Vaping in Walmart

[Lessifer]

You quoted exactly what I was referring to.

"Do you wanna build a strawmaaaaaannn?"

Cause... that's how you do it.

It's not a straw man, the evidence of harm from environmental exposure to smoke is lacking and has been exaggerated. There is no evidence of harm from environmental exposure to vapor, the only reason it is even thought of as an issue is the tenuous connection between vaping and smoking. Unless you have something to share about the effects of exposure to environmental vapor, or why it should be of concern, that doesn't tie back to environmental smoke?

ETA: the post that I originally quoted referenced vaping outside, because we smoked outside, so as not to expose people to our smoke. I wasn't even the one to tie the two together in this thread.

 

[Jim_ MDP]

What the hell are you talking about?

You fabricate an exaggerated antismoking claim, so you can tear it down and then dismiss the general concern (not vaping... smoking).
That's the very definition of a strawman. The breathless hyperbole is just a sweetener.

 

[AndriaD]

I know brother, it's just wrong on every level. We live in a time of unabashed lack of shame. We really need to bring back cultural shaming as a means to reign society back in. We were in New Jersey a few months back on vacation and were waiting to meet up with my wife for lunch when this white trashippopotamus walks by us looking like that but with tight short shorts that were testing the tensile strength of the fabric and my kid looks at it, then at me as says "Dad, I wish I could help her.........find a tent store and get covered up so we wouldn't have to see it."

Well really, I thought Walmart was the market testing center for the strength of spandex -- that's the only reason I can think of for 2-ton-tessies to wear it out in public for god and everybody to see.

Andria

 

[Spencer87]

Ok..
Now I will reply.
I think, a lot of people like the idea of vaping, and I think it is partially marketed as a smoke anywhere device. Unfortunately, you cannot smoke anywhere.
It still makes people feel uncomfortable. They havent had a need to go and study all the health effects of the vapor. Anything they have heard, if anything has been about the potential dangers of it, and how we are not sure. We should continue to be respectful.

If you are going to need to vape in an indoor area, which I have no problems with... you should do it respectfully.
Stealth vape
And I do not mean tiny clouds.
I mean... no clouds. I, as a third party, do not want to see even the tiniest wisp of something resembling smoke. If you cannot or do not want to do that, then you should take it outside. it may not be illegal now, but the more it becomes a problem, the closer we are to the law.
in this case, as with almost all.... majority wins.

 

[Lessifer]

What the hell are you talking about?

You fabricate an exaggerated antismoking claim, so you can tear it down and then dismiss the general concern (not vaping... smoking).
That's the very definition of a strawman. The breathless hyperbole is just a sweetener.

I did not say smoking was not harmful, I did not say second hand smoke was harmless, I said second hand smoke is not as harmful as we have been led to believe. I have not fabricated an exaggerated anti smoking claim.

The effects of even brief (minutes to hours) passive smoking are often nearly as large (averaging 80% to 90%) as chronic active smoking.

http: // circ. ahajournals. org/content/111/20/2684.full *link broken per forum rules

I have merely pointed out that concerns about SHV are a direct result of concerns about SHS, which have largely been exaggerated. There is no evidence of any negative effect of SHV.

 

[AndriaD]

Actually yes, he CAN do that if it is his owned property and not rented, then it would be the landlords decision.


Okay, so you do your thing and ill do mine. Secondhand smoke is harmful, and even though there is.a small amount of things in second hand vapor, it is rude to blow in an area where non vapers are. You have your way of thinking, I have mine. I wouldn't blow a vape cloud near a non smoker, it does have different smells and people with COPD, it can still be harmful.

I refuse to argue on here, I was giving my opinion. It is my opinion, not up for debate.

I refused to get into an argument dual with an unloaded opponent. Goodnight Sir.

I vape in my mother's house, I even vaped in her closet with her for 5 hrs straight; She has COPD, but she isn't the least bit harmed by my vapor. She doesn't cough; she doesn't wheeze; she doesn't get breathless... nada. She even likes the scent.

I think the metaphor you were attempting to make was that you won't engage in a battle of wits with the unarmed... but you really need to arm yourself.

Andria

 

[AndriaD]

Discretion is key to vaping in public places where there may not be a restriction on vaping. Just because there's not a rule against vaping doesn't invite everyone to be d-bags with their gear. I puff in Walmart, only when I know I'm not imposing on others' comfort and rarely at that.

This exactly. If I'm there at 6pm, I don't vape till I'm hitting the doors (vape screen against the cigarette smoke just outside), because there are so many people everywhere. But if I'm there at 3am, whole 'nuther story, and there are plenty of places I could vape and no one would ever know. Or care, since they'd never know.

Andria

 

[Spencer87]

In addition... people need to calm down a little. Its okay that you are discussing things... but try to attack the post, not the poster.

for example :
you are talking nonsense=Bad
That is nonsense=ok

be respectful!

 

[newvaper92]

For one, I vape mostly when I'm sitting at home relaxing, or while driving. When I'm in Walmart, I'm certainly not driving, and, especially in this city, not relaxing either. Why would I want to vape in Walmart? I don't feel the need to be inhaling nicotine every waking moment, in fact, I may or may not even take my vape on a trip to walmart. If I do take it, it usually stays in the car unless it's too hot, then in my pocket just so it doesn't leak juice everywhere. The only stores I vape in are vape shops. Some days I vape more than others but I still don't see a need to puff away in Wal-Mart. I'd say a good 50% of us or more weren't even born (or at least of smoking age) when smoking was allowed in stores, so why the need to vape? Smokers don't go around complaining because they can't smoke in walmart (well some probably do!) it's just become a standard that smokers either finish in their car before walking into the store or drop the .... in one of the receptacles that are outside every public establishment! (or more commonly flick it on the ground and stamp it out...grr)

 

[shannon walker]

I vape in Walmart but I hold my vape until I don't exhale any vapor never had a problem.

Master the art of the stealth vape lol

 

[CloudyWithChanceOfVape]

@AndriaD. You openly admit that you don't blow any kind of clouds with your high pg... I was talking about clouds....

No, I said it the way I wanted to say it. I made it into my own quote, therefore the way I said it, was correct. Thanks for jumping on his side though. Its my opinions, he isn't a doctor or a scientist so both of our opinions are based on things we read.

Goodbye.

 

[Lessifer]

While I don't know if the OP has this issue, some vapers, especially when first transitioning from smoking, are very anxious about being without their vape for more than a few minutes at a time. As I have yet to see a justification for an indoor ban, I don't support imposing one on ourselves.

I am not saying that people should ignore the requests of business owners/employees.

 

[ENAUD]

Ok..
Now I will reply.
I think, a lot of people like the idea of vaping, and I think it is partially marketed as a smoke anywhere device. Unfortunately, you cannot smoke anywhere.
It still makes people feel uncomfortable. They havent had a need to go and study all the health effects of the vapor. Anything they have heard, if anything has been about the potential dangers of it, and how we are not sure. We should continue to be respectful.

If you are going to need to vape in an indoor area, which I have no problems with... you should do it respectfully.
Stealth vape
And I do not mean tiny clouds.
I mean... no clouds. I, as a third party, do not want to see even the tiniest wisp of something resembling smoke. If you cannot or do not want to do that, then you should take it outside. it may not be illegal now, but the more it becomes a problem, the closer we are to the law.
in this case, as with almost all.... majority wins.

90% PG 10% H2O, pick your nic, = 0% exhaled vapor after 4-5 second breath hold...if you get caught, your doing it wrong

 

[Lessifer]

90% PG 10% H2O, pick your nic, = 0% exhaled vapor after 4-5 second breath hold...if you get caught, your doing it wrong

I get the same 0 exhale with 70vg/30pg liquid, with a double inhale and a few second hold.

ETA: on a mech running 0.7ohm

Just to say that you don't need a "stealth setup" to stealth vape

 

[Spencer87]

90% PG 10% H2O, pick your nic, = 0% exhaled vapor after 4-5 second breath hold...if you get caught, your doing it wrong

HAHA not even, I drip 80% VG 20% PG on airplanes no problem. 0 exhale. just gotta do it right, but i suppose your mix would make it easier

 

[ENAUD]

HAHA not even, I drip 80% VG 20% PG on airplanes no problem. 0 exhale. just gotta do it right, but i suppose your mix would make it easier

I get heavy lung from too much VG, one of the reasons I pursued DIY

 

[Lessifer]

HAHA not even, I drip 80% VG 20% PG on airplanes no problem. 0 exhale. just gotta do it right, but i suppose your mix would make it easier

I get heavy lung from too much VG, one of the reasons I pursued DIY

I used to love the throat hit from PG, now if I vape anything over 50pg it makes me cough. I don't think I could stealth a 90% pg liquid, wouldn't be able to hold it in.

 

[ENAUD]

I used to love the throat hit from PG, now if I vape anything over 50pg it makes me cough. I don't think I could stealth a 90% pg liquid, wouldn't be able to hold it in.

One of the reasons the deamings really scares me is that those of us with special needs may be left on the outside looking in...

 

[Robert Cromwell]

Vaping in Wal Mart... Tisk tisk..

Why?

 

[Lessifer]

One of the reasons the deamings really scares me is that those of us with special needs may be left on the outside looking in...

undisclosed proprietary blends, perhaps with a choice of a couple of flavors, and if we're really lucky, a few options in nic level. The things nightmares are made of.