Vaping for nicotine advantages?
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All that plus a bit of sweet-ish tobacco sounds like what I'm vaping right now.
Andria
I used to trust doctors or my government health sector but once I started vaping and reading it is like a "smoke screen" has been lift up...
I now see all the media bashing what has been a life saver for me with misinformation, but it doesn't stop at vaping; I see the exact same thing between pharma and vitamins, normal banking and bitcoin, I am now able to see the real reach of corporations (tobaco, pharma, nestle etc..)
we live in a really rotten world, still love it though
I now see all the media bashing what has been a life saver for me with misinformation, but it doesn't stop at vaping; I see the exact same thing between pharma and vitamins, normal banking and bitcoin, I am now able to see the real reach of corporations (tobaco, pharma, nestle etc..)
we live in a really rotten world, still love it though
No offense intended, vapero, but I think that corporations should be pretty far down the list in regard to what is problematic in Mexico, right now. I do agree with you, however, that big pharma is a threat to liberty, more so in the US, where you need a prescription for every medication not sold from supermarket shelves. At least, you can enter a pharmacy and purchase non-government-scheduled drugs without having to pay off a physician.
actually the problems in mexico are caused by corporations (illegal but corporations none the least [cartels]) buying politicians but that is another animal
This is one of the main reasons I vape.
Well, that, and something to do with my hands.
I am not even slightly addicted to nicotine any more.
I usually don't even have my first vape until after work with a couple of beers or glasses of wine.
But I have been using, and intend to continue to use 12mg strength liquids for the benefits of nicotine.
And those benefits that I expect to receive are exactly those that you describe.
Thank you for your post.
I definitely vape (nicotine) for brain focus.
I can't say it's THE reason I vape, but one of the benefits that I wouldn't give up just because of say issues with lung function, unless, of course lung functioning was nearing depletion.
I recall during my third stint of going cold turkey (or about 4 years ago), I was routinely getting migraine type of headaches. I never had experience with regular migraines until this period. I tracked a month where I had headaches for the entire day (taking Tylenol often each day) for 14 days out of 30 day month. That was the 'norm' for about 3 months. Still not sure how to explain this, but when I took smoking up, that went down to less than 5 headaches a month immediately. Hard to concentrate/focus on anything when you get a migraine. Anyway, vaping came to me quickly after my 4th time of starting to smoke (again), and while I never have a month go by where I don't experience a headache, it is now in what I think of as my normal range (or around 1 to 3 a month).
Sorry, not really wanting to make this about headaches, but explaining how vaping nicotine is justified, for me, to continue as I imagine if I quit using nicotine, I may experience more headaches and far less ability to concentrate / focus on all things in my life.
If I feel I need to focus and increase concentration, I will generally vape a little more. And usually, I can anticipate this hours in advance, but sometimes it is not known that I'll need extra focus until moments before. Either way it is a bit of a reinforcement factor. And is noticeable because at times I'll go thru my own version of 'too much nicotine, need to cut back,' and then notice, rather acutely, lack of focus/motivation.
I'm in my 40's and have 'senior moments.' Most of the time, they kind of humor me.
I can't say it's THE reason I vape, but one of the benefits that I wouldn't give up just because of say issues with lung function, unless, of course lung functioning was nearing depletion.
I recall during my third stint of going cold turkey (or about 4 years ago), I was routinely getting migraine type of headaches. I never had experience with regular migraines until this period. I tracked a month where I had headaches for the entire day (taking Tylenol often each day) for 14 days out of 30 day month. That was the 'norm' for about 3 months. Still not sure how to explain this, but when I took smoking up, that went down to less than 5 headaches a month immediately. Hard to concentrate/focus on anything when you get a migraine. Anyway, vaping came to me quickly after my 4th time of starting to smoke (again), and while I never have a month go by where I don't experience a headache, it is now in what I think of as my normal range (or around 1 to 3 a month).
Sorry, not really wanting to make this about headaches, but explaining how vaping nicotine is justified, for me, to continue as I imagine if I quit using nicotine, I may experience more headaches and far less ability to concentrate / focus on all things in my life.
If I feel I need to focus and increase concentration, I will generally vape a little more. And usually, I can anticipate this hours in advance, but sometimes it is not known that I'll need extra focus until moments before. Either way it is a bit of a reinforcement factor. And is noticeable because at times I'll go thru my own version of 'too much nicotine, need to cut back,' and then notice, rather acutely, lack of focus/motivation.
I'm in my 40's and have 'senior moments.' Most of the time, they kind of humor me.
When I smoked I used to get a lot of migraines - might not get any for two months and then get three in a week - and these were the full thing, auras, banging headaches and photophobia (sometimes). I also used to get a lot of low level headaches that might last for days.
Since I started vaping all these have mostly gone - I've had one migraine in the last three months which was actually caused my Microsoft - they released an update that borked some of the fonts on my computer - particularly those the browser used, and the low level headaches seem to have disappeared completely.
So that's another health advantage of vaping.
Since I started vaping all these have mostly gone - I've had one migraine in the last three months which was actually caused my Microsoft - they released an update that borked some of the fonts on my computer - particularly those the browser used, and the low level headaches seem to have disappeared completely.
So that's another health advantage of vaping.
This thing about headaches is the one thing that might put a crimp in my eventual plans of decreasing nicotine in the winter to help my cold extremities, because I *do* sometimes get migraines (though they've mercifully almost gone away entirely since I quit drinking, now and then I get the "aura" -- psychedelic lightshow that can sometimes take over my entire field of vision).
Possibly I could go ahead and start reducing my nic level once I'm free of the WTA (which should be this fall, just in time for cooler weather), but if a migraine threatened, just puff on some higher-nic to stave it off -- medicine rather than daily regimen.
Andria
Actually. the reason I titled this thread as I did, was that I suspected that nicotine might provide benefits other than smoking amelioration, not necessarily related only to to cognitive improvement. So, posts such as this are very much in keeping with the 'advantages of nicotine' scope of the thread. Also, this post also provides me with the opportunity to add an additional anecdote that I haven't really reflected on before reading this. I, too, have had a problem with migraines. Also, my migraines are tied to an idiopathic neurological condition that makes me local neurologists' favorite lab rat. I have traditional migraines, but have never experienced an aura. They are severe enough to cause me to need a bed and a dark room for about 7-12 hrs. My real problem with my migraines is what happens to me immediately following the termination of the actual headache. In a post dromal period that lasts anywhere from five to eight days, I experence severe vertigo and nausea accompanied initially by projectile vomiting and dry heaves which persists for at least three days of the vertigo. I am bedridden for the entire period of vertigo during which time my caloric intake is maintained by sipping Guinness stout (seriously, it's the highest nutrient thing I can generally keep down for more than 20 minutes. In my case Guinness is, indeed, good for me
). Anyway, the migraines were more frequent, about 1.6/month (i.e., zapping an average of almost two full weeks of my life per month), but since I started my academic job, they have reduced in number to a frequency of about one every two months. Any number of factors might have played into this that probably don't warrant discussion here. Now to tie into this thread.... my last migraine was the week after Thanksgiving (Nov 28th). I feel I should be 'knocking on wood', here, but Formica will have to do
It occurs to me that I've gone over three months, now, without having a migraine. Over the past few years I've gone more than two months between episodes, but I have never gone three before. The only thing I have varried over that time was my intake of nicotine. So, from this perspective, your post becomes meaningful to me. My wife keeps very accurate records of my episodes, so I will need to follow this more closely, but if nicotine is actually suppressing my migraines, that one benefit is more valuable to me than any cognitive improvement I may experience. Thank you for this post!
I haven't ever heard this before. Which isn't to say you're wrong but just to mention that i truly have never heard this before reading your post.
Will be 56 next week and although I feel and believe myself to be in my early 40s,(j/k) I have increasingly been having moments where by I can't remember a certain word and never once put this down to a "seniors moment"
In fact I would have to suggest your post concerned me, if there is any truth to this.
Do you happen to have any good urls that I can look into this further?
TIA
There's a zip file I uploaded in post #50 of this thread. Also, there is an expansion of the zip somewhat later. I think I'm seeing a significant beneficial effect (still agree that the effect may be placebo), I elaborate on this further in this thread.
Thats typical of any addictive behaviour.
The first time is always the easiest as you don't have any preconceptions of what physical with drawl might be.
Its the same for "Hair-o-win" addicts. (wont let me spell it correctly)
The first time they quit, they often don't experience much more than the feeling of having a slight flu bug.
One of the major reasons ...... addicts can't bear withdrawl and will start to become anxious and then panicky and then downright obsessive about getting some, is the fear and knowledge that they won't be able to sleep that night or many following.
They run out and get the drug quite often just so they can sleep and then the cycle repeats itself and becomes worse each time.
Much of that is the mental addiction more so than the physical, but whatever it is, its strong enough that many will resort to anything to make sure they are calm without anxiety and can sleep.
(much worse than described)
Much the same for smokers once they have gone through one episode of physical withdrawal, it becomes so hellish, it seems to get worse every time. Again the power of mental addiction over the physical.
Nowadays for those that cannot quit "Hair-oh-win" cold turkey or remain drug free there is the option of methadone. Referred to as Harm Reduction.
For many of us that are older, X smokers who could not either quit cold turkey andor remain smoke free, I think of e-cigarettes as a Harm Reduction program as well!
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Thanks, I shall look for it.
As stated, never heard of this before...
Without knowing anything about it what you are speaking of at this point, I am aware of the power of the placebo but believe and understand that the mental addiction is often far more powerful than the physical, hence, that also plays out with a placebo effect but am open minded and will look into this further since i truly am not aware of it.
I knew I forgot to comment about something earlier
While what you say is true about depressants (e.g., alcohol) producing state-dependent-learning, there is negligible evidence that this is the case for any psychostimulant. In fact, back in the day, this was one of the things that neuroscientists provided as evidence that the phenomenology of psychostimulant abuse was different than that of drugs that produce physical dependence. A little thing, but a thing none the less.Am in my mid 50s and was always very healthy despite smoking but like many, around 2-3 years ago it seemed that all of a sudden I was hit with minor health issues, as was my husband. It seemed to happen all over night.
Its one thing to ask a smoker of 20-30 how great he feels when he gives it up but often they are still not at the age to feel the ill effects. Around 50 it hits you like a brick.
Besides all the obvious issues such as heart, lungs, breathing, etc, I was shocked at the number of small medical issues that we did not seem to have any way of fixing nor understood clearly why were were even plagued by them that we now realize were related to smoking, in at least that we could not get rid of them while we continued to smoke.
1 just for example, like many in this past decade, due to UGGs, and a growing preference for sheepskin type slippers many, including the two of us, came down with a toe nail fungus commonly seen in runners and athletes.
Ok, we weren't impressed to discover we both had it and over a 3 year period must have spent close to $500 using a type of nail polish on our toes to get rid of it but it would not go. It would be almost fixed and then we would reinfect ourselves. ( its a huge growing problem most won't talk about)
Although we both were taking good care of ourselves and it wasn't visible on our feet, we KNEW it was there and the more time went on, the more I read that once you hit 50, it is almost impossible to ever rid yourself off and often people never do. Quite depressing.
We quit smoking........we both cleared up immediately.
There were other small issues, healing slowed down as we hit 50 and we will never heal as we did at 20 but again since giving up smoking and taking up Vaping, the healing process has sped right up.
Anyhow, don't want to hijack the thread as its about nicotine for health issues but just wanted to answer your post as to an example of a medical issue millions have and cant seem to get rid of but if two of us cleared up immediately after quitting I am yet to see any medical association of it to cigarettes but believe there must be a connection. It might be as simple as suggesting that cigarettes harm your health but vaping does not. At least I consider this to be accurate from what i have witnessed the two of us going though.
But we both vape at 6mg nicotine so that wasnt the problem.
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After I quit smoking I noticed that my hair and nails started growing faster.
Some may consider that a benefit, but I hate it.
After I quit smoking I noticed that my hair and nails started growing faster.
Some may consider that a benefit, but I hate it.
Too bad I haven't smoked in 42 years. I could stand a bit of accelerated hair growth
Glad I could be of help.
I'm compelled to note, while benefits are up for discussion, that I started a thread asking people about colds since vaping. Sorry to venture slightly off topic, but from that thread's respondents, it was fairly clear that many of us had experienced less colds since starting to vape. Like for me, I averaged 2 to 3 colds per year, whether I was smoker or non-smoker. As a vaper, I've had one cold in 4 years. I would say this was normal among thread participants, but some reported about same amount as always. In the last 2 days, I had fairly strong indication that I may be coming down with a cold, and as I noted in that other thread, this seems like something that occurs say once every 2 months. Feel like I'm getting a cold, yet within 2 days of that feeling the cold never sets in and I'm back to not having a cold. Currently, not feeling any cold symptoms. In the other thread, it was thought the PG (or perhaps VG) was the reason. Not sure. Your thoughts on this would be welcomed.
Anyway, between that thread and this thread, and what might constitute rather amazing benefits, I tend to think the reason Big Pharma shows up as anti-vaping isn't because of NRT's, but because they already know it has benefits which make pharmaceuticals a little less necessary.
After this post, if I post again in this thread, I'll keep it on topic of vaping nicotine.
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