 20% of people with NAFLD proceed to have cirrhosis (from what I read). There is no known cleanses or magic pill that fixes it, but it can be reversed or slowed with proper diet and exercise and weight loss. Cholesterol management and avoiding alcohol are important too. Think more veggies, more exercise, lose weight, give up the sauce.
IDK that the small amount of sucralose, or any other sweetener, in our vape will have a significant impact. But who knows? Different people ARE different to some degree. Then of course on the net you see all sorts of scaremongering about anything artificial, right along side of a host of "natural" supplements and cleanses.
I'm more concerned about all the diet soda I'm drinking with the sweeteners in it. But since I vape unflavored DIY juice anyway, maybe I'm being too dismissive. Just remember that DIY is always an option for us and we KNOW in general what and how much of it is in our juice.
Fatty Liver (Hepatic Steatosis)
Liver Disease Resources, Support and Information at ALF
I'm sure you know, and it's just phrasing and you mean it as a list of things, but the liver is on the RIGHT side in upper abdomen, right? So left-side pressure isn't the liver itself, although I understand that you said exacerbate.
Sure - my left side there is the most pressure but tbh there is pressure in the whole upper abdominal area. The smaller side of the liver actually extends over to where the stomach is and is where the pressure resides. I have attached a picture which shows where I am experiencing pressure.
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Definitely one for your doctors! Wishing you the best.
Remember too that your colon runs up and around there (you said you had a procedure to check it, good) and your pancreas is up around top abdomen too.
I hope someone figures out what's going on and you start to feel better soon, @Iamtheall. Doubt if it's the sweetener in your e liquid, but my opinion is irrelevant.
Even though I tested positive for slightly elevated levels of fatty liver disease - pancreatic, liver function and blood tests were all normal - which is why I was so confused about the whole thing. The reason I pushed the issue was because I started passing out from the pain acid would cause. Again, I am not saying that vaping was the SOLE reason for fatty liver disease, but it played a significant part when I hit a rough patch in life. Prior to the rough patch in life, I ran 8+ miles/week, did martial arts, meditated heavily, and had a pretty strict diet. When things fell apart I vaped way too much and ate very poorly (lots of sweets).
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