Vaping can be more expensive than smoking

[Orobas]

Nah, OP. You *CHOOSE* to spend that much on it. I have six years worth of nicotine base for DIY, it works out to about a nickel a mil, minus the price of mixing hardware and safety gear.

At this point I could realistically continue to vape happily for those six years with only the cost of wick, wire, batteries, and the occasional bottle of flavoring being my only recurring expenditure.

 

[DaveP]

+1 on the "Try the Chinese stuff!" front.

I can get Hangsen for around £10 per 100ml.

At that price I don't feel the need to try DIYing (not to disparage those that do - I'm sure it's fascinating. Just too busy figuring out the mods / atomisers at this stage).

Yes, if you go to YouTube and search for Dekang, you will find a tour of their juice lab for Vapor4Life. It's a clean room environment with air lock doors and stainless steel everything. The workers sit at workstations with state of the art equipment similar to a pharmaceutical lab in a large room with fancy ventilation and safety features. All the workers are wearing clean room safety attire and anyone who enters must don the masks and protective clothing, including paper boots and gloves before going in.

This is a Vapor4Life juice manufacturing facility in China.

 

[JColt]

I spend less than what I did on cigs easily except first month when I stock piled. I plan on a wamo or evic and some different coils soonand just started diy juice.

My wife says this: The house smells better, you feel and look better, your attitude and outlook is better, Spend what you need to, It's worth it!

 

[MartiP]

I'm beginning to feel as ripped off and addicted as I did with smoking, as I'm paying more and more for something that provides no real benefit. It's like paying for television. I can't believe people, myself included, pay a business money to primarily be the subject of marketing.

Every now and then I see statements like this, and I don't get it. If you enjoy vaping (or television, or golf, or whatever) then that is the benefit. Whether or not it's "worth" what you pay is entirely subjective. People pay hundreds for tickets to a concert that you couldn't pay me to go to. Are they being ripped off? Are they idiots? No. Because they think it's worth it to them. I think vaping is worth what I'm paying and more. If you don't, don't do it. If you do, vape on. I understand either choice, but I don't understand handwringing or guilt over it.

 

[DaveP]

I spend less than what I did on cigs easily except first month when I stock piled. I plan on a wamo or evic and some different coils soonand just started diy juice.

My wife says this: The house smells better, you feel and look better, your attitude and outlook is better, Spend what you need to, It's worth it!

My wife and I just bought new cars. I vape in my new truck and my wife vapes sometimes in her car, but to smoke she has to stand outside at stops. I won't pressure her, but she needs to embrace vaping and give up the cigs.

One of the big price detractors is the smell of smoke or residual signs of tar residue on the interior when you sell or trade in these days. Vaping won't hurt your car or make it smell bad, especially if you open a window an inch while doing it. There may be slight Caramel or Watermelon hints when you open the door, but who cares about that?

 

[shatner]

That's right, I said it.

$16-$20 a bottle for decent juice? This is getting out of control. That's between 52 and 66 cents per ml. At 3-6ml per day, juice alone can cost nearly as much as a pack of cigarettes. Well, at least half as much in most places.

If vaping is less dangerous than smoking, certainly it will end up costing more than smoking. That's business. It's not there yet, but it sure seems to be going in that direction.

I'm beginning to feel as ripped off and addicted as I did with smoking, as I'm paying more and more for something that provides no real benefit. It's like paying for television. I can't believe people, myself included, pay a business money to primarily be the subject of marketing.

Today, my pay television is going. Next, I need to start more carefully considering my vaping habit. Just a simple cost-benefit analysis. It's not easy, one can start to feel like a major idiot when considering how much money we shell out for things that provide us no real benefit and it some cases the opposite.

A nation of addicts from food to drugs to entertainment.

Um, ok. That still avereages out to $1.56-$3.96/day, the latter on the higher side of things, but cheaper than cigarettes, still (for me [I was a 2.5PAD smoker @ $68 + sales tax/American Spirit Light cartons- 1+/week]). The real ROI (return on investment) is your health and well being which is impossible to put monetary value.

You can always do DIY. It cost ~.10/ml if not less.

And how is vaping of no benefit? Would you rather smoke cigarettes?

Make a monthly or weekly vape budget and stick to it! It'll take some discipline, but I guarantee you'll save money over smoking. Which is MUCH easier said then done!

The cost:benefit can be mostly measured in better health. Personally, I'd rather pay a bit more and be healthy than buy cigs for cheap and be unhealthy and absolutely disgusted w

 

[Big Southpaw]

this is going to sound like a stupid question, but how do you use so much juice? Granted, I am talking about a cart system which I know is not universally loved, but if you have a few sessions a day...let's say 10...and you used 6 drops per session...you probably wouldn't go through an ml per day. That would probably equate to about a half pack a day smoker but would probably cost less than 50 cents. I know, it's a noob question/comment, but I would probably qualify as a noob.

If you vape a lot more than you used to smoke, it's not really a fair comparison.

 

[areinike]

3-6ml is quite a bit. I have a 1.6ml atomizer and it lasts me all day and some into the next. Even at a whopping $20 for a 30ml bottle, that's a dollar a day for 20 days worth. This is a great hobby, something I love and know it's good for me. My upfront costs are out of control, so is with everything else I do - I tend to go overboard on a lot of stuff, but with that said, I have what I like and don't have to buy anything else for a long time. I'm a DIY guy so I rebuild my own attys and mix my own juice. I have PLENTY of wire (like 8 100 foot rolls because I couldn't figure out the best AWG to get!) but it looks good in my box o' vape so I keep them all . Look around, there are great sites, vaporjoes being one of them, they always have good sites with great prices on juice - I've seen as low as $10 for 30ml. Shoot, check out Fasttech, Dekang juices are pretty decent if you're looking for a low cost juice - they take a couple of weeks for you to get it. We're convincing you to stay with it because if health reasons and probably nothing more, really. I could see if vaping was like smoking cigarettes, why anyone would do the switch, but that's not the case here.

 

[volume control]

I pay 18 bucks for my 30ml and use about 1.5ml a day tops. So i get 20 days for 18 bucks....When i was smoking it was a pack every two days at 8 bucks, so after 20 days that was 80 bucks...



I have no problem paying a premium for premium eliquid.

 

[generic mutant]

this is going to sound like a stupid question, but how do you use so much juice? Granted, I am talking about a cart system which I know is not universally loved, but if you have a few sessions a day...let's say 10...and you used 6 drops per session...you probably wouldn't go through an ml per day. That would probably equate to about a half pack a day smoker but would probably cost less than 50 cents. I know, it's a noob question/comment, but I would probably qualify as a noob.

If you vape a lot more than you used to smoke, it's not really a fair comparison.

Different systems get through it at a surprisingly different rate.

I got a couple of IClear 30s with my iTaste SVD. They aren't bad (I prefer the Protank), but they certainly churn through the juice.

Also, might be worth upping your nic level if you're chain vaping... might slow you down.

 

[jerzi]

Get them endorphins flowing, you'll vape a lot less and it's free.

 

[vernhall]

Saving money wasn't the primary goal of vaping and quitting analogs - saving my life was... That being said you can vape a lot less expensively than you can smoke if you can reign in your desire to try all sorts of different delivery systems and goodies... As far as juice goes, like folk have said, get into DIY -- it's not at all expensive and can save you a ton o' money!! Will you get comm'l quality juice on your first try? Probably not, but it's still got nic in it and it still vapes...

 

[MartiP]

Also, might be worth upping your nic level if you're chain vaping... might slow you down.

Conversely, some of us deliberately go low nic so that we can chain vape all day without overloading, because that's what we like. One of the greatest things about vaping is that you can customize to such a large degree. To each his own - vape on!

 

[Odysseus]

Nice responses, I like the controversy.

If I could find flavorings that weren't PG or alcohol based, I would enjoy my DIY juice much more. After learning about Chinese food production practices like fertilizing garlic with human feces..., I'm trying not to consume anything from China. Those that think most of the cheaper juices are good should try some of the better ones. It's hard to go back.

If I didn't enjoy vaping, I wouldn't do it. However, I question the actual rather than perceived benefits. After all, we all are, or at least were and probably still are a bunch of addicts. Addicts are huge deniers and rationalizers. It's a rationalization to say "at least I don't smoke anymore". Many of us have traded one addiction for another. Like snorting coke rather than ..... Because we are addicts, there are a lot of people who would exploit our addictions for personal profit.

Just a little self analysis. Personally, I'm in the process of evaluating and breaking many of my attachments. I will absolutely continue vaping for the time being, but much like smoking, I have to ask myself if I want to be doing this for the rest of my life. Ultimately, my goal is to truly be free; free of habits, cultural norms, desires for material goods.... The way the modern world seems to be going, I feel I receive less and less value for every dollar spent and more and more like a cow being milked for every drop.

In general, I'm just trying to be more honest with myself, trying to shed ego and attachment. I'm overly educated, yet I'm beginning to understand I don't really know anything. I'm at the point where I have many more questions than answers.

 

[MartiP]

Ultimately, my goal is to truly be free; free of habits, cultural norms, desires for material goods....

Ah, but does self-abnegation and ritualized differentness for the sake of differentness then become your "fix" - the way you feel good about yourself? Is pride in and striving for lack of ego itself a manifestation of ego? Just musing, because I find it interesting the rabbit holes human beings (including myself) can go down. It always gets curiouser and curiouser. We're odd creatures, human beings.

 

[generic mutant]

...After learning about Chinese food production practices like fertilizing garlic with human feces..., I'm trying not to consume anything from China. Those that think most of the cheaper juices are good should try some of the better ones. It's hard to go back.

Please yourself, but that does sound like a grotesque generalisation from here.

I'd much rather consume something cooked up by a professional biochemist at Dekang or Hangsen than most of the American or European made 'boutique' juices, often made by garage tinkerers who probably don't have much of clue what they're doing.

I have tried expensive juice, by the way. I like that too, I just wouldn't guzzle it all day then complain about the cost... ;-)

 

[jerzi]

I'm not an addict, I just enjoy vaping as I did with smoking. If I wasn't able to afford the cost, I would give my setup to someone who could and be done with it. The human mind can endure a lot more than we give it credit for, when it's an absolute need for survival.

 

[camaro73]

I rolled my own analogs so that habit was very cheap. I can see vaping getting expensive. Especially with all of the cool stuff out there. But luckily my step son works at a Vaping bar so I do get a discount plus they let you try all of there flavors that way you don't have to spend a ton of money trying to find the one you like.

 

[Ken_A]

Just a little self analysis. Personally, I'm in the process of evaluating and breaking many of my attachments. I will absolutely continue vaping for the time being, but much like smoking, I have to ask myself if I want to be doing this for the rest of my life. Ultimately, my goal is to truly be free; free of habits, cultural norms, desires for material goods.... The way the modern world seems to be going, I feel I receive less and less value for every dollar spent and more and more like a cow being milked for every drop.

You seem to be the perfect candidate for a tiny house or one of those shanty communities that are cropping up. There are some REALLY nice tiny houses out there, but I'm not sure i could "drop out" of life in a reclamation community.

For me, the purpose of life is to enjoy what I can and do the least harm to myself and others while doing it, not denying myself things for the sake of a spiritual journey. Vaping is a replacement for tobacco for me, not a quit aid.

 

[Odysseus]

Ah, but does self-abnegation and ritualized differentness for the sake of differentness then become your "fix" - the way you feel good about yourself? Is pride in and striving for lack of ego itself a manifestation of ego? Just musing, because I find it interesting the rabbit holes human beings (including myself) can go down. It always gets curiouser and curiouser. We're odd creatures, human beings.

I'm not talking about anything like that. The false dichotomy seems well ingrained in the American psyche.

Is stopping consuming things you don't need self abnegation? Is nonconformity ritualized differentness? And, for it's own sake? Does everything need to become a "fix"? Does one need to strive to become less self-centered? How does one develop pride from doing so? Perhaps movement from egocentric to sociocentric thinking is simply the natural course of human development often rerouted by culture bent on promoting self importance?

Is there no middle path?

Do I need to live in a tiny house or drop out of life? Not at all. Perhaps I am dropping in to life, waking up. Am I on a spiritual journey? Maybe. I don't know. Do you? Maybe we are all on a spiritual journey.

Rather than attempting to fit something into an existing cognitive frame, perhaps adjusting the frame can work just as well.