I've always called that entity Big Brother but there really isn't a difference. BTW Andria, I'm sure you may have noticed the stream of "likes" I sent your way. A lot of your posts in this thread hit many nails square on their heads.
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I've always called that entity Big Brother but there really isn't a difference. BTW Andria, I'm sure you may have noticed the stream of "likes" I sent your way. A lot of your posts in this thread hit many nails square on their heads.
If you take your thought process to it's logical conclusion, you are stating that some people are scared of something they know little about, so we need to keep them in the dark by NOT educating them to the fallacy of their thinking through demonstration and explanation. My thinking is the more we demonstrate and educate the uninformed about vaping in a respectful manner, the percentage of those who are "scared" will diminish. If we just hang out in smoking sections, their ignorance will grow into belief.
There is a reason why the term "actions speak louder than words" is so appropriate. The "action" does denote that smoking and vaping are the same thing to those observing smokers and vapers in the same designated smoking areas. There could not be any other logical conclusion to the uninformed.
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It's always nice to be appreciated, especially to a newcomer like myself. I've yet to make the "big switch" to vaping-instead-of-smoking, but that's mainly because the only time I have money (for something big like a $50 starter kit) is on payday -- which is day after tomorrow!
I've so far had to make do with an Njoy that I can't decide if I like or not, but I still think vaping is the best idea to come along in a long, long time, and I plan to take full advantage of it just as soon as money permits."Big Nanny" was from an article I read in Esquire magazine, probably 20 years ago; I think at the time the big deal was mandatory motorcycle helmets, which seems like a no-brainer to me, but apparently many bikers really like the wind in their hair, bugs in their teeth, and the potential for their brains on the pavement. But the phrase resonated with me, the "all-seeing, all-knowing" government always ready and step in to protect us from ourselves, whether we like it or not: Big Nanny treating us all like children who must be protected from our own (stupidity, willfulness, ignorance, or what-have-you).
My own opinion is that if you're dumb enough to ride a tiny uncaged machine at 60+ MPH alongside tractor-trailers without a helmet, you pretty much deserve whatever happens to you -- you're far too stupid to survive and procreate and pass that stupidity to your progeny, though my husband used to argue with me about it constantly. However, the legal requirement to wear a helmet saved his life about 10 yrs ago, when he didn't see a curb and hit it going about 60 MPH -- the bike went up and so did he, though not together, and when he came back down, it was head-first. You should have seen that helmet -- I almost got sick when I saw it, knowing it was the only thing that had stood between his head and the road. Without it, I'd be a widow and our son would have no dad, so in some few cases, it's kinda hard to argue with the "all-seeing, all-knowing" Big Nanny. My husband certainly changed his tune about helmets, after that!
Given how long it took some people (like me, for one!) to recognize the danger of 2nd hand smoke, I think that's another instance where that meddlesome overprotective nanny has actually done some good.
Thx!
Andria
Humm, smoking is banned outside any many places: college campuses, county parks, state parks, within 100 feet of many buildings, parking lots of public buildings. Vaping is being banned outside in many of the same places. The justifications to ban smoking in these outside areas are the same justifications to ban vaping in these outside areas which are the same for the indoor bans.
The emphatic tone of your comment leads one to consider that you believe you know better than everyone else on where vaping should and should not be banned and/or "self-banned".
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I'm all for educating. Like I stated before I will explain what I'm doing when the other person seems to be open to it. The keyword in your post is respect. I just don't think it is respectful to vape anywhere I want. And I know that not everyone bothered by or scared of vaping will actually word it and ask you about it. I know that the analogy I'm going to make is not perfect, but you don't educate someone who as a phobia of snakes about the harmlessness of corn snakes by throwing one at him/her.
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Good point.
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I agree and disagree to your comment. I agree that once you determine or even if you perceive, that a particular individual will not be open to your respectful willingness to demonstrate/educate them about the harmless nature of vaper to non-vapers, it is probably best to just walk away and not be confrontational. But that is a far cry from always "self-restricting" ourselves to designated smoking sections. And I disagree with your analogy of the snake to vaping. Yeah, that is a pretty extreme comparison, lol.
I appreciate your openness to my other point.
The hardest part about anything new is to educate without creating fear/controversy/resentment. I guess it will take some time to find a middle ground.
It just occurred to me that maybe both sides are necessary to do this successfully. The ones who stay away from people and controversy to create the feeling of "it's OK that we are around" and the ones who go out there and draw attention to it no matter what, to actually get the word out. I definitely belong to the first group.
Edit: Actually, me in the first group is not quite true. I like to believe that I'm somewhere in the middle.
Edit2: I know, it's an extreme comparison. It was the first thing that came to my mind as I was looking for one.
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So far as I know, there are (as yet?) no laws regarding vaping here in GA; that map doesn't indicate anything in GA, and I haven't heard the first thing about it. So my own plan is to just proceed pretty much as I have been with my smoking: outdoors where there are no rules against it (there aren't really a lot of "no smoking outdoors" laws in this state, for which I'm very grateful), though of course it will be a huge relief to be able to partake in my own home without the nasty smell. In places like hospital parking lots, I will just sit in my vehicle and vape, and if anyone says anything, to just point out that "I'm not smoking, and there is no law against vaping." I've always thought that law about not smoking IN YOUR OWN CAR in some parking lots was the utter height of control-freak ridiculosity, and I have seldom observed it in any case. But that's just me, and I know some folks feel that it's necessary to bow and scrape to every ridiculous tenet of the law, rather than practicing civil disobedience to the ones that make no sense whatever (those folks are the ones that always drive EXACTLY at the speed limit, driving the rest of us crazy).
In places like restaurants, I think it's a matter of courtesy more than anything else: if you don't see any "no vaping" signs, and you ask politely and no one minds, then why not? Here in GA, there's a loophole that pretty much exempts bars from the no-smoke ban: under 18 aren't permitted in there anyway (not that I go to bars anymore, I'm just sayin...), so smoking is permitted. I wouldn't dream of doing it in a movie theater, because even if there's no smell, the "fog" could conceivably obscure the screen, and that would be as annoying as Wilt Chamberlain in a big hat sitting in front of you.
Maybe it's a cultural thing; in the south, there does still seem to be a lot more courtesy and politeness, which I, as an Atlantan, have more or less always taken for granted (though Atlanta has been well-colonized by folks from all over -- as an ATL native, I'm quite a rare bird!), until I visited Charleston, SC a few years ago, and was absolutely bowled over by how NICE everyone is -- even the pimply teenage counter help in fast food joints, just nice and polite and warm as they could be. At that time, some parts of Charleston had the smoking ban, other parts (Mt Pleasant? I think?) may not have had an ordinance to that effect, but when I inquired of the waitress in a restaurant if there was a smoking area, she was so genuinely apologetic about there not being one, that I simply didn't mind at all, taking my stink outdoors -- it's hard to be annoyed about anything, to people as nice as that.
So maybe, since the worst parts of actual smoking are absent from vaping, to vape or not will come to be more of a courtesy, and less of a legal ordinance. I guess we can only hope for that civil an outcome.
Andria
In places like restaurants, I think it's a matter of courtesy more than anything else: if you don't see any "no vaping" signs, and you ask politely and no one minds, then why not? Here in GA, there's a loophole that pretty much exempts bars from the no-smoke ban: under 18 aren't permitted in there anyway (not that I go to bars anymore, I'm just sayin...), so smoking is permitted. I wouldn't dream of doing it in a movie theater, because even if there's no smell, the "fog" could conceivably obscure the screen, and that would be as annoying as Wilt Chamberlain in a big hat sitting in front of you.
Maybe it's a cultural thing; in the south, there does still seem to be a lot more courtesy and politeness, which I, as an Atlantan, have more or less always taken for granted (though Atlanta has been well-colonized by folks from all over -- as an ATL native, I'm quite a rare bird!), until I visited Charleston, SC a few years ago, and was absolutely bowled over by how NICE everyone is -- even the pimply teenage counter help in fast food joints, just nice and polite and warm as they could be. At that time, some parts of Charleston had the smoking ban, other parts (Mt Pleasant? I think?) may not have had an ordinance to that effect, but when I inquired of the waitress in a restaurant if there was a smoking area, she was so genuinely apologetic about there not being one, that I simply didn't mind at all, taking my stink outdoors -- it's hard to be annoyed about anything, to people as nice as that.
So maybe, since the worst parts of actual smoking are absent from vaping, to vape or not will come to be more of a courtesy, and less of a legal ordinance. I guess we can only hope for that civil an outcome.
Andria
I have found that when someone sees me vaping in public. Even though it may not be in a "smoking area" there are some that would rather ask questions than go on the defensive. There is always someone out there that has a loved one that smokes and would like them to quit. I pull out my "soap box" and try to share what I have learned. I tried desperately for over 35 years to quit smoking and stumbled on vaping. I worked with a guy that had a PV on a lanyard all day and I asked if that really worked. He said he hadn't smoked in over three months. Got my ears up then. It took about two months of talking myself in and out of it (due to the e-cigs I had bought on one of my earlier attempts) and said what the heck! I bought my first kit and haven't looked back since. It will take time for the public to understand what we are trying to do by vaping and they will get on board. It just takes all of us to not be defensive and take the time to inform rather than lash out in a negative manner.
Banning cigarette smoking outside, also Makes no sense whatsoever but They have done it, If cigarette butts on the ground is the issue with smoking outdoors then put up a no littering sign And enforce that.
The more people accept their rights and freedoms being taken away, The more rights and freedoms will be taken away
Some employers have went as far as to Say if you smoke or drink at home you can't work here, If you don't fight for your rights at all, you will have none
In parks, parking lots, College campuses and such Why not just ban cars motorcycles or anything with a gasoline combustion engine.
In parks have they banned, Barbecue grills, Campfires, lawn mowers, Weed wackers, chainsaws,Tractors , NO
I have been to a park several times that has no smoking signs, I did not smoke near other people but I did smoke at that park whenever I felt like it, No one has ever said anything to me about it, For them, that is a good thing they have not.
When I was done with my cigarette I put the .... In the trash or in my cigarette case.
Banning vaping or smoking outside is just Ridiculous
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How bout this for crazy ... my wife works at a place that drug test and also tobacco test. Where does it end?
That's just not right, Next they will be testing for nicotine
What are they going to do About drug testing in the state where p0t Is legal, hmmm
If they can't fire you for drinking at home, Which is legal, why would they be a be able to fire you for doing that at home?
I may have a love-hate attitude towards smoking tobacco (well, mostly hate these days), but that's just the most absurd thing I've heard in a long time. I hate the way smokers have gradually become the subjects of some pretty harsh intolerance, but this is just idiocy; it's treating them like illegal drug users.
On the plus side, if this type of madness gets any worse, pretty soon vaping will seem like the only solution to avoid this type of crap; it could mean more people will choose to vape to avoid feeling like second class citizens, and that can only be a good thing IMHO.
On the plus side, if this type of madness gets any worse, pretty soon vaping will seem like the only solution to avoid this type of crap; it could mean more people will choose to vape to avoid feeling like second class citizens, and that can only be a good thing IMHO.
Come to Thailand where vaping is illegal. Then, you might not feel as bad state side
It ends when she and everyone else that works there tells this employer that such policies are unacceptable and refuses to submit to them.
The sad thing is, is that some people have to put up with this stupidity because they need their jobs. It's a vicious cycle, do you stand up, and say that your rights are being violated and lose your job or conform to the stupidity for the sake of your income? I think what is happening in the states even just with regards to tobacco laws is absolutely insane. You can own a gun, buy ammo anywhere but damn you if you smoke? This is the strangest thing I have ever heard.
I'm not sure what the vaping laws are in Canada though, I'm just speaking about the American laws
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