Vaping for nicotine advantages?

[sofarsogood]

Yes, nicotine's benefits are obvious to me. I don't need anyone telling me about nicotine the demon drug. Too bad that until recently the only way to get it was filling your lungs with smoke. Now things are different. I'll stop here. This is probably the longest post I've ever made on this forum!

I quit mid November. It changed me. I'm certain there's significantly more nic in me now than when I smoked 25 cigs a day. I'm calmer, less excitable, less influenced by other people's emotions so I tend to be calmig to the people around me. I sleep better, higher self esteeme, better overall at work, I'm keeping more to myself but also much better at dealing with co workers. My hobby is motorcycle skills riding, similar to the slow part of motor police practice. I don't drink because of the way it effects balance for some days. My balance system took a noticable bump up after quitting which I expected but all the extra nic seems to have zero bad influence on my balance. I can't make any claims about what is causing what but the extra nic does not seem to be doing me a bit of harm meantally or physically.

 

[mudram99]

No no no... in biker-speak, the 1%'ers are those who ride in ALL weather! My husband was one of those for years -- no face shield either, just sunglasses and a helmet. If anyone asked him about bugs, he'd just gnash his teeth at 'em, thru that big ol gnarly beard.

EDIT: The only reason he's no longer a 1%'er is because he crashed his bike; while he was in the e-room getting a cast on his broken foot, some [expletive omitted] stole it right off the side of the road! Now we have a nice Chevy Silverado.

Andria

Hey I didn't just make that up YOur hubby might be telling a sweeter side to the story

Outlaw motorcycle club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
One percenter[edit]

"1%er" shown at the Clubhouse of the Bandidos MC, Chapter Berlin
Some outlaw motorcycle clubs can be distinguished by a 1% patch worn on the colors. This is claimed to be a reference to a comment made by the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) in which they stated that 99% of motorcyclists were law-abiding citizens, implying that the last one percent were outlaws.[citation needed]

The alleged AMA comment, supposedly a response to the Hollister riot in 1947,[23][24] is denied by the AMA, who claim to have no record of such a statement to the press, and that the story is a misquote.[25]

According to the ATF they are also known as outlaw motorcycle gangs (OMG).[26]

Urban Dictionary: 1%er
Originated 1947, In Hollister, California,By the AMA (American Motorcycle Association)Describing the Motorcycle Culture & Lifestyle, to the media/press, basically saying that out of 99% of all motorcycles riders, only 1% are Bad,Thus the Outlaw Bikers Gangs were labeled as the 1%ers, Originally the oldest & most notorious being the
HELLS ANGELS!
The 1%ers are a some mean (edited to keep from getting thrown of ECF) muther$%#@$.

The 1%ers have the best drugs.

The 1%ers get all the fine chicks.

The 1%ers know how to party!

Party on

 

[four2109]

CardinalWinds, Do you feel like e-liquid completely replaces smoking for you? Or do you still smoke too? Your situation sounds like mine.

 

[The Dog Guy]

No no no... in biker-speak, the 1%'ers are those who ride in ALL weather! My husband was one of those for years -- no face shield either, just sunglasses and a helmet. If anyone asked him about bugs, he'd just gnash his teeth at 'em, thru that big ol gnarly beard.

EDIT: The only reason he's no longer a 1%'er is because he crashed his bike; while he was in the e-room getting a cast on his broken foot, some [expletive omitted] stole it right off the side of the road! Now we have a nice Chevy Silverado.

Andria

Actually a 1%er is the 1 percent that live and feel like the rules of law don't apply to them, but that's besides the point. BTW, I knew exactly what you meant mosspa as you well understood! YOU got the joke!!!

 

[The Dog Guy]

Sorry Mudram, read from the front to back! glad you posted that!

 

[INKED71]

I never wanted to quit smoking until i started vaping it took about 3 months for me to completely quit. and at first vaping was not enough for me. Now i can be sitting in a vehicle at a red light and smell the cigarette from the car in front of me and now that i have not smoked for a year now it really does stink, I have to admit the smell sometimes make me crave one but for the most part it makes me want to move away from it. I have heard of people catching pneumonia from vaping and when i first started it did give me that feeling that fluid in my lungs but that past and i have to say its not happened in months now if I get tired of one flavor i switch to 1 of 5 backups that are always charged and ready to go. I am glad I quit and 2 of 3 of my sons have also quit and vaping instead of ruining their lungs. and for my grand children to have their parent live longer its a blessing that they made the change too. Have a Blessed vape my friends

 

[mosspa]

Actually a 1%er is the 1 percent that live and feel like the rules of law don't apply to them, but that's besides the point. BTW, I knew exactly what you meant mosspa as you well understood! YOU got the joke!!!

It's a miracle! Someone, finally, understands me

 

[The Dog Guy]

Mosspa and his advisory board

 

[CardinalWinds]

CardinalWinds, Do you feel like e-liquid completely replaces smoking for you? Or do you still smoke too? Your situation sounds like mine.

Thanks for the question, four2109. By way of a small history, I started vaping in early 2009, and while I immediately cut down to two smokes a day from a pack I couldn't shake those two. It was the morning smoke and the after dinner smoke that were the culprits. Sadly, I fell off the wagon and went back to cigs in 2011. This past November I decided to give vaping a fresh start and this time I actually wanted to quit. Not the nicotine...just the smoking.

Again, I immediately (in one day) dropped down to those two same cigs a day, but this time was different, and here were the differences: First, this time I actually wanted to quit. I really can't stress that key factor enough. Second, I discovered the joys of unflavored juice. For me, when I get up in the morning, the last thing I want an assault of flavor. I just want my nicotine. Same with the after dinner smoke. Also, if I have a cigarette craving, the only thing that kills it is unflavored. You know...kind of like a cigarette tastes!

I have been tobacco free since 11/17/14.

 

[r77r7r]

Thanks for the question, four2109. By way of a small history, I started vaping in early 2009, and while I immediately cut down to two smokes a day from a pack I couldn't shake those two. It was the morning smoke and the after dinner smoke that were the culprits. Sadly, I fell off the wagon and went back to cigs in 2011. This past November I decided to give vaping a fresh start and this time I actually wanted to quit. Not the nicotine...just the smoking.

Again, I immediately (in one day) dropped down to those two same cigs a day, but this time was different, and here were the differences: First, this time I actually wanted to quit. I really can't stress that key factor enough. Second, I discovered the joys of unflavored juice. For me, when I get up in the morning, the last thing I want an assault of flavor. I just want my nicotine. Same with the after dinner smoke. Also, if I have a cigarette craving, the only thing that kills it is unflavored. You know...kind of like a cigarette tastes!

I have been tobacco free since 11/17/14.

Well stated. Unflavored F T W

 

[sofarsogood]

Cardinal, I may have stopped smoking the same day you did and now you've reminded me of yet another reason to DIY. It would be nice to be able to do unflavored and the only way to get it is to make it.

I want to push mosspa's main message down the road a bit more. When never smokers use nic patches they don't report withdrawal symptoms when they stop using the patch. I suspect never smokers would have the same reaction to any of the other chemicals that might be tested the same way. So if I notice that a low nic level seems to be making me anxious it's not a withdrawal system it's just another que that triggers smoking behavior. If the phone rings I used to light a cig, now I vape. There are a list of other situations or feelings that do the same thing. The chemicals are just more items on the list of triggers so ,at the end of the day, smoking is dependance on a behavior, not on chemicals per se.

 

[AndriaD]

Cardinal, I may have stopped smoking the same day you did and now you've reminded me of yet another reason to DIY. It would be nice to be able to do unflavored and the only way to get it is to make it.

I want to push mosspa's main message down the road a bit more. When never smokers use nic patches they don't report withdrawal symptoms when they stop using the patch. I suspect never smokers would have the same reaction to any of the other chemicals that might be tested the same way. So if I notice that a low nic level seems to be making me anxious it's not a withdrawal system it's just another que that triggers smoking behavior. If the phone rings I used to light a cig, now I vape. There are a list of other situations or feelings that do the same thing. The chemicals are just more items on the list of triggers so ,at the end of the day, smoking is dependance on a behavior, not on chemicals per se.

I agree 100%, and I'm quite sure this is why the patch never worked at all for me -- I wanted that sensation! I really think my dependance on WTA was primarily because of all the digestive issues after my surgery; the "addiction" part, I had already beaten into submission by simply replacing the behavior and sensation of smoking, with that of vaping, and it works GREAT! This just tells me that I've been self-medicating for years, for my various and sundry problems with IBS, depression, anxiety, etc, and when any of those problems flares up, then I need some particular substance to medicate it; I need the behavior and sensation always.

So far my slow withdrawal from WTA has been uneventful. There was one day, maybe a week after I had dropped from 9% to 8%, where it seemed like I just couldn't vape enough -- but when I realized the timing, I understood what was happening, and just tried to vape more -- the feelings went away, and the next day, entirely normal, and since then, I've had no issues, so I should be fine to go ahead and drop to 7% in March -- and will definitely keep in mind that 3-10 day period when my brain might send me distress calls -- knowing what they're about, makes it much easier to dismiss them.

Andria

 

[mosspa]

bumpitybump bump

 

[The Dog Guy]

Not for nothin...I love Bonita Springs! SW FL at its best

 

[The Dog Guy]

So I've been analog free for almost 2 months. Using anywhere from 12mgs to 18 mgs Nic juice and now I'm seeing memory lapses... Why did you have to mention it...LOL

 

[mosspa]

So I've been analog free for almost 2 months. Using anywhere from 12mgs to 18 mgs Nic juice and now I'm seeing memory lapses... Why did you have to mention it...LOL

Time to up your dose, methinks

 

[sofarsogood]

bumpitybump bump

I'm thinking hard about your point that the chemicals in cigarettes aren't very reinforcing (unlike some other psycho active substances we aren't supposed to mention by name in the e-cig forum) so they are just on the list of ques/triggers, like a cup of coffee, or the phone rings or it's after dinner, or with alcohol... and we use them all to justify the behavior. And vaping works because it mimicks the behavior well enough if it's embellished with the one chemical in cigarettes that is mildly pleasurable and not harmful, plus some good flavors, fun hardware, etc.? And I think nic doesn't just tell me when to vape. It also tells me when I've had enough.

I've been trying to think of some other chemical that could replace nicotine that is not regulated and has similar charagceristics. The only one that comes to mind is caffine and i'm not sure it would be satisfying or be vapable. Now that we have this behavior model of smoking/vaping the range of possibilities expands.

It would be sweet if we could thumb our noses at the FDA by not using anything derived from tobacco.

 

[BlueridgeDog]

To the original post...interesting concept and I tend to agree that I am sharper with nic...but I have never deduced if that was dependance or and advantage of the chemical.

 

[AndriaD]

To the original post...interesting concept and I tend to agree that I am sharper with nic...but I have never deduced if that was dependance or and advantage of the chemical.

For me, it seems to be both; dependence urges me to continue using it, but when, in the past, I've attempted to quit 'cold turkey,' I was so scattered I could barely function. I experienced this in a much milder fashion when I first switched to vaping; still getting enough nicotine to stave off cravings, but not sufficient to gather my scattered wits (or be "regular"!). That was when I realized that since I had ditched actual cigarettes, I needed to increase my nic level, from 6mg to 8mg, and finally to 10mg.

Andria

 

[WoodEs]

OP is awesome. I am contemplating how I can apply nicotine research in my nursing research class, my cohort is in the top tier of Indiana, hand selected by the state so we can get grants from the state. It's still a work in progress, but I am attempting to apply the subjective benefits people can feel such as cigarette addicts who have contraindicated gait, and are stuck with cravings while they are not allowed to smoke in the building, and how a nicotine relief can aid their comfort and be applied in a nursing setting.

Also about the OP, interesting you say the increased buzz with nicotine. Everytime I smoke hookah or my ecig when I have been drinking, I get a woozy drunken headbuzz like I had doubled down on shots for the night for about 1 minute, its an extreme alcohol/nicotine buzz then it goes back to what level of booze I was at prior to.