I don't think its going to be banned in my own home. Too much money is involved for tobacco to be banned anytime soon.
If it is then I guess I become a criminal.
Vaping etiquete revisited
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I don't think its going to be banned in my own home. Too much money is involved for tobacco to be banned anytime soon.
If it is then I guess I become a criminal.
I absolutely agree with "Be considerate". However, there's little correlation between being considerate and obeying arbitrarily imposed laws.
“There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”
Walking through Walmart, calmly vaping on my eGrip, isn't being discourteous. Not blowing clouds, about all someone will notice is a slight coffee smell.
The antis started with nothing. They've been pushing us under the umbrella of smokers: allowing that does not serve us. It's just paying the Dangeld
"We'll agree to these restrictions. Now please stop pushing" NEVER works
You know, I recently noticed that my state had a law against "possession of a syringe". OK, I'm a google maniac. It's "possession of a syringe with intent".
Really? I can buy them at tractor supply!!
So for the probably 2 years I had a syringe full of nicquid in a glass on my kitchen table that I used to fill carts............
Had I allowed a police officer into my house, let's just say my car was stolen..... observation alone would be probable cause to search my entire house.
I have a handgun that is a family heirloom and not registered....
I might have wound up trying to contact a lawyer.
The ol' Vaping in Public debate. First off, I'm very protective of my personal rights and I have a strong conviction behind the idea that I'm a grown-up and I should be able to choose whether I want to vape or smoke or drink or whatever. My body. My life. My choice. I don't think this is an odd feeling and off the cuff I would say that 99.9% of us feel this way.
The main diversion in philosophies, as I see it, is where does the execution of our choices impact and infringe upon the rights of others. Anyone remember the days when you could smoke anywhere? Remember when you went into a restaurant and there weren't separate sections for smoking and non-smoking; there was just seating? I wasn't old enough to smoke back then, but I was old enough to know that I didn't want to eat a meal while someone chain smoked lucky strikes in the next booth over.
There was a time in our history when smoking was thought to be not harmful. As we grew and the study of smoking grew and our technology grew we learned that maybe smoking wasn't the best thing ever invented. Today, I'm absolutely sure that vaping is many-fold a healthier choice than smoking. No doubt in my mind. I'm NOT absolutely certain that there are no ill benefits though. Can any of us say that we KNOW because of detailed SCIENCE that there is not some part of vaping that is dangerous? I think it's mildly irresponsible to vape in public simply because we don't know the long term effects.
Even if we discover someday that vaping has no adverse side-effects are there situations that would cause us to refrain? Would it be appropriate to go to an elementary school and vape in-between classes in the hallway? How about sit in the front row at church and chuck clouds to the sky in praise? How about a wedding or a graduation? Would you hotbox your car with kids in the back? I wouldn't vape in these places and these situations, not because it may be illegal or against the rules, but because I think its discourteous.
Here's the other part. I think that vaping indoors, in public, is rude. No matter how great I think the vapor from my "sweet-dark-chocolate-truffle-marshmellow-turkish-tobacco-strawberry-milkshake-pineapple-pear-cream" juice smells there will be someone who finds it offensive. So for me, to be considerate to other human beings, I guess that means I won't vape my SDCTMTTSMPPC juice while in line at Target or Window shopping at the mall.
I think Rat used the cologne example, which is perfect. To me, the folks that vape in public are our community's "over-cologners." Might as well just get velvet track suits and start calling each other "Bro."
My rule of rule of thumb for indoors public vaping is to vape where smoking or vaping are expressly allowed and if vaping isn't prohibited in the area, at least be courteous enough to ask before I "cloud up."
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"Vape to Live, Live to Vape" vapers, please don't be offended by anything I said. Some was meant to be a bit humorous so you guys don't need to come over to my house and knock over all my favorite mods.
Know what I mean, "Bro's"?
The main diversion in philosophies, as I see it, is where does the execution of our choices impact and infringe upon the rights of others. Anyone remember the days when you could smoke anywhere? Remember when you went into a restaurant and there weren't separate sections for smoking and non-smoking; there was just seating? I wasn't old enough to smoke back then, but I was old enough to know that I didn't want to eat a meal while someone chain smoked lucky strikes in the next booth over.
There was a time in our history when smoking was thought to be not harmful. As we grew and the study of smoking grew and our technology grew we learned that maybe smoking wasn't the best thing ever invented. Today, I'm absolutely sure that vaping is many-fold a healthier choice than smoking. No doubt in my mind. I'm NOT absolutely certain that there are no ill benefits though. Can any of us say that we KNOW because of detailed SCIENCE that there is not some part of vaping that is dangerous? I think it's mildly irresponsible to vape in public simply because we don't know the long term effects.
Even if we discover someday that vaping has no adverse side-effects are there situations that would cause us to refrain? Would it be appropriate to go to an elementary school and vape in-between classes in the hallway? How about sit in the front row at church and chuck clouds to the sky in praise? How about a wedding or a graduation? Would you hotbox your car with kids in the back? I wouldn't vape in these places and these situations, not because it may be illegal or against the rules, but because I think its discourteous.
Here's the other part. I think that vaping indoors, in public, is rude. No matter how great I think the vapor from my "sweet-dark-chocolate-truffle-marshmellow-turkish-tobacco-strawberry-milkshake-pineapple-pear-cream" juice smells there will be someone who finds it offensive. So for me, to be considerate to other human beings, I guess that means I won't vape my SDCTMTTSMPPC juice while in line at Target or Window shopping at the mall.
I think Rat used the cologne example, which is perfect. To me, the folks that vape in public are our community's "over-cologners." Might as well just get velvet track suits and start calling each other "Bro."
My rule of rule of thumb for indoors public vaping is to vape where smoking or vaping are expressly allowed and if vaping isn't prohibited in the area, at least be courteous enough to ask before I "cloud up."
NOTE:
"Vape to Live, Live to Vape" vapers, please don't be offended by anything I said. Some was meant to be a bit humorous so you guys don't need to come over to my house and knock over all my favorite mods.
Know what I mean, "Bro's"?
No, because you seem to think that if people don't want you to vape, or if they're bothered by it, then they must be uninformed. Often that is not the case, and it has nothing to do with smoking (as you keep alluding to). I vape and am very informed about vaping, but I wouldn't go to a restaurant that allowed vaping (and if I owned one, I certainly wouldn't allow it), because I don't want to smell someone's strawberry custard while I'm eating, not would I care to see clouds of vapor in the air in that environment.
You, and many others, always assume that vaping is not allowed because people perceive it as not good for you, or that it's the same as smoking - that's a fallacy.
Have you not ever run across someone that stinks of perfume so bad that it is bothersome?? They're not doing anything against the rules or law, but they are only thinking of themselves and are not courteous to others. They load that perfume up anytime they choose and have probably never had a problem either. Vaping, when it's not specifically permitted, is doing the same thing. Obviously, you don't care about that and will continue to vape wherever you choose, but some of us will always be a bit more thoughtful of others.
Like I said in my first post, that will never change.
Boy you sure do make a lot of assumptions about what I think. I don't recall posting any of that.
The only point I was trying to make was that I will not be bound by rules made for smoking when I am not smoking. That's it. Pretty simple actually. Re-read my posts.
And the perfume analogy is lame. We've all been subjected to it. I know it's not intentional and I accept it as part of living society where people are allowed to express themselves by filling the room with the stench of Drakar Noir if they so choose. I just move on - no need to get your panties in a wad.
I love this stuffI wouldnt vape in a crowded resturant. I would vape in a quiet bar. Some places its more about courtesy over rules. I would be livid if someone came into my house and started vaping then told me it's not as bad as smoking. I'm well aware of that but i dont like the smell of your liquid so you cam come outside with me and my (smoker) spouse. We know is not smoking but let's be honest it's only different by a technicality.
I don't blow clouds at all, and, in general, I don't vape where smoking is not allowed. I don't think anything can be gained by stealthing it WalMart or a restaurant. The few times I have vaped with the smokers, it generated polite conversation about what vaping is about. The one I don't agree with is public parks. It's banned there in Chicago. I think if I were to spend any time there I would be stealthing. Oh, and I do vape in my mother's smoke-free condo with her permission.
Yep, just like you will subject (key word you used there, by the way) folks to your vaping and assume they'll accept it as part of living in that society. Meanwhile, those same people, while maybe accepting, will consider you just as inconsiderate as the other folks that subject people to whatever they feel like doing.
For the final time, it's not about smoking rules, although you continue to go back there (btw, that's called circular reasoning), as that's apparently the branch of the argument you can grasp.
Now, I'll let you state the same thing again in another post and I'll wait for the topic to come around again next week.
I treat it like smoking except I vape in my home. I try not to do it in the same room as my kids. A lot of people are outraged by bans but vaping is still new and nicotine is still addictive. I understand people not wanting it around them. So I have no problem not vaping inside business establishments or non smoking areas. I treat it like smoking I am not going to argue it's safer to people and try and persuade them honestly vapor has been proven to be safer but many years ago cigarettes were thought to be safe so I understand people being weary. Also if I am in someone else's house I vape outside. But hotels or bathrooms I will vape out of sight....out of sight out of mind and if the referee doesn't see it then it's a fair play.
I vape most places, higher PG so low cloud formation. I was in a bar at lunch today and my wife was giving me a hard time for vaping when older dude came in sporting a big vamo doing the same. I just laughed.
Just curious, if this debate ends with a shoot-out at the OK Corral on the stroke of midnight?
well isn't this all Emily Post of vaping *lol*
I always love it when there's some new ritual and folks gotta be making "rules" for it...
I'm all for being courteous. But I'm going to continue to stealth vape until I'm told I can't. .most never know or I snuck two inahales in the meat department and finally someone following my grocery shopping path in meats told me "wow that smells great! What is that?" and a "oh" ok..bakery coming up next *lol* you can sneak three inhales under their lovely scents. *lol*
if its a crowded area I generally will refrain..but I'm not going to even begin to tell someone else let alone an adult how to behave. js.
live and let live I say.
I always love it when there's some new ritual and folks gotta be making "rules" for it...
I'm all for being courteous. But I'm going to continue to stealth vape until I'm told I can't. .most never know or I snuck two inahales in the meat department and finally someone following my grocery shopping path in meats told me "wow that smells great! What is that?" and a "oh" ok..bakery coming up next *lol* you can sneak three inhales under their lovely scents. *lol*
if its a crowded area I generally will refrain..but I'm not going to even begin to tell someone else let alone an adult how to behave. js.
live and let live I say.
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