I've never tried it myself but Taz was talking about it here - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/6739-passion-flower-has-harmine.html
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I take Celexa for stomach problems (not enough seratonin which affects your your stomach as well as your mind) I wonder if the Celexa plus the nic from the juice will help me more because I am not missing the MAOI effect with the Celexa.
Another thought is I wonder now a days many people are on some type of SSRI or MAOI could it be the 20% that did succeed with NRTs were on some type of meds.
It might be interesting to see once I have been on ecigs for a while if my stomach problems come back. It seems I was probably self medicating with analogs and if I cut them out I would venture to guess I would be low on that drug. We will c.
LOL Im 36 and I sound like Im 70 with these dumb ailments.8-o
Another thought is I wonder now a days many people are on some type of SSRI or MAOI could it be the 20% that did succeed with NRTs were on some type of meds.
It might be interesting to see once I have been on ecigs for a while if my stomach problems come back. It seems I was probably self medicating with analogs and if I cut them out I would venture to guess I would be low on that drug. We will c.
LOL Im 36 and I sound like Im 70 with these dumb ailments.8-o
This has got me thinking. I have some herbal stop smoking patches in my drawer. They have passion flower and other herbs in them. It might be good to start using them. I tried them to stop smoking, but that didn't work for me. They might be helpful now. They did seem to relax me some,but I needed something to do with my hands. Now I have it with the electronic cig. Paided all that money for those herbal patches. Got some other stuff in there too,like the rxhale pills. Get me some passion flower tea.
With vaping, I've gone from 25 to 30 cigs per day down to 7 to 9, and hopefully it will keep going down. However, to me vaping is like being on a nonfat diet all day--you eat nonfat muffins and angel cake and this and that, and then at some point you just crave full fat doughnuts and ice cream. Analogs to me are the "full fat" treats, as compared to the "nonfat" e-cigs. I don't know if it's the MAOI-this-or-that, or if there's a complex of something else in analogs. I wish someone could isolate it and put it in our juice (if it's not too dangerous)!
I dunno, guess my not smoking for over 4 months and actually feeling better, breathing better, olofactory working, taste more, and no desire for analog.......****e, guess vaping didn't work fo me
oh and 19 out of 20 thers I turned onto it
But, hey, nothin's perfect8-o
Oh, i was only smoking bout 3-6 packs kool day.....
oh and 19 out of 20 thers I turned onto itBut, hey, nothin's perfect8-o
Oh, i was only smoking bout 3-6 packs kool day.....
From what I have gathered in my vast experiance to addictive substances, it is actually in in the mind, not chemical external factors, as the person has complete control over themselves and their addictions. It just becomes hard to give something up or quit something when it becomes habitual and if certain dependancies are placed upon what ever form of addiction it is.
If it was to do with certain chemical triggers on addiction, how come thousands of people manange to give up drugs and tobacco each and every year without any hassle?
I personally know of about 20 people who have all stopped smoking just by reading the allan carr's stop smoking book, and out of those 20, only 2 have returned to smoking.
If it was to do with certain chemical triggers on addiction, how come thousands of people manange to give up drugs and tobacco each and every year without any hassle?
I personally know of about 20 people who have all stopped smoking just by reading the allan carr's stop smoking book, and out of those 20, only 2 have returned to smoking.
oh, Allan Carr, I read that book and got all exicted to quit. I went for three weeks cold turkey and thought I was going to die. I tryed so hard to do this book. It didn't work for me and to just think about those three weeks AWFUL is the word.
I read that book three times. Its all in your mind is bull. Just plain bull!!!!!!!!
I read that book three times. Its all in your mind is bull. Just plain bull!!!!!!!!
Yes, but thats just you're experiance (and mine too! lol). But I know people who have quit for over 10 years via allan carr and his method.
Something else to ponder about is the fact that its never a chemical that a person gets addicted to. Its the reaction to the chemical that triggers a sensation in a person that causes the addiction. Someone I once knew had a bad experiance with ......., and never tried it again, because they didnt link pleasure with there experiance. Others I know who are ....... addicts loved their first experiance and hence the addiction formed because they linked pleasure to it..
It is all in the mind love!
Nicotine is an addictive chemical - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-smokers-widow-gets-8-million.html#post103929
I agree somewhat with your post - For me Nothing Beats a "REAL" cigar once in awhile - Mostly camping. Tried an e-cigar - NAH that ain't going to work.
Tropical Bob - posted once he thinks it may be the Carbon Monoxide we miss - I think he may be right - I have gone from a 3 pack a day habit to no analogs in 3 days back in October and a analog repulses me now, can't stand the taste or smell (Yeah I can do both again - Tasting and Smelling that is!
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Chuffer, that was a very good description of the difference between vaping and smoking. I've only been vaping not quite two days now and have gone from about the same amount you smoked to 6-7 analogs a day in the last two days. But I could easily smoke more if I didn't stop myself. My goal is to be off analogs completely in a week or two.
I've only been using e-cigs for a month and have had no cravings for regular tobacco. I'll admit that I prefer the high and medium nic cartridges, but a lot of my addiction is the "motions" of smoking. Hand to mouth and "drawing in and blowing out "smoke". I swear by e-cigs and have a feeling they will keep me from smoking regular tobacco forever (as long as the e-cigs are available).
Some of us smoker have Nicotine receptors in our brain. Some of us smoker do not have nicotine receptor in our brains.
If you have the receptors you will have lots of problems quiting, if you don't you will have a easier time quiting. I believe there or some in betweens in there some where. That was a research paper publish 2 or 3 months ago.
Nothing is simple when it comes to us humans. Who knows what other receptors we have in our brains that smoking connects to.
We will just have to do the best we can individually and not compare our selves to others , because we don't know all the facts.
If I can't completly quit it dose not make me a bad person, I don't care what the Anti's say.
If you have the receptors you will have lots of problems quiting, if you don't you will have a easier time quiting. I believe there or some in betweens in there some where. That was a research paper publish 2 or 3 months ago.
Nothing is simple when it comes to us humans. Who knows what other receptors we have in our brains that smoking connects to.
We will just have to do the best we can individually and not compare our selves to others , because we don't know all the facts.
If I can't completly quit it dose not make me a bad person, I don't care what the Anti's say.
WOW this forum is hoppin! Great to see such active posting on something that I think has the highest potential ever to positively impact the health of smokers.
I'd like to address the question above about harmine and other MAOI's. MAOI's (MonoAmine Oxidase Inhibitors) are substances that temporarily "tie up" the proteins the body uses to break down substances like nicotine. They aren't neuroactive in their own right, but instead allow nicotine and our own "feel good" chemicals like dopamine and serotonin to remain active longer than they normally would.
Since the body metabolizes nicotine so quickly, I can understand why gum and patches are usually ineffective. By the time nicotine manages to get absorbed from the soft tissues to the blood stream, it has already been largely converted to byproducts that are no longer pyschoactive. NRT product manufacturers overcome this by increasing 2 to 4 times (or more) the nicotine. The problem of course is that increases the amount of the toxic nicotine metabolites in our bodies- stuff that does nothing to satisfy our craving, yet still has adverse effects on our cardio.
Thats's where I can see the benefit of a low level of a natural MAOI in a smoking mix - activate a lower nicotine dose specifically for the brain receptors and limit the negative peripheral side effects.
The vaporization temperature question is interesting. The PG vapes at 188 C confirming Kate's observations. It's likely that it acts as a surfactant carrying the nicotine along with it. The data I looked at on harmine suggests it decomposes at temps not much higher than its melting temp in the 260 C range. So I feel an experiment coming on! Stay tuned.
I'd like to address the question above about harmine and other MAOI's. MAOI's (MonoAmine Oxidase Inhibitors) are substances that temporarily "tie up" the proteins the body uses to break down substances like nicotine. They aren't neuroactive in their own right, but instead allow nicotine and our own "feel good" chemicals like dopamine and serotonin to remain active longer than they normally would.
Since the body metabolizes nicotine so quickly, I can understand why gum and patches are usually ineffective. By the time nicotine manages to get absorbed from the soft tissues to the blood stream, it has already been largely converted to byproducts that are no longer pyschoactive. NRT product manufacturers overcome this by increasing 2 to 4 times (or more) the nicotine. The problem of course is that increases the amount of the toxic nicotine metabolites in our bodies- stuff that does nothing to satisfy our craving, yet still has adverse effects on our cardio.
Thats's where I can see the benefit of a low level of a natural MAOI in a smoking mix - activate a lower nicotine dose specifically for the brain receptors and limit the negative peripheral side effects.
The vaporization temperature question is interesting. The PG vapes at 188 C confirming Kate's observations. It's likely that it acts as a surfactant carrying the nicotine along with it. The data I looked at on harmine suggests it decomposes at temps not much higher than its melting temp in the 260 C range. So I feel an experiment coming on! Stay tuned.
Kate I know you don't use your I-Inhale with herbs, but what about a mix of the content in a passion flower tea bag+e-liquid? just as an experiment.
Crymi, i just saw passon flower herb in a vg base, but had starch in it, the same with the coconut glycrin it in and achohol based. I was wondering how those would work out. I am going to get some and make me some tea for now. If it won't change the taste of diet soda I may put some in that.
Just a word of encouragement, - smoke free since 1/20, after 20+ years of a pack a day. Have no desire to smoke an analog.
yeah Taz there are certainly alot of variables as to whether it would actually be effective, not taste like boiled socks, or screw up our atmoizers. On the plus side passion flower just has an alluring ring to begin with!
The lab rat in me suggests starting with a passion flower tincture - an ethanol extract - so that the starches and sugars would be largely absent.
I think I saw one bottle that was just water, acholol and passon flower extract, cannot remember which site I was on or which brand. If irun acoss it again I will let you know, it was cheap.
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