I'm implying that after so many threads like this, it would be about time to see one with pictures too....
I'm still waiting for "the big one" to show up.
Vaping in a Retail Store (Plus, input from management!)
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I'm implying that after so many threads like this, it would be about time to see one with pictures too....
I'm still waiting for "the big one" to show up.
So in order for someone to want to share something on here about public vaping, they need to take a picture of it for proof?
Sure let me take out my phone at work and start taking pictures or people vaping! That can't end badly!
Or at Walmart, let's snap a picture of someone vaping, without there permission and through it online to talk about! That's no way rude or invading their privacy at all!
Right....
I created this thread with *real* and *true* experiences that have happened. I wouldn't have typed up that huge post on the front out of boredom. I wanted to show people what people in the retail think about this stuff, the other side of the argument.
Sure let me take out my phone at work and start taking pictures or people vaping! That can't end badly!
Or at Walmart, let's snap a picture of someone vaping, without there permission and through it online to talk about! That's no way rude or invading their privacy at all!
Right....
I created this thread with *real* and *true* experiences that have happened. I wouldn't have typed up that huge post on the front out of boredom. I wanted to show people what people in the retail think about this stuff, the other side of the argument.
Hahaha, never thought that I would see a 'pics or it didn't happen' comment on ECF. Bravo
You just Haven't been a member Long Enough.
You really believe this stuff doesn't happen? supporting or defending this kind of behavior hurts all vapers. This is why stores ban vaping period in their store. This is why states do indoor bans.
Instead of seeing someone vaping in a store as a positive thing and possibly an alternative if they are a smoker, they see vaping as a negative one because they themselves are irritated that they have to walk through isle 9 full of a fowl smelling massive vape cloud that smells like left over rotten fruit and they got their infant with them to make matters worse. Given they know nothing about vaping, they assume those massive clouds are not exactly healthy. Had the vaper been tooting there would be no massive cloud or offensive strong odor lingering and there would not of been a problem.
Vaping or vaping big clouds is not the problem, it's the lack of discretion/respect by the person vaping. These vaping individuals are only encouraging more laws and restrictions.
Instead of seeing someone vaping in a store as a positive thing and possibly an alternative if they are a smoker, they see vaping as a negative one because they themselves are irritated that they have to walk through isle 9 full of a fowl smelling massive vape cloud that smells like left over rotten fruit and they got their infant with them to make matters worse. Given they know nothing about vaping, they assume those massive clouds are not exactly healthy. Had the vaper been tooting there would be no massive cloud or offensive strong odor lingering and there would not of been a problem.
Vaping or vaping big clouds is not the problem, it's the lack of discretion/respect by the person vaping. These vaping individuals are only encouraging more laws and restrictions.
Ah, The Infants.... doesn't it ever cross the minds of concerned parents that shopping trips to Walmart are not particularly healthy for infants, even if vaping had never been invented?
Keep in mind, there are many people who love to gripe and complain about anything and everything. Unfortunately, there are people who will also complain about seeing someone indoors, in a public place, blowing tiny clouds (it still looks like smoking to some).
Let's be more specific: it can be construed as looking as smoking, which means great occasion for complaining.
Another thing that one might consider is Very Few People are going to Contact a Business and say...
"I was in the Cereal Aisle of your store the other day and I saw someone was using an e-Cigarette. I think this is a Great Idea. Keep up the Good Work!"
So about the Only input a Business gets with regards to e-Cigarettes is going to be Negative.
I like how people try to justify their actions, with stuff like; ' oh but it's vapor, not smoke', so it's ok. What a dumb thing to say. What makes you think you should have the right to vape wherever u wish? Just cause there isn't a law saying otherwise? Cause it's 'only vapor' and "isn't bothering anyone"? It's like people feel some sort of superiority with vaping.
Dumb.
Dumb.
I don't know what you read but policy was clear and communicated properly from what I read.
The customer claimed he was accused of smoking to the police because he did not like the policy of vaping discreatly so as not to disturb other customers.
I don't know. I'd take the op at face value. Even if it isn't completely, entirely, 100% accurate, it's definitely not outside the realm of possibility. I think it's a really good (and important) topic for debate.
Admittedly, assuming the part about the obnoxious guy is accurate, I'm definitely in awe of how the op handled it. I spend the majority of my day in a rather small room with up to 15 kids aged 9-12, so I thoroughly understand the virtues of patience. In fact, I've been told I have seemingly infinite patience with children who act like children...
Which perhaps explains why I seem to have little to no patience for adults who act like children. I don't know how I would have handled the obnoxious vaper. I'd like to think my common sense would have prevailed...that I'd have walked away and called the police to remove him from the store. But, knowing me, there's definitely a chance I'd have lost it and done something stupid, like drag him out of the store by his left ear, getting myself fired and probably arrested in the process.
Let me start off, I've seen numerous threads about vaping in public, mainly where smoking isn't allowed. This isn't really the topic about this thread, but a topic about the input of store management and their opinions on it!
So let's start off. To begin, I'll go ahead and let the cat out of the bag: the store managers input will be mine, the store I manage (a big box retailer, which I WON'T release the name of), and 2 others from my two good friends who also are on management teams.
So let's begin, shall we?
I'm very lenient on vaping in my store, obviously! I do it myself. I can understand why you would do it. I'll reveal one part of my job, and that's a pharmacy (doesn't really narrow anything down, most stores do!). We have a ton of older folks coming through and getting medicines and prescriptions, and other various groceries and items. Believe it or not, older folks are the majority of the vapers I see coming through!
But they are also ones more likely to complain, since a lot of them aren't aware of what it is.
So lets say you are walking around, shopping and checking items out. You're more than likely gonna be confronted by me for 2 reasons.
1. You are blowing decent sized clouds, not trying to be stealthy. A customer has seen this, and has complained.
Or
2. I happen to notice you doing it.
Now, both of these scenarios are gonna play out the same. I'll walk up to you, make sure your shopping experience is top notch, and then I'll ask you about your vape. I love seeing vapers in the wild! I'll ask about juice, your mod, ect. I may even mention this site
So that person will be completely (hopefully) comfortable using their vape more discreetly. This is 99% of my encounters. However, there are some bad ones.
But as you can see, I'm not out to get anyone. And I've talked to a lot of other managers at my meetings from other stores, and they are the same way. They'd much more like if you asked a member of management before you start, but more than likely it won't be a problem. There are a few uptight managers, so watch out for those.
Now I mentioned my friends who are also managers. They work the same way as me! We are all different ages (22-38) and as long as you are nice, and respectable, they won't have a problem either.
So let's talk about my bad experience. This guy was definitely a rotten apple. He was chucking huge clouds straight up, and you can definitely see them over the isles. I had (I counted) 4 different complaints from different people. So I went over to him and gave him the usual talk, but he was negative about it completely. He told me he wasn't smoking, he was vaping, before I could even reveal I was one of him! He shrugged me off and walked away. I told him if I get enough complaints I'll have to ask him to leave. What did he do?
He walked back to be about 2 feet away, took a toot on his rda, (it looked like a doge, can't be sure!) and blew it straight into my face. It tasted like gummy bears.
This particularly irritated me, so I told him one last time to be more discreet, but before I could finish he cussed me out, and threw up some gestures that left a taste in my mouth worse than his gummy bears.
I told him if he doesn't leave, I'll call the police to escort him out. He basically shrugged it off, and continued shopping. So I called the police. Within a few minutes they were there, taking him out to write up an official banning from the property. I went out there to sign papers and he told the officer I kept telling him he was "smoking" and he had to stop.
Wwwwweeellll I pulled out my gear and basically started vaping quietly as I signed papers. I asked him if that's sure what I said, and help up my mod.
I'm hoping to share my experiences and my opinions with you guys and gals from a vaper, and retail manager. As well from some of my friends opinions, and they don't even vape! Most store workers (through these store chains) don't even mind as long as you aren't getting a ton of attention from other customers.
just bumping the OP original post ... you sir, are definitely going places.
you managed that situation very well.
I am shopping at Walmart every other month and I do not remember seeing infants there. What's wrong with me?
So cloud chasing is ok in a indoor public setting...wow!! Be sure to pat yourself on the back when indoor bans come to your state...they are spreading like wildfire and it's quite clear why. But that's ok right? it will be the politicians fault or somebody else's...not the vapers who cloud chase or support cloud chasing in public places such as a freaking grocery store.
I guess I must have read a different thread or my old eyes are deceiving me. I've not seen anyone here condoning the act of clouding up a public place
What difference does it make if I ban myself voluntarily or if someone imposes it on me? So either don't do it or get told to not do it. What's it to ya? You're a winner either way.
every store has their own code even under the same banner and its usually set by the store manager. I see nothing wrong with this.
I vape in stores. If im alone in an isle ill take a quick hit and blow it into the shelf or down. Blowing up raises attention.
Im in the meat department and my cooler has no cams and since the fire alarms will not go off to vapor (which can sometimes form when equipment comes back from defrost) ill blow monster clouds in there.
Edit: i too agree with op its not smoke and we needto stop treating it as such.
I vape in stores. If im alone in an isle ill take a quick hit and blow it into the shelf or down. Blowing up raises attention.
Im in the meat department and my cooler has no cams and since the fire alarms will not go off to vapor (which can sometimes form when equipment comes back from defrost) ill blow monster clouds in there.
Edit: i too agree with op its not smoke and we needto stop treating it as such.
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