Water will extinguish the cause of most smoky emissions. That's the test (and yes, I know about A, B, and C fires and extinguisher types).
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vaping is NOT smoking!!
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the problem stems from the stigma of smoking being transferred to vaping based on public conception of what smoking is.
The only reason it can be weakly justified as smoking is from the alteration of the word smoke, which with the help of the pack rat with an old dictionary (glad you had it) we have proven.
To call vaping smoking, is to automatically saddle it with a negative stigma in the average persons mind.
This is the truth the antagonists in this thread just refuse to acknowledge
More destructive to our efforts to educate & inform than the continued use of the word addiction
1.) There's no cure for Dumb.
2.) You can choose your friends but not your family.
Vape 'till your heart's content.
2.) You can choose your friends but not your family.
Vape 'till your heart's content.
I hear all kinds of nonsense from my sis, she knows everything, just ask her. A coworker also told me I was still smoking, I just ignore them for what they don't want to know.
Tap'n on my S5
Tap'n on my S5
I agree 100%. Methinks I smell a troll(s) in our midst....
As my banner shows, I've become a NON-SMOKER again... but I guess our troll(s) thinks I still am a smoker, despite the fact that I haven't lit one up in over 24 hrs now... 
Andria
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I agree 100%. Methinks I smell a troll(s) in our midst....
Andria
Yay Andria!! Keep it up! (And I think I forgot to say in my initial post in this thread-- realsis, congrats on 100 days smoke-free!! Don't let her get you down, as others have already said, WE all know you've made a great accomplishment!)
It's 12 now, with the very recent addition of mine.
I'm usually averse to the use of ad hominems in any debate, formal or casual. But I think the way you (DC2) are using it may actually have a positive effect. I believe some people need to get a (virtual) sledge hammer to the head in order to get them to even begin to understand something that's new to them. Giving them a figurative "smack-down" as you described will almost surely have one effect that is very important in any attempt to educate - the mnemonic value of a strong verbal exchange. That the exchange occurred will remain fresh in their mind for at least a couple of weeks, and in turn, most of the content of your argument will be remembered by them as well (although their memory of the content will fade faster than the fact of the event).
However long the content of the exchange remains in their memory, it will often serve to plant a seed of desire in their mind for a new bit of knowledge. If they eventually seek to learn an actual fact about vaping, it would have the potential (albeit a small one) to result in a positive change in their life, and perhaps even in the lives of others as well.
Planting the seed in their mind that vaping isn't nearly as harmful as they portend might just become an idea that vexes them until they seek to learn more about vaping, if only to satisfy that nagging little chasm that you shoved into their mind that desperately wants to be filled in with just a bit of new information. Or maybe they'll still feel vindictive, and try to learn a few facts that they can use against vaping, and in turn, perhaps learn that vaping isn't the boogeyman that the naysayers portray.
If they end up with just one or two new facts in their belief system about vaping that changes their mind, even if it's only a little, then your venture will be successful.
I know all of that ends up describing a very slim chance of successfully imparting new knowledge about vaping to a seemingly ignorant person, but as I write very often here, education of the public at large about vaping is VERY important. Vaping is something that I believe is saving people's lives, and can save many, many more in the coming years.
A very important venture is worthwhile even in a single (and seemingly hopeless) exchange with one person. If there's even the smallest chance to even slightly change someone's mind, then I call your effort a success. Because changing one person's mind often results in changing more people's minds. We humans are social creatures. We talk to people in our lives about even little things we learn, which has the effect of spreading more seeds of knowledge that began with the one you will have planted in the guy's mind in just one impassioned exchange.
(I'm not meaning to advocate for the use of ad hominems in an argument, but the way CabinetGuyScott described his nature, I would say there is still something that can be gained for our cause. The result may be small, but in our endeavor, every inch counts.)
Me too ... YAY for Andria! I actually didn't know you were a dual-user. (I don't know if "dual-user" is the respectful term for it. If it's not, I will sincerely apologize, and then learn the more appropriate term.) I presume you're making progress in replacing time smoking with time vaping in your daily life.
(I haven't read much of the last several pages of this thread before posting this. I'm just excited about coming back after a two week absence because of my stupid health issue, and in my excitement, I'm doing more writing of posts than reading of posts, I'm afraid. I know... I should really write less and read more.)
I'm happy for you, in any case.
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It's funny.
Whenever I go outside to vape I say out loud, "Well, I'm going out to PRETEND to smoke," and it generates laughs as well as making it clear that I no longer smoke.
Perhaps we need to focus less on semantics and more on effectively emphasising that we're not smoking cigarettes.
Whenever I go outside to vape I say out loud, "Well, I'm going out to PRETEND to smoke," and it generates laughs as well as making it clear that I no longer smoke.
Perhaps we need to focus less on semantics and more on effectively emphasising that we're not smoking cigarettes.
And THAT would be the point I shook my head sadly, smiled, and patted the top of the person's head before walking away to more important matters...lol"But how can you PRETEND to smoke, when you are STILL smoking...?
One of my friends (who's a chiropractor) laughs and asks me, "You still smoking that fake cigarette?". And then he chuckles and smiles.
People know the difference between smoke that comes out of a paper tube and whatever comes out of that metal tube that guy has in his (or her) hand. The important thing is that we aren't intrusive in our vapor exhale or self-righteous if they come up and ask about it.
Depending on what the government does with vaping, I see millions of smokers converting to vaping. It will eventually become a natural and normal part of American life to see people vaping in public and following the accepted rules of etiquette. If we don't play our cards right, I see signs being modified to include ecigs not being allowed in most public places except for designated areas. When the masses are walking around vaping in public, people will complain. Right now, it's not offensive because not many are vaping inside and most who do are in stealth mode.
Banning will be a shame just because vaping isn't a hazard to those around us based on what we know from the few extensive tests that have been conducted. Once official government testing is performed and vaping is analyzed extensively that may release us from the stigma of tobacco smoke being confused with vapor. It's certainly in our best interest not to go around blowing huge clouds and showing off our cutting edge hardware. That can only hurt the cause.
People know the difference between smoke that comes out of a paper tube and whatever comes out of that metal tube that guy has in his (or her) hand. The important thing is that we aren't intrusive in our vapor exhale or self-righteous if they come up and ask about it.
Depending on what the government does with vaping, I see millions of smokers converting to vaping. It will eventually become a natural and normal part of American life to see people vaping in public and following the accepted rules of etiquette. If we don't play our cards right, I see signs being modified to include ecigs not being allowed in most public places except for designated areas. When the masses are walking around vaping in public, people will complain. Right now, it's not offensive because not many are vaping inside and most who do are in stealth mode.
Banning will be a shame just because vaping isn't a hazard to those around us based on what we know from the few extensive tests that have been conducted. Once official government testing is performed and vaping is analyzed extensively that may release us from the stigma of tobacco smoke being confused with vapor. It's certainly in our best interest not to go around blowing huge clouds and showing off our cutting edge hardware. That can only hurt the cause.
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My roommate, also a vaper, still calls it smoking.
I constantly correct him and all I get is "I hate the word vaping".
I constantly correct him and all I get is "I hate the word vaping".
I had the same thing last week, when I said it's not smoking it's vapour the guy said well it's the same thing. So I asked him if he considers his kettle to be smoking when it is boiling.
Never mind, dear. I correct new vapers all the time, in my real life.
It takes some time to sink in. But as most 100% vapers are happy that they no longer smoke, they pick it up fast.
I think some people don't like the term vaping, because it sounds kind of trendy and some people rail against things that are trendy.
Ce qui se conçoit bien s'énonce clairement - Et les mots pour le dire arrivent aisément.
We were once smokers and we are now smoke-free. We are vapers, we vape on our vaporizers
P.S. edited with smoke-free following the post below.
We were once smokers and we are now smoke-free. We are vapers, we vape on our vaporizers
P.S. edited with smoke-free following the post below.
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Aha... reading this thread paid off for me! New response to "you're still smoking"..... Nope, I'm smoke-free. Any come back will get the same response... kinda like just rank and serial number nothing more.... no further engagement. Yup... I like that.
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