Blu has gone too far.

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EddardinWinter

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You are going to try to say that their isn't a kid in the country that hasn't seen that add?

Not trying to tweak you, but the double negative makes this phrase mushy. You are saying all the kids have seen it I take it.

It really does not matter if they have. FDA is already attacking. See my earlier post on this thread for what they already say. They have only "permitted" the existence of the ecig industry because CASAA sued them and got their proposed ban shut down by a federal judge. They are lying about what ecigs are, and are not. This attack by the FDA was prior to the Blu ad. Blu is trying to increase its market share AND expand the market. More vapors = Good in my book.

The FDA and their statist allies will do what they do, I refuse to be shamed into silence or be told I am "hurting children". Let's call their crap what it is: insulting, intellectually bankrupt garbage and out-and-out lies. Let me see some actual facts to back up these wild assertions, or retract them. They are using their position of trust to wage a war on a product that helps save lives. Think about that and let it sink in. I have never, ever heard of anyone getting into smoking from use of ecigs. I have personally heard hundreds of stories of people quitting analogs with use of ecigs.
 

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You advocate no Governmental oversight on anything .. ?? Really .. ??


Oversight is ok. But not when it comes from the United States Government, because the United States Government has been a colossal failure for my entire life. It is worthless garbage. Screw the government of the USA. They are flunkies and .......
 

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If you are in a struggle for anything right, you will automaticaly be inclusive of people. Mr. King invited one and all and was successfull. In contrast, the "million man march" of Mr. Farrahkan was exclusive of people by name. ie-MAN. 51% of the US is women. It was obviously not as successfull. Everyone is welcome to my personal vape party. Including Blu.

History always repeats. So stand by my side, I'll stand by yours.(hey lets cross the street and see if that guy is just standing alone)
 

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Oversight is ok. But not when it comes from the United States Government, because the United States Government has been a colossal failure for my entire life. It is worthless garbage. Screw the government of the USA. They are flunkies and .......

If not them, then who ..?? As a Veteran and a Patriot, I find your post offensive ..
 

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They have only "permitted" the existence of the ecig industry because CASAA sued them and got their proposed ban shut down by a federal judge.
Just to clarify, it was Smoking Everywhere that sued the FDA, then NJoy later joined in the lawsuit.
CASAA was formed during this lawsuit, as a way to make our voices heard, and filed an amicus brief on behalf of the vaping consumer.
 

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    Oversight is ok. But not when it comes from the United States Government, because the United States Government has been a colossal failure for my entire life. It is worthless garbage. Screw the government of the USA. They are flunkies and .......

    A simple question; did you vote?
    The reason I ask is because more often than not, it's the person that doesn't that complains about the system.

    With regard to our e-cig issue we should be asking for proper regulations from the FDA instead of no regulation. Using both safe equipment and safe liquids is in our best interests. My fear is that the proposed regulations will hinder further R&D which could lead to even safer products.
     

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    IDK. They could end up being our best friend. Lorillard has enough resources to fight the government in ways the 3 biggest forum suppliers couldn't combined. Those deep pockets might just save all of our asses, if the FDA decides to go into full on ban mode again. But based on what I am seeing I don't believe they will. I believe the FDA shot themselves in the foot with this last round of public commentary. I guess we will see. But don't hold your breath waiting for resolution in April. It could be years before this all plays out.
     

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    A simple question; did you vote?
    The reason I ask is because more often than not, it's the person that doesn't that complains about the system.


    you better find something else !! obamanation was declared the winned before the polls in my state were even closed !!
    you know what that means ?? "my" for the entire state i am in, really DOES NOT COUNT !!!!
     

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    This is a transcript of the 1 minute commercial:
    Negative one: I'm tired of being a walking ashtray. Negative two: I'm tired of feeling guilty every time I want to light up. I'm Stephen Dorff. I've been a smoker for 20 years and I just found the smarter alternative - blu e-cigs. blu let's me enjoy smoking without it affecting the people around me, because it's vapor - not tobacco smoke. That means no ash and best off all - no offensive odor. With blu you can smoke at a basketball game. And how about not having to go outside every 10 minutes when you're at a bar with your friends? The point is, you can smoke blu virtually anywhere. We're all adults here. It's time to take our freedom back. Come on, guys. Rise from the ashes.

    How many children are already "tired of" anything to do with smoking? How many have been smokers for 20 years? How many care about not affecting the people around them? How many want to smoke during basketball games or while at bars with their friends? How many feel so downtrodden after years of being persecuted that they can relate to getting their freedom back and rising from the ashes? How many under age 19 even know who that old guy, Stephen Dorff, is in the commercial? He's been smoking for 20 years so he must be ANCIENT and what hit movie has a 15-year-old ever seen him in? So UN-cool, lol! :)

    To suggest that this commercial was designed in any way to appeal to anyone under the age of 30 is ridiculous. The commercial is made to appeal to adult smokers in the only way it possibly can, since blu is legally prohibited from telling the truth that e-cigarettes are a reduced harm alternative. What is appealing about e-cigarettes to current smokers other than the reduced harm? Exactly what Stephen Dorff says in the commercial. ;)

    What would people like to see an e-cigarette commercial look like? An actor portrayal of a doctor saying blu e-cigs are a healthier alternative to smoking? Sorry, not only would that not appeal to smokers who DON'T want to quit (but are thinking they probably should) nor to smokers who have tried every other "doctor-recommended" NRT and know how ineffective they are, but the FDA would shut it down in a heartbeat for making unapproved therapeutic claims.

    To whom do e-cigarettes appeal the most? Smokers who hate being addicted to nicotine and want to be 100% nicotine-free or to smokers who enjoy smoking but know they should probably quit for their health; or worry about hurting loved ones with SHS; or want to save money; or are sick of smoking bans? As someone already pointed out, new vapers almost always come to this forum looking for something that "looks, feels and tastes" as close to their traditional cigarettes that they smoked. Does that sound like someone who was REALLY ready to quit smoking? Someone who wants yet another "medical treatment?" Someone who wants to be puffing on a silly-looking, fake cigarette?

    Lorillard knows smokers and blu knows what new vapers want. They designed the commercial exactly right to appeal to smokers and potential "starter vapers." I'm sure if they could have enlisted an "A-list" celebrity vaper like Leonardo, Johnny or Katherine, they would have much preferred them to Stephen Dorff, but at least he's not as bad as controversial Charlie Sheen or some of those "C-listers" that have been touting e-cigs. Actually, it's probably better that he is NOT known as well by children and more known by adults over 30, who actually remember his early career. ;)

    My only "cringe-worthy" moment is that they do call it "smoking," but I understand the necessity. Smokers want to be assured that it looks, feels and tastes "just like smoking" and to call it "vaping" would be a turn-off. It's a matter of weighing the importance of convincing a few non-smokers it's NOT smoking or convincing smokers to make the switch. The commercial may turn off some non-smokers, but if it converts a few million smokers then the more vapers we will have out there SHOWING those non-smokers the huge difference between smoking and vaping. :thumbs:
     
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    This is a transcript of the 1 minute commercial:


    How many children are already "tired of" anything to do with smoking? How many have been smokers for 20 years? How many care about not affecting the people around them? How many want to smoke during basketball games or while at bars with their friends? How many feel so downtrodden after years of being persecuted that they can relate to getting their freedom back and rising from the ashes? How many under age 19 even know who that old guy, Stephen Dorff, is in the commercial? He's been smoking for 20 years so he must be ANCIENT and what hit movie has a 15-year-old ever seen him in? So UN-cool, lol! :)

    To suggest that this commercial was designed in any way to appeal to anyone under the age of 30 is ridiculous. The commercial is made to appeal to adult smokers in the only way it possibly can, since blu is legally prohibited from telling the truth that e-cigarettes are a reduced harm alternative. What is appealing about e-cigarettes to current smokers other than the reduced harm? Exactly what Stephen Dorff says in the commercial. ;)

    What would people like to see an e-cigarette commercial look like? An actor portrayal of a doctor saying blu e-cigs are a healthier alternative to smoking? Sorry, not only would that not appeal to smokers who DON'T want to quit (but are thinking they probably should) nor to smokers who have tried every other "doctor-recommended" NRT and know how ineffective they are, but the FDA would shut it down in a heartbeat for making unapproved therapeutic claims.

    To whom do e-cigarettes appeal the most? Smokers who hate being addicted to nicotine and want to be 100% nicotine-free or to smokers who enjoy smoking but know they should probably quit for their health; or worry about hurting loved ones with SHS; or want to save money; or are sick of smoking bans? As someone already pointed out, new vapers almost always come to this forum looking for something that "looks, feels and tastes" as close to their traditional cigarettes that they smoked. Does that sound like someone who was REALLY ready to quit smoking? Someone who wants yet another "medical treatment?" Someone who wants to be puffing on a silly-looking, fake cigarette?

    Lorillard knows smokers and blu knows what new vapers want. They designed the commercial exactly right to appeal to smokers and potential "starter vapers." I'm sure if they could have enlisted an "A-list" celebrity vaper like Leonardo, Johnny or Katherine, they would have much preferred them to Stephen Dorff, but at least he's not as bad as controversial Charlie Sheen or some of those "C-listers" that have been touting e-cigs. Actually, it's probably better that he is NOT known as well by children and more known by adults over 30, who actually remember his early career. ;)

    My only "cringe-worthy" moment is that they do call it "smoking," but I understand the necessity. Smokers want to be assured that it looks, feels and tastes "just like smoking" and to call it "vaping" would be a turn-off. It's a matter of weighing the importance of convincing a few non-smokers it's NOT smoking or convincing smokers to make the switch. The commercial may turn off some non-smokers, but if it converts a few million smokers then the more vapers we will have out there SHOWING those non-smokers the huge difference between smoking and vaping. :thumbs:

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    Just to clarify, it was Smoking Everywhere that sued the FDA, then NJoy later joined in the lawsuit.
    CASAA was formed during this lawsuit, as a way to make our voices heard, and filed an amicus brief on behalf of the vaping consumer.

    Your correction is noted and appreciated.
     

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    Post reported as having just too much common sense ..

    You can count on that from Kristen, every time. Level head, clear and concise analysis of the facts, a point well made that is difficult to refute. She part of the leadership of CASAA, and they need our support. No more needs to be said.
     

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    Not that we need another conspiracy theory, but pointing to lorrilards acquisition of Blu as proof that they mean vaping no harm is easily discredited. It could be for plausible deniability. Or even worse, lol, as a poison pill. Promote it, feed the public the idea that ecigs are just BTs latest play to keep our nation addicted to nicotine.

    When vaping is outlawed, BT is once again the only legal vendor of nicotine, and the conspiracy theorists blame BT for killing ecigs, now BT just points to Blu and says " no, we were on your side, we got hurt too. " (wink wink nudge nudge). Collusion is easy to believe. Maybe they drew straws and lorrilard ended up having to "take one for the team".

    Rail based streetcar businesses did not disappear after the advent of the automobile due to consumer preferences. The auto companies bought them all up and then shuttered them.

    [ Note, all the above is crazy talk and I don't believe a word of it, but I'm surprised nobody sees the evil possibilities of Blu as a BT Trojan horse. :p ]

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    Not that we need another conspiracy theory, but pointing to lorrilards acquisition of Blu as proof that they mean vaping no harm is easily discredited. It could be for plausible deniability. Or even worse, lol, as a poison pill. Promote it, feed the public the idea that ecigs are just BTs latest play to keep our nation addicted to nicotine.

    When vaping is outlawed, BT is once again the only legal vendor of nicotine, and the conspiracy theorists blame BT for killing ecigs, now BT just points to Blu and says " no, we were on your side, we got hurt too. " (wink wink nudge nudge). Collusion is easy to believe. Maybe they drew straws and lorrilard ended up having to "take one for the team".

    Rail based streetcar businesses did not disappear after the advent of the automobile due to consumer preferences. The auto companies bought them all up and then shuttered them.

    [ Note, all the above is crazy talk and I don't believe a word of it, but I'm surprised nobody sees the evil possibilities of Blu as a BT Trojan horse. :p ]

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    Except that theory would be completely ignoring the fact that tobacco companies had already been developing and increasing marketing budgets for innovative smoke-free tobacco products (to counter the vilification of smoking and smokers and accommodate their customers) long before e-cigarettes hit the market. E-cigarettes are just one more product - one that is being accepted by smokers in far greater numbers than smoke-free snus, strips, sticks and lozenges - that they can offer their customers as a a low-risk alternative. It's a dream product for them that could replace the lost revenue from people quitting cigarettes in a way their other smoke-free products never could. The fact that e-cigarettes are tobacco leaf-free and don't have the same stigma as tobacco products is a definite bonus, because those millions of smokers who still believe smoke-free tobacco is as bad as smoking are probably more inclined to trust something that is "clean nicotine" and doesn't contain tobacco leaves.
     

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    Except that theory would be completely ignoring the fact that tobacco companies had already been developing and increasing marketing budgets for innovative smoke-free tobacco products (to counter the vilification of smoking and smokers and accommodate their customers) long before e-cigarettes hit the market.

    Agreed! And it's a product that they can advertize on TV and in other places that they cannot promote their tobacco products.

    The fact that e-cigarettes are tobacco leaf-free and don't have the same stigma as tobacco products is a definite bonus, because those millions of smokers who still believe smoke-free tobacco is as bad as smoking are probably more inclined to trust something that is "clean nicotine" and doesn't contain tobacco leaves.

    Again, I agree with you, though it will be up to suppliers whether or not to offer e-liquids with 100% tobacco leaf-free contents, correct?
     
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