vaping is NOT smoking!!

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USMCotaku

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Would fog be an aerosol? How about smog? Two things that look the same, but are quite different. Could I use this to help explain? :?:


yes, both fog and smog are by definition aerosol, which is why I even included another term into the discussion, that two things that are similar and can fall under the same classification, are not always the same thing
 

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Ta Dah! Thank you, USMCotaku! :) I'm thinking of using "fog" and "smog" in illustrations to family and friends and even strangers who ask.

Here in Chattanooga, we can get some pretty heavy fog at times, but no warnings to stay out of it. Then there are days in the valley where the city is, you can see the smog and have warnings to stay inside. In the past (35 yrs ago) was so bad, your hanging laundry got dirty all over again! :(
 

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what upsets me about change in language isn't its fluidity and change to meet new world applications (just like the word vape). What bothers me is when incorrect usage of a word becomes accepted and then makes its way into our dictionaries as truth, like the word smoke....we've already seen what an older dictionary had to say on the matter......exactly what I was taught about what smoke is. But that horse is pretty thoroughly beaten by now. If someone wants to call steam smoke, so be it. Why not further FDA misinformation tactics :p

Which I can see. I really don't see the harm in it being called smoke where it can be justified as such. Weakly? Sure but it doesn't make it any less true.

Heck I am a traditionalist in some sense. The world slipped away from me years ago.
 

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what upsets me about change in language isn't its fluidity and change to meet new world applications (just like the word vape). What bothers me is when incorrect usage of a word becomes accepted and then makes its way into our dictionaries as truth, like the word smoke....we've already seen what an older dictionary had to say on the matter......exactly what I was taught about what smoke is. But that horse is pretty thoroughly beaten by now. If someone wants to call steam smoke, so be it. Why not further FDA misinformation tactics :p
I am in agreement with you there. The example I deal with, all the time, as a teacher, is the word theory. This word has a very different meaning in scientific circles, compared with its common usage definition. It irks me to no end when people take the word out of context in a lame attempt to discredit or diminish the credibility of a scientific theory.
 

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Which I can see. I really don't see the harm in it being called smoke where it can be justified as such. Weakly? Sure but it doesn't make it any less true.



Heck I am a traditionalist in some sense. The world slipped away from me years ago.


the problem stems from the stigma of smoking being transferred to vaping based on public conception of what smoking is. The only reason it can be weakly justified as smoking is from the alteration of the word smoke, which with the help of the pack rat with an old dictionary (glad you had it :p) we have proven. To call vaping smoking, is to automatically saddle it with a negative stigma in the average persons mind.
 

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ok, is this smoke?

smoke-9.jpg




what about this?


2564498-3x2-700x467.jpg



this?


smokers-exposed-in-India.jpg




what about this? is this smoke?

Smoke-in-the-Air-smoke-air-1920x1080.jpg



I'll submit that ANYONE who speaks and understands english will say these are all examples of smoke, regardless of the chemical composition and regardless of what method was used to generate it....


ok so you tell me, which one isn't smoke? how can anyone submit that any one of these are not "really" smoke... anyone, even a child will say that these are all pictures of smoke. why? because they are all pictures of smoke.... was any generated by a vapor? hmmm, maybe, how can you distinguish which? according to those in this thread one of these people pictured in this post is not someone smoking... just by looking at the pics can you tell me which one? do you honestly believe you are going to convince anyone that one of these people are not smoking?

semantics are one thing, denial is another
 

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ok, is this smoke?



smoke-9.jpg








what about this?





2564498-3x2-700x467.jpg






this?





smokers-exposed-in-India.jpg








what about this? is this smoke?



Smoke-in-the-Air-smoke-air-1920x1080.jpg






I'll submit that ANYONE who speaks and understands english will say these are all examples of smoke, regardless of the chemical composition and regardless of what method was used to generate it....





ok so you tell me, which one isn't smoke? how can anyone submit that any one of these are not "really" smoke... anyone, even a child will say that these are all pictures of smoke. why? because they are all pictures of smoke.... was any generated by a vapor? hmmm, maybe, how can you distinguish which? according to those in this thread one of these people pictured in this post is not someone smoking... just by looking at the pics can you tell me which one? do you honestly believe you are going to convince anyone that one of these people are not smoking?



semantics are one thing, denial is another


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I am saying that in this context, there is no distinction between smoke and vapor because in this context the vapor IS smoke. the only way to differentiate is by chemical analysis of the smoke... I see smoke, any logical person that is not trying to argue a technicality to prove a point would say they see smoke, hell even you can't actually say which one really isn't smoke.... for all intents and purposes it "is" by it's very definition, smoke....
 

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the whole water thing is just a far reach here, grasping at straws to try and prove something, and not very effectively at that. without seeing if it's actually in a liquid state I can't even tell if it's a liquid or a solid from just a still pic, much less if it's actual chemical composition is H2O... what kind of logic is that? it could be many things, but the pics I showed can only be one thing, smoke :)
 

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the whole water thing is just a far reach here, grasping at straws to try and prove something, and not very effectively at that. without seeing if it's actually in a liquid state I can't even tell if it's a liquid or a solid from just a still pic, much less if it's actual chemical composition is H2O... what kind of logic is that? it could be many things, but the pics I showed can only be one thing, smoke :)

You're wrong... they *could* ALL be vapor!

Andria
 
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