I was wondering all of the rules, regulations, and restrictions for vaping. See I just got this SnowWolf 365W (4 18650 batteries, 3.7V, 2500 MaH) came with a L12 baby beast cool pack, and a 5.5mL Slydr tank. Well I noticed it blows huge clouds in all, but it only runs good on 190W-300W. Anything over burns, and anything under doesn't even produce smoke. Well if I was to walk through Wal-Mart vaping. What would happen if I got told not to? I don't want a scene, but i want to show them my rights (assuming I have any in this case) I want to stand my ground and stay firm. But don't want to appear as a stuck up, and ruin the reputation of any other vapers in my community. I have always stealth vaped. But what do i do?
Vaping in Walmart
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Vaping isn't allowed in most stores...in some states it is banned....unless you ask the owner/manager then no, vaping indoors isn't allowed.....
Same around here. If it's a no-smoking area, then don't vape.
Fortunately around here they haven't gone all Nazi on vaping but it doesn't help when people who vape do the whole "vaping isn't smoking" in these situations. Because the result will be more restrictions on vaping.
They have it posted on the doors out here "no electronic cigarettes allowed".
I wouldn't do it even if it's not posted, we don't need unwanted press.
Casinos that's different.
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I wouldn't do it even if it's not posted, we don't need unwanted press.
Casinos that's different.
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You have the same "rights" as a smoker.. if you cant run around smoking a cigarette somewhere, then you can't vape either.
Wal-Mart is not your home, so they fall under local and state regulations, as well as their own business practices which seek to make everyone's shopping experience pleasant.
This means, don't vape there... don't vape anywhere smoking isn't allowed, as a general rule.
It's a different generation. They view things differently.
Good question to ask and I'm glad it was asked instead of testing the waters and getting arrested. Like was said, once you leave your house/car you are now in society, the laws have now changed, what you could do is now involving society. It has nothing to do with 'your rights' and don't feel your rights have been violated. If smokers have to be 25 feet away from a entryway then apply the logic and common sense. Since Walmart DOES sell cigarettes and ecigs I can see where a hypocritical argument could be made, but, like they used to say at Kraft Foods "It is what it is".
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Walmart policy is no vaping inside the store. No exceptions. If a store manager asks you to stop and you refuse, you can be ejected from the store. Worse case scenario, you're given a trespass notice prohibiting you from going back.
And you have no rights when it comes to vaping. Sorry, the Constitution makes absolutely no mention of vaping.
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I would respectfully beg to differ. There is no proscription upon the property rights of the individual in the Constitution nor as to the individual's use of property in any manner or form.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
The Constitution is a limitation upon [federal] government which delineates the extent of its authority. It is government then that does not have "rights", only duty and obligation to the charter.
However, on topic, Walmart is private property…and if the companies owners/delegates have enacted such a policy they have all the right to enforce it. No manager I've queried for years would confirm though whether such a policy exists. Never had an issue in one either.
But you can wear a tutu and g-string while shopping and get rapid checkout.
Good luck.
I would respectfully beg to differ. There is no proscription upon the property rights of the individual in the Constitution nor as to the individual's use of property in any manner or form.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
The Constitution is a limitation upon [federal] government which delineates the extent of its authority. It is government then that does not have "rights", only duty and obligation to the charter.
However, on topic, Walmart is private property…and if the companies owners/delegates have enacted such a policy they have all the right to enforce it. No manager I've queried for years would confirm though whether such a policy exists. Never had an issue in one either.
But you can wear a tutu and g-string while shopping and get rapid checkout.
Good luck.
I agree with you.
That said, many states have passed laws banning vaping in enclosed public areas, and federal has passed laws on vaping regarding federal properties.
There are quite a few states who banned smoking in enclosed public spaces, (around 30 I think?) and with the fda calling vaping a tobacco product and lumped it in with smoking cigarettes, there is a fear of vaping from many people.
Right now, at this time, it is best not to force the issue. Science needs to calm fears of second hand vapor, well prior to non vapors having to walk through clouds of vapor against their will or we will loose this battle.
We need to have common sense now, respecting people's fears and concerns, more than any other time, in order to get the laws passed that we want passed. If we don't the health advocates will double down on stupid, and many many more will join in with them.
We need to give science some time in our respective countries to catch up and advocacy groups time to reach the masses, or its just us doubling down on stupid. It would be like poking a bear with a stick, to become utterly annoying to non vapors at this point.
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I agree with exhibiting common courtesy and civility. However, isn't it time that the consideration be returned?
If we don't make our case publicly, openly and confidently what will the uninformed and misinformed conclude given the exponential growth of propaganda against vapers stigmatizing, marginalizing and criminalizing our behavior.
Vaping is a form of human expression and interaction. It is that social function that forms perhaps the most important aspect of our participation in the pastime. It underlies our success in quitting and overcoming the politically imposed characterization of vaping ex-smokers as simply irresponsible addicts just like smokers. We prove it to ourselves first.
How are we to educate our neighbors as to the reality of this if we resolve to be merely seen but never heard?
Good luck all.
If we don't make our case publicly, openly and confidently what will the uninformed and misinformed conclude given the exponential growth of propaganda against vapers stigmatizing, marginalizing and criminalizing our behavior.
Vaping is a form of human expression and interaction. It is that social function that forms perhaps the most important aspect of our participation in the pastime. It underlies our success in quitting and overcoming the politically imposed characterization of vaping ex-smokers as simply irresponsible addicts just like smokers. We prove it to ourselves first.
How are we to educate our neighbors as to the reality of this if we resolve to be merely seen but never heard?
Good luck all.
I agree with exhibiting common courtesy and civility. However, isn't it time that the consideration be returned?
If we don't make our case publicly, openly and confidently what will the uninformed and misinformed conclude given the exponential growth of propaganda against vapers stigmatizing, marginalizing and criminalizing our behavior.
Vaping is a form of human expression and interaction. It is that social function that forms perhaps the most important aspect of our participation in the pastime. It underlies our success in quitting and overcoming the politically imposed characterization of vaping ex-smokers as simply irresponsible addicts just like smokers. We prove it to ourselves first.
How are we to educate our neighbors as to the reality of this if we resolve to be merely seen but never heard?
Good luck all.
What happened in the infancy of vaping? Vapors said, we arent smoking and therefore can vape in enclosed public areas. People began vaping in restaurants and bars and other places where smoking wasn't allowed.
That is when vaping faced a huge push to be regulated and controlled..
Therefore, being seen yet not heard was the problem.. we need to master the being heard part, without the being seen part being in their faces.
Otherwise, the doubling down for more and more regulation will not only continue, but it will be a battle that will grow to be so large as to be one we will never win.
The more other (unnamed) groups are heard yet never seen and not at all bothersome as a result, is the more they are winning their battle.. we need to take a page from those groups.
Later, we can determine the amount of consideration we will fight for and ask of others, right now, we are simply fighting for our lives.
Do we have the compelling indisputable evidence demonstrating that public vaping was responsible for the governmentally orchestrated opposition to vaping?
What I see is top down political coercion and activism inspired or supported by government? Is opposition to vaping even close to the statistics generated by those trying to control the discussion? Is the consensus of the public as it's being reported truly representative of public sentiment?
Only one way to know for sure and to communicate the reality of the matter — demonstration. Each and every one of us needs to be an advocate.
When that starts to happen Op that's when I believe we'll start to see change. When we have meaningful peaceful principled resistance. I'm not talkin' fog marches. Just go about your daily lives. Be human. Insist on being regarded as one. Explain why you do.
The good is seldom just handed to us in this world.
Good luck.
If you mean the infancy going back 7-10 years I disagree. Also devices really weren't capable of producing much to see. Also there were far less vapors so I very rarely saw anyone vaping inside an establishment little on outside.
Today the number of people and power of devices has greatly increased.
I saw a young man vaping down the aisle of a walmart recently. What in the world was he thinking?
Honestly when I see something like this it is almost entirely a low class person in a place like walmart.
These people are not helping the image of vaping.
Exactly.
We have a right to our own choice of action which does not infringe upon the rights of others. That's the real discussion or issue here.
The question is rather whether the belief that one is impaired or infringed upon, that harm may come, is adequate basis for government to constrain or limit a natural right, our choice. That is what is being promoted and protected by government in the absence of validating empirical proof. Its own authority. A belief is not a right. It's our right to have them, not to impose them.
We won't take that yoke off hiding in the shadows. Like I said it doesn't take tossin' smoke bombs to challenge illiteracy or coercion. Just conviction.
Good luck.
Our Walmart has a sign on the door--No smoking including e-cigarettes. Their property, their rules. I comply.
We still do have several restaurants/diners that allow vaping. They are locally-owned, not chains.
We still do have several restaurants/diners that allow vaping. They are locally-owned, not chains.
Do we have the compelling indisputable evidence demonstrating that public vaping was responsible for the governmentally orchestrated opposition to vaping?
What I see is top down political coercion and activism inspired or supported by government? Is opposition to vaping even close to the statistics generated by those trying to control the discussion? Is the consensus of the public as it's being reported truly representative of public sentiment?
Only one way to know for sure and to communicate the reality of the matter — demonstration. Each and every one of us needs to be an advocate.
When that starts to happen Op that's when I believe we'll start to see change. When we have meaningful peaceful principled resistance. I'm not talkin' fog marches. Just go about your daily lives. Be human. Insist on being regarded as one. Explain why you do.
The good is seldom just handed to us in this world.
Good luck.
Top down coercion is rarely successful without support from the bottom.
4-1/2 years ago i was a smoker who had never much heard of vaping. Knew nothing about it.
Smoking was not allowed at work in our offices. Typical of the time and business. Had a co-worker who took up vaping who insisted on vaping in his office and took customers into his office and vaped with them in the enclosed room.
His sales fell.. the only customers who wanted his help after a bit dropped way off as a result, and it was reflecting badly on our business as a whole. He became known as disrespectful trash, and no one wanted to have any dealings with him.
The owner had to put the brakes on his behavior as a result, and by then he didn't think the owner was "correct" for having done so, blah blah blah.
As a smoker, I absolutely stood against his behavior, 100%
Fact is, our individual "normal daily lives" differ depending on personality type, and what I consider normal behavior another might find strange, and vice versa.
Normal for the OP is vaping at 200 watts chucking massive clouds. Normal for me has nothing in common with that, even though we both vape.
When your behavior is such that even smokers find your behavior inappropriate and obnoxious, then it's not helping the cause, but rather, creating a large group of people more heavily inclined to believe what the government wants them to believe.. because the "normal" vapors they are encountering are viewed ignorant and simply obnoxious.
Now, if my coworker had simply vaped when he was alone in his office, and given respect to non smoking customers rather than blowing vapor in their faces, he would probably have been allowed to continue to vape in his office, and people such as myself, who was a smoker, would have seen him as more intelligent rather than ignorant and obnoxious, and i and others would have been more receptive to what he had to say concerning vaping.
So, with the fact that normal differs depending upon who you are, we cannot simply say go about your normal daily life, we must emphasize respect of persons.
Our rights, in general, end where another's begins. Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins - for instance. I think we should emphasize the same concept, in vaping. Our right to vape, ends where a non smokers rights begins. I think its a just method of thought, in all things, not only vaping.
But overall.. we are much in agreement, i think if no one sees the 40 million vapors, they might be inclined to believe the numbers might be skewed when we talk about numbers, but I do think we need to avoid the perception of ignorant and obnoxious..
And the younger, more entitled generation, need extra guidance as to what that avoidance means.
We have a right to our own choice of action which does not infringe upon the rights of others. That's the real discussion or issue here.
The question is rather whether the belief that one is impaired or infringed upon, that harm may come, is adequate basis for government to constrain or limit a natural right, our choice. That is what is being promoted and protected by government in the absence of validating empirical proof. Its own authority. A belief is not a right. It's our right to have them, not to impose them.
We won't take that yoke off hiding in the shadows. Like I said it doesn't take tossin' smoke bombs to challenge illiteracy or coercion. Just conviction.
Good luck.
And herein is the problem.. we aren't causing a harm to those around us..
Yet.. we need science to back us up.. not one small study from somewhere across the globe, but also science in our own area.
And for that, we need time. In the interim we need to have patience with ignorance as there will be a period of time while we wait for science to back us up.
You make a point with your examples. Some people are obnoxious. And they don't have to vape to be that. But I don't think the average vaper as broad a cross-section of our society that is involved is representative.
Are you saying the bottom are obnoxious? Maybe there ought to be a law.
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