"Vaping is good for your health, but bad for the environment!"

[stormjib]

It's not just the disposable plastic tanks and pods that I see littering the beach; it's also spent batteries. If you don't think it's a problem, wait until your two year old starts playing with a used pod, containing nic and who knows what from the user's mouth, that she finds in the sand. The same jerks who toss cigarette butts and even lit cigarettes out of car windows don't suddenly start to give a crap just because they start vaping. They leave cigalikes, ejuice bottles, used pods, etc. wherever they go. But if you don't look, it's easy to say it's not an issue.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Can we at least skip the cow methane release issue?

I purposely avoided that issue.

 

[Jebbn]

darn kids!
things were better in my day

 

[vapdivrr]

The title of the thread is the exact comment that one of the girls made: "Vaping is good for your health, but bad for the environment!"

The way it was said made it sound as if they were repeating a slogan or something.

Gotcha.... amazing how powerful money can be, reaches far and wide

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[gerrymi]

I'm always amazed/perplexed when I run across another news item about the "school-student-Juul" craze...

Although I realize students are probably not ECF members and thus can't easily do e-cig comparisons...Juuls are somewhat expensive and their Nonrefillable Pods only add more to their cost...

Where do the youngins get the money to buy these things???

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[Eskie]

I'm always amazed/perplexed when I run across another news item about the "school-student-Juul" craze...

Although I realize students are probably not ECF members and thus can't easily do e-cig comparisons...Juuls are somewhat expensive and their Nonrefillable Pods only add more to their cost...

Where do the youngins get the money to buy these things???

..

Same place they get money for $100 sneakers.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I'm always amazed/perplexed when I run across another news item about the "school-student-Juul" craze...

Although I realize students are probably not ECF members and thus can't easily do e-cig comparisons...Juuls are somewhat expensive and their Nonrefillable Pods only add more to their cost...

Where do the youngins get the money to buy these things???

..

Daddy, "Go away, kid, take this ten bucks, it's quality time".

 

[Baditude]

Juuls are somewhat expensive and their Nonrefillable Pods only add more to their cost...Where do the youngins get the money to buy these things??

Well, some kids actually have part time jobs. And some have parents who give them an allowance or better yet give them money when they ask for it.

The problem lies in not how they afford it, but how do they buy it being that it is for ADULTS ONLY? Fake ID's? Salesman not checking for ID? Kid is finding an adult to buy it for them?

 

[Bolivar]

Can we at least skip the cow methane release issue?

I’m doing my part on that one. I’m eating cows as fast as I can!!!

 

[vapdivrr]

What is bad for the environment are all those disposible pods like Juuls that are tossed out like butts. Cigarette butts will decompose. Pods are plastic and can't. Whether Juul/cigalikes prefilled pods whatever, they are wasteful. Now there's even that plastic disposable tank, forgot who makes it. That stuff is environmentally unfriendly. Which is why using a simple rebuildable or at least a refillable something is way better than those plastic one use pods getting tossed out. That's about the only negative environmental issue I see with vaping and it's only those things.

Then doing rebuildables is green compared to drop ins and more specifically, pods....I like that.....I knew there had to be another positive about my vaping style with mtl rebuildables and higher end gear. No pods or drop ins adding to the trash, less juice, and gear that never dies (never had to throw out any gear because it failed)...

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[ScottP]

It's not just the disposable plastic tanks and pods that I see littering the beach; it's also spent batteries. If you don't think it's a problem, wait until your two year old starts playing with a used pod, containing nic and who knows what from the user's mouth, that she finds in the sand. The same jerks who toss cigarette butts and even lit cigarettes out of car windows don't suddenly start to give a crap just because they start vaping. They leave cigalikes, ejuice bottles, used pods, etc. wherever they go. But if you don't look, it's easy to say it's not an issue.

I just don't see that around here. I have never seen a discarded battery, pod or nic bottle in any parking lot or even at the beach...and my parents house is at the beach so I am there quite often and they are there every single day (well except in case of inclement weather). Maybe it's a Texas vs California thing? I don't know. I can only go by what I have personally seen or in this case not seen. I am not going to say it doesn't ever happen, but around here it is apparently a rare occurrence and someone must be cleaning it up fairly quickly when it does.

On a related note, I never really saw too many cig butts at the beach either. Most people I see smoking at the beach have a used soda bottle with some water in it they use for .... disposal.

 

[bombastinator]

And getting parents to do their job as parents. That should include not only stuff like Juul use, but even stuff like don't throw your trash wherever you want. Put it in a damn trashcan, not the sidewalk.

Heh. Btw did you know the Indian crying about trash on the sidewalk ads in the 1970s weren’t actually PSAs? They were fake PSAs done by the packaging industry. The problem was disposable packaging wasn’t a thing before th 60s and people were stunned by the amount of trash it created and wanted to control packaging design. The crying indian commercials weren’t actually about “trash is an environmental problem” they were really “this is your fault not our fault”.

I’m afraid I’m going to have to reject your argument with predudice.

 

[Eskie]

Heh. Btw did you know the Indian crying about trash on the sidewalk ads in the 1970s weren’t actually PSAs? They were fake PSAs done by the packaging industry. The problem was disposable packaging wasn’t a thing before th 60s and people were stunned by the amount of trash it created and wanted to control packaging design. The crying indian commercials weren’t actually about “trash is an environmental problem” they were really “this is your fault not our fault”.

I’m afraid I’m going to have to reject your argument with predudice.

Well, I wasn't referring to 50 year old ads with Indians. Rather that only a small percentage of plastic productd are eligible for recycling, and even that is going to end as China is no longer accepting plastic imports for processing and it's too expensive for certainly the US to take on. Maybe India will pick up the slack but for now it's all more landfill material. Besides, with residual nicotine it's automatically not considered for processing as it would have to be cleaned as some sort of hazmat material. A single pod might not contain much, but a pile of several hundred isn't something you'd want to be grinding up without some sort of protection and method to adequately clean the plastic (and separate out the metal and wick material).

Any single use plastic product, other than maybe sterile medical items, is a waste of good oil and takes up more landfill space. That to me is a problem and I don't view larger and larger landfills as environmentally friendly, or all that neighborly either. We're not out of landfill space by any means, but it's getting more expensive to ship it further and further to distant locations that will accept the crap. That's a negative environmental impact to me, and still aesthteticaly unpleasant on the side of the road. Just like McDonald's boxes and other trash thrown out the window of both cars and some apartment windows in certain neighborhoods.

 

[Alexbodman]

but, I think its better than smoking?

 

[gerrymi]

how do they buy it being that it is for ADULTS ONLY

Those DARN youngins…they should be smoking cigarettes...like I did when I was their age!!!

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[ENAUD]

Well, I wasn't referring to 50 year old ads with Indians. Rather that only a small percentage of plastic productd are eligible for recycling, and even that is going to end as China is no longer accepting plastic imports for processing and it's too expensive for certainly the US to take on. Maybe India will pick up the slack but for now it's all more landfill material. Besides, with residual nicotine it's automatically not considered for processing as it would have to be cleaned as some sort of hazmat material. A single pod might not contain much, but a pile of several hundred isn't something you'd want to be grinding up without some sort of protection and method to adequately clean the plastic (and separate out the metal and wick material).

Any single use plastic product, other than maybe sterile medical items, is a waste of good oil and takes up more landfill space. That to me is a problem and I don't view larger and larger landfills as environmentally friendly, or all that neighborly either. We're not out of landfill space by any means, but it's getting more expensive to ship it further and further to distant locations that will accept the crap. That's a negative environmental impact to me, and still aesthteticaly unpleasant on the side of the road. Just like McDonald's boxes and other trash thrown out the window of both cars and some apartment windows in certain neighborhoods.

There are some folks developing methods of Pyrolozing waste plastic back into oil, I believe that is the most promising way of dealing with the mountains of it we are generating. One of the byproducts is flamable gas which can be fed back into the heater unit as a fuel source. Many years ago, I said, someday, we will be mining our landfills for the plastics that are buried there.

The oil produced via Pyrolization can be refined into gasoline, diesel, naptha, and other hydrocarbons.

 

[bombastinator]

Well, I wasn't referring to 50 year old ads with Indians. Rather that only a small percentage of plastic productd are eligible for recycling, and even that is going to end as China is no longer accepting plastic imports for processing and it's too expensive for certainly the US to take on. Maybe India will pick up the slack but for now it's all more landfill material. Besides, with residual nicotine it's automatically not considered for processing as it would have to be cleaned as some sort of hazmat material. A single pod might not contain much, but a pile of several hundred isn't something you'd want to be grinding up without some sort of protection and method to adequately clean the plastic (and separate out the metal and wick material).

Any single use plastic product, other than maybe sterile medical items, is a waste of good oil and takes up more landfill space. That to me is a problem and I don't view larger and larger landfills as environmentally friendly, or all that neighborly either. We're not out of landfill space by any means, but it's getting more expensive to ship it further and further to distant locations that will accept the crap. That's a negative environmental impact to me, and still aesthteticaly unpleasant on the side of the road. Just like McDonald's boxes and other trash thrown out the window of both cars and some apartment windows in certain neighborhoods.

Agreed. Except landfills don’t clean waste or even make it safe. Generally they just concentrate and liquify it. They’re lined with tough plastic, but when (not if)that tough plastic breaks there’s going to be big problems. One hope is there will eventually be so much valuable material in the middens that they will be mined, like the Bessemer converter slag heaps were. We have yet to get that “lucky” though.

 

[Varelse]

Social Justice and saving the planet are just the mask behind which the unbalanced and mentally disturbed are given a social acceptable license to inflict their disease onto the rest of the population...people who in a more civilized age would have either been booted out of society or simpely ignored.

the jealous activate the ill informed, "Can't them explodes??" The self-righteous is usually in the mix (you know-the ones who want boobs on works of art covered but love war and death on tv) and now its a gateway drug. a few tools who don't know how to vape politely while in public doesn't help.

 

[Varelse]

Employer rules can be a pain.

MTL vaping in public probably wouldn't be a problem for most.

While the way it unfolded was weak I can't argue if they say not in the office. But I still practice stealth. Between the BR and walking outside I can vape enough.

 

[bombastinator]

Social Justice and saving the planet are just the mask behind which the unbalanced and mentally disturbed are given a social acceptable license to inflict their disease onto the rest of the population...people who in a more civilized age would have either been booted out of society or simpely ignored.

There are a lot of those “masks” on all ends of the political spectrum. The issue is not which one is correct or incorrect.