Vaping and fatty liver
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Would like to see that article you read. Got a link?
You maybe could just take in the vapor into your mouth and not inhale it into your lungs. You'd still absorb the nic you desire, and still get that hand-to-mouth behavior that smoking/vaping satifies. And probably not absorb as much glycol. I don't know for sure, would still like to see that article.
Odd that you'd get fatty liver (hepatic steatosis) at such a young age. Good luck.
You maybe could just take in the vapor into your mouth and not inhale it into your lungs. You'd still absorb the nic you desire, and still get that hand-to-mouth behavior that smoking/vaping satifies. And probably not absorb as much glycol. I don't know for sure, would still like to see that article.
Odd that you'd get fatty liver (hepatic steatosis) at such a young age. Good luck.
Fatty liver is usually related to junk foods..to much carbohydrates and sugars. Alcohol is another. The little sugar in VG will hardly make an impact when you cut back on the main culprits.
I stopped the cabs and sugars a month ago and dropped 6 kgs already, and i'm vaping up a storm. Best of all is my general energy levels is through the roof.
I stopped the cabs and sugars a month ago and dropped 6 kgs already, and i'm vaping up a storm. Best of all is my general energy levels is through the roof.
I think this is link referenced (link purposely broken to avoid ECF rules infraction, please adjust to see article):
https://www .endocrine.org/news-room/2018/e-cigarettes-may-lead-to-accumulation-of-fat-in-the-liver
The interesting thing about this article (which I'm not convinced is at all accurate) is that they are placing the results of high fatty liver results on nicotine and not any other component of vaping. I would think they might focus on VG and the sugars present rather than nicotine.
The 2 other things that make me dubious of the results is that the researchers only used mice missing a gene that makes them more prone to fatty liver disease AND they fed the mice a diet of high fat and cholesterol before starting the testing with ecig vapor (amount of vapor not specified). Also, there was no mention in the article of how the control group of mice fared with the aerosol saline solution, although the unsaid inference is that they were fine, even though they were fed the same high fat/high cholesterol diet. It would be interesting to see how a control group of healthy mice without missing genes would have been affected.
The second thing I question is the amount of vapor from ecigs used. They had a high enough concentration of ecig vapor to reach the same level of nicotine concentration in the blood as a typical smoker. I would think it would be an excessive amount of vapor to reach those levels since , at least in my own experience, it takes much more vaping to reach those levels. This is unrealistic in my opinion.
The above being said, I am not a medical researcher, just a guy with a mod in hand. But this seems skewed and rather questionable. Perhaps those with a better background in medical research, and more complete analysis of the finding, including the control group of mice could shed more light on this.
My takeaway is that if a human was missing this important gene, any lifestyle change would be something to consider carefully, but it doesn't mean that this result could be construed to be a problem for all.
https://www .endocrine.org/news-room/2018/e-cigarettes-may-lead-to-accumulation-of-fat-in-the-liver
The interesting thing about this article (which I'm not convinced is at all accurate) is that they are placing the results of high fatty liver results on nicotine and not any other component of vaping. I would think they might focus on VG and the sugars present rather than nicotine.
The 2 other things that make me dubious of the results is that the researchers only used mice missing a gene that makes them more prone to fatty liver disease AND they fed the mice a diet of high fat and cholesterol before starting the testing with ecig vapor (amount of vapor not specified). Also, there was no mention in the article of how the control group of mice fared with the aerosol saline solution, although the unsaid inference is that they were fine, even though they were fed the same high fat/high cholesterol diet. It would be interesting to see how a control group of healthy mice without missing genes would have been affected.
The second thing I question is the amount of vapor from ecigs used. They had a high enough concentration of ecig vapor to reach the same level of nicotine concentration in the blood as a typical smoker. I would think it would be an excessive amount of vapor to reach those levels since , at least in my own experience, it takes much more vaping to reach those levels. This is unrealistic in my opinion.
The above being said, I am not a medical researcher, just a guy with a mod in hand. But this seems skewed and rather questionable. Perhaps those with a better background in medical research, and more complete analysis of the finding, including the control group of mice could shed more light on this.
My takeaway is that if a human was missing this important gene, any lifestyle change would be something to consider carefully, but it doesn't mean that this result could be construed to be a problem for all.
Fatty liver? I know I'm not being very nice but... I think it's time that ECF devote a section on medical conditions caused by vaping.
You need to address these questions to your doctor. Fatty liver can result from several different issues and it's best to understand what is involved in your individual situation. You should discuss vaping versus smoking with you doctor for guidance.
...or people who assume their medical conditions must have something to do with vaping because... magic?
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Did manage to find the article though. (Googled e-cigarette fatty liver) It’s a single study and the results won’t be released until March. Somehow though they’re also being released now. Or at least parts of it. Apparently they took mice genetically designed to get fatty liver disease, gave them a diet designed to give them fatty liver disease, then gave one group a 24hr/day nicotine aerosol. They did genetic tests on them that imply that the affected mice might theoretically develop fatty liver disease more often. What they did NOT say was whether the affected mice actually developed more fatty liver disease. They DID trumpet quite specifically that this research will be used to attack e-cigarettes.
Lots of research has been used to attack e-cigarettes. Very often it turns out to be BS research. Generally the way these studies go, is they do a test that has already been done in a way that when reinterpreted, somehow implicates e-cigarettes specifically rather than what was found to be the origional cause.These studies are generally commissioned studies by corporations who’s products compete with e-cigarettes.
Is this one such study? Hard to know since it hasn’t actually been released. Nicotine is a vasoconstrictor though, so a constant 24/7 bath in the stuff would likely shrink blood vessels and keep them shrunk. Basically they made the mice wear the patch at night, but did it using an aerosol instead.
This smells a lot like the standard model “repeat a known experiment but add some factor of vaping to make it look more “vapey”. Then blast it all over regular news to create as much FUD as possible.
Me I’m waiting till March.
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It’s because I used to do a lot of drinking 10-15 beers a day. And I used to use the white powder, and opoids. ( detoxing now ) and I drive for my job so I probably ate fast food 4-5 times a week . I’m changing my habits and losing up on fruits and veggies , and not going to drink alcohol for a couple months. My doctor said it could be reversible . I drank every weekend from when I was 16-22. I messed myself up because I thought I was invincible ... until I learned the hard way. My doctor said smoking shouldn’t affect it so I don’t think vaping should.
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I agree with both of you, but I neither am a doctor nor play one on TV.*
*That last bit is a reference to a commercial long before your time.
CCVapes23, I have heard about people who have genetic conditions that actually cause fatty liver. So even though they have changed their lifestyle, their bodies own biochemistry still causes issues.
Theodore C. Friedman, M.D PHD was the main contributor to this work, it seems that he specialises in thyroid problems and diabetes (a few patients have said that he was very expensive, opinionated, dismissive, disrespectful and derogatory). He has no other research papers published, and it seems as though the science used in the research he performed was extremely biased.
Theodore C. Friedman, M.D PHD was the main contributor to this work, it seems that he specialises in thyroid problems and diabetes (a few patients have said that he was very expensive, opinionated, dismissive, disrespectful and derogatory). He has no other research papers published, and it seems as though the science used in the research he performed was extremely biased.
Reminds me of an article I read about dental health and vaping recently. Basically they said how bad it would be for your gums and teeth It would make the teeth softer because of vape being held in the mouth and then dentists would see rampant decay among their vaping patients. They gave an example of a person who vaped but also drank energy drinks. First of all, most vapers do not hold the vape in their mouth. They blow it out. Also, smart vapers drink lots of water, so the teeth get rinsed off. Secondly the average vaper vapes anywhere from 3-10 mls. of vape a day. Some do vape more, but no where near the number of mls. in an energy drink. Which is worse to have our teeth coated in? 10 mls of vape or 355 mls, the amount in a 12 oz. can of a sugary drink? The dose makes the poison! I also haven't heard of many vapers around here suddenly getting lots of decayed teeth and most report that their gums are better since they started vaping.
@bombastinator "These studies are centrally commissioned studies by corporations who’s products compete with e-cigarettes."
Can you provide documentation?
Can you provide documentation?
Centrally was supposed to be “generally”. Ihateautocorrect. Thanks for catching the typo though. As for documentation it’s on this site but unagregated. I’m just remembering all the studies that have come through here over the years that I have read and seen debunked. There have been so many I noticed a pattern in them which I mentioned in the post. The various pieces of research along with their debunking are here though.
If anyone is interested in the article I was referring to google: vaping-and-oral-health-it-s-worse-than-you-think
This was in Perio-Implants, which I believe is a professional journal. I used to work in the dental field years ago, so I still get a few emails from the field.
This was in Perio-Implants, which I believe is a professional journal. I used to work in the dental field years ago, so I still get a few emails from the field.
I'm monitored closely because of family history and me vaping right before they stuck a needle in my arm DID NOT make any cholesterol, triglyceride or blood sugar so high it triggered a red flag on the report or deviate from my previous report. And I vape some SWEEEEEET juice. Mr Good Vape Sweet Lovin'...
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