Vaping is too complicated.

[papergoblin]

I feel like people is straight calling me stupid and immature, but I think I have posted enough, even pictures, and I think it's easy to tell that I'm not clueless about the matter but I guess I'm just dumb, and no practice nor research will make me learn anything since my brain is not fully formed it seems.

Also seems that my decisions are all based on my immaturity and stupidity typical of my age. I feel like people isn't even reading the OP at this point.

I think I'm gonna keep trying by myself, all the good advice has been given already and now it's all about disagreeing with me and attacking me.

Thanks everyone.

It's not about immaturity as to why you are having problems. It's about your age range and what the majority of people in you age range are doing as vaping goes. Most in the teens to early 20's are into cloud chasing, nothing wrong with that but having big mods and clouds won't get a satisfying vape (isn't needed I should say).

The first mod you started with is for cloud chasing made easy, they advertise it that way. The builds you are doing are for cloud chasing .3 to .6 or lower, 6 months vaping and doing parallel builds. That's all cloud chasing.

Starting out you should go to a MTL setup, such as a AIO for $20. The coils in them can last a week to a month and are cheap. If you don't like those than an ego battery and a CE4 Clearo or EVOD style tank will work.

I think you're biggest problem is you don't want to learn from someone in person, as you've said online works, yet it hasn't helped you one bit. Get to a shop or find a group of local vapers and get some one on one building/wicking tips.

You came on this site hard about evil vaping and some of us get a little miffed hearing that. It took you a long time to understand the questions we were asking you and get you to answer them. I get you have watched videos and such, that's a good start but there's way more to it than that.

You need hands on learning, you need to have someone build a coil for your tank that is right and taste it. You need a baseline to understand what you are shooting for. You couldn't get an excessive amount of coils to work in the SMOK nor your rebuildable.

I can see getting a coil that is bad but more than 2 in a row means user error, so what ever research you have done isn't helping you. You need to branch out and try a different method, since posting this thread, have you gotten a coil to work right? Have you tried getting help locally? Have you bought anything different to try?

 

[Gramdogg]

I feel like people is straight calling me stupid and immature, but I think I have posted enough, even pictures, and I think it's easy to tell that I'm not clueless about the matter but I guess I'm just dumb, and no practice nor research will make me learn anything since my brain is not fully formed it seems.

Also seems that my decisions are all based on my immaturity and stupidity typical of my age. I feel like people isn't even reading the OP at this point.

I think I'm gonna keep trying by myself, all the good advice has been given already and now it's all about disagreeing with me and attacking me.

Thanks everyone.

Just the nature of the beast. Tootle puffers hate anyone that makes a cloud bigger then a cig. Alot of people know me here but I still ask the odd question once in awhile and get treated like an idiot lol. My favorite is when you ask for suggestions on 22mm RDTAs and every response is a RDA, RTA or not even 22mm. Your all good mate.

 

[Ralph_K]

It's not about immaturity as to why you are having problems. It's about your age range and what the majority of people in you age range are doing as vaping goes. Most in the teens to early 20's are into cloud chasing, nothing wrong with that but having big mods and clouds won't get a satisfying vape (isn't needed I should say).

The first mod you started with is for cloud chasing made easy, they advertise it that way. The builds you are doing are for cloud chasing .3 to .6 or lower, 6 months vaping and doing parallel builds. That's all cloud chasing.

Starting out you should go to a MTL setup, such as a AIO for $20. The coils in them can last a week to a month and are cheap. If you don't like those than an ego battery and a CE4 Clearo or EVOD style tank will work.

I think you're biggest problem is you don't want to learn from someone in person, as you've said online works, yet it hasn't helped you one bit. Get to a shop or find a group of local vapers and get some one on one building/wicking tips.

You came on this site hard about evil vaping and some of us get a little miffed hearing that. It took you a long time to understand the questions we were asking you and get you to answer them. I get you have watched videos and such, that's a good start but there's way more to it than that.

You need hands on learning, you need to have someone build a coil for your tank that is right and taste it. You need a baseline to understand what you are shooting for. You couldn't get an excessive amount of coils to work in the SMOK nor your rebuildable.

I can see getting a coil that is bad but more than 2 in a row means user error, so what ever research you have done isn't helping you. You need to branch out and try a different method, since posting this thread, have you gotten a coil to work right? Have you tried getting help locally? Have you bought anything different to try?

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In my experience smok coils aren't that good. I've had some that shorted out right away and another that had nothing but dry hits unless I did a very quick hit say .5 sec. When I first started went to a vape shop and they set me up with a smok x8 stick. What I do is DL lung then the last bit I do MTL. People say good things about Uwell Crown 3

 

[440BB]

One thing worth doing is eliminating flavorings as a cause. Vaping unflavored for a bit would rule them out and make a less irritating vape in the meantime. Good luck sorting this out!

 

[QcVaper]

It's not about immaturity as to why you are having problems. It's about your age range and what the majority of people in you age range are doing as vaping goes. Most in the teens to early 20's are into cloud chasing, nothing wrong with that but having big mods and clouds won't get a satisfying vape (isn't needed I should say).
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No idea if i fit in that group (25 almost 26) but i've never been more satisfied than when i jumped into rebuildables, cheaper and gives me a nice little hobby,yes i do bigger clouds than alot of users but that's how i like it,i'm not even a cloud chaser, i consider myself much more of a flavor chaser, and even at 6mg sometimes i can chain vape like a goshdarn train to satisfy my nic needs. You can't put everyone in the same waggon it just dosen't work, i like more vapor and i'm glad i got away from the mtl setups and drop in coils specially, a single pack of pre-rolled coils (8 in total per pack) lasts me months lol instead of buying a new pack every month and yes this is an exageration since coil life is highly dependant on a number of factors.


NB: funny thing is , i still agree with most of what you said.

 

[Letitia]

Just the nature of the beast. Tootle puffers hate anyone that makes a cloud bigger then a cig. Alot of people know me here but I still ask the odd question once in awhile and get treated like an idiot lol. My favorite is when you ask for suggestions on 22mm RDTAs and every response is a RDA, RTA or not even 22mm. Your all good mate.

Tootle puffers don't hate clouds they just don't understand the appeal.

 

[papergoblin]

Just the nature of the beast. Tootle puffers hate anyone that makes a cloud bigger then a cig. Alot of people know me here but I still ask the odd question once in awhile and get treated like an idiot lol. My favorite is when you ask for suggestions on 22mm RDTAs and every response is a RDA, RTA or not even 22mm. Your all good mate.

I get the same thing if I'm out using a genny, people are like WTF is that, lol. I like messing with people too, cutting up and joking. I don't take things too seriously, life's too short. I do get a little riled however when someone uses blanket statements and shows they really don't have a clue what they are doing, yet persist they do, lol.

In my experience smok coils aren't that good. I've had some that shorted out right away and another that had nothing but dry hits unless I did a very quick hit say .5 sec. When I first started went to a vape shop and they set me up with a smok x8 stick. What I do is DL lung then the last bit I do MTL. People say good things about Uwell Crown 3

No doubt, I had issues with their coils on the original TFV tank. I was just mainly trying to point out that, if you can't get a coil head to work right, the next solution should be to get with someone to get it right, then another style tank, not going to rebuilding.

I think this thread was started and filled will misinformation (not saying on purpose) and exaggeration (on purpose). It started out with bad mojo and still keeps that cloud around it to me. Just go through and read only the OP's posts, no others. See if the story seems not complete, maybe it's just me. I think the OP's just frustrated but pride is getting in the way. I've rarely met anyone online that hasn't exhausted local help/shops before hitting up forums, especially with irritation involving bleeding.

 

[papergoblin]

No idea if i fit in that group (25 almost 26) but i've never been more satisfied than when i jumped into rebuildables, cheaper and gives me a nice little hobby,yes i do bigger clouds than alot of users but that's how i like it,i'm not even a cloud chaser, i consider myself much more of a flavor chaser, and even at 6mg sometimes i can chain vape like a goshdarn train to satisfy my nic needs. You can't put everyone in the same waggon it just dosen't work, i like more vapor and i'm glad i got away from the mtl setups and drop in coils specially, a single pack of pre-rolled coils (8 in total per pack) lasts me months lol instead of buying a new pack every month and yes this is an exageration since coil life is highly dependant on a number of factors.


NB: funny thing is , i still agree with most of what you said.

You just proved my point,lol. You knew why you changed setups, you know what you are after, that's how to know if someone's ready to get into rebuildables. One has to start and learn what they like/want/need before just doing this that and the other, that comes when you've bought a load of junk and are bored, wanting something different but can't put your finger on it, lol.

 

[Zutankhamun]

Tootle puffers don't hate clouds they just don't understand the appeal.

I don’t quite know why I liked that. I have to explain myself.
First off, I may be called a ‘tootle ‘ but I hate that phrase. I’m a mtl’er.
I definitely got the appeal and loved vaping that way at first. Then I began to dislike using such a ridiculously big mod, lots of batteries, too much juice and hated making sure you weren’t puffing in peoples direction walking down a busy street.

I grew out of it

 

[Caesar77]

It's not about immaturity as to why you are having problems. It's about your age range and what the majority of people in you age range are doing as vaping goes. Most in the teens to early 20's are into cloud chasing, nothing wrong with that but having big mods and clouds won't get a satisfying vape (isn't needed I should say).

The first mod you started with is for cloud chasing made easy, they advertise it that way. The builds you are doing are for cloud chasing .3 to .6 or lower, 6 months vaping and doing parallel builds. That's all cloud chasing.

Starting out you should go to a MTL setup, such as a AIO for $20. The coils in them can last a week to a month and are cheap. If you don't like those than an ego battery and a CE4 Clearo or EVOD style tank will work.

I think you're biggest problem is you don't want to learn from someone in person, as you've said online works, yet it hasn't helped you one bit. Get to a shop or find a group of local vapers and get some one on one building/wicking tips.

You came on this site hard about evil vaping and some of us get a little miffed hearing that. It took you a long time to understand the questions we were asking you and get you to answer them. I get you have watched videos and such, that's a good start but there's way more to it than that.

You need hands on learning, you need to have someone build a coil for your tank that is right and taste it. You need a baseline to understand what you are shooting for. You couldn't get an excessive amount of coils to work in the SMOK nor your rebuildable.

I can see getting a coil that is bad but more than 2 in a row means user error, so what ever research you have done isn't helping you. You need to branch out and try a different method, since posting this thread, have you gotten a coil to work right? Have you tried getting help locally? Have you bought anything different to try?

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I'm not into cloud chasing,I just like the bigger vapor production and better flavor that sub ohm vaping offers you, I'm not into trying to blow bigger and bigger clouds, I'm aware that my first device, the stick v8, is a cloud chasing device and that's why I bought it.I've tried mtl devices and they don't do it for me, only cigarettes can give me mtl satisfaction, I find vaping much more enjoyable doing dtl.

I do realize that some coils burnt so fast because of me, because I chain vape, but let me tell you that it's too powerful and if you have tried it you must know the coils have problems draining the liquid, I even saw a trick that consists in poking some holes in the external cotton so the juice can flow better but it's still not enough,the device still pushes the coils to the limit everytime you hit it and it sucks for chain vaping, even if you suck on it with airflow closed so the cotton can soak and other tricks, and you don't have any option since it's unregulated.

And I don't really want to blow clouds as big as the stick v8 can give you, I just want a vapor production (edit:along good flavor) that I find satisfying, forum users here seem to think I want to blow them big clouds to show the world how cool I'm but that couldn't be more wrong, I don't even vape when I'm out, I usually vape by myself.

Also I don't see how I put vaping as evil, I just said that in my experience it kinda sucked because it's too complicated.And I don't see how I took long responding questions when I answered them all as fast as I could.

 

[Caesar77]

I apologize. Sometimes safety concerns cause, well, I apologize. I maintain that I'm worried and concerned.

Maybe this approach would be better.... What help, exactly, would be most beneficial to you? Would you like specific ideas for your build and wick, or what? Because you've been given lots of offers for help, so I'm a bit confused as to what type of help you would like?

Safety wise, my advice would be to return to your drop in tank. Perhaps you can find someone near where you live who can help you learn to build on an RTA safely? Some vape stores have employees that will do that. Perhaps that might work?

No one can magically tell you what is causing your symptoms though, even with pictures. It's not as simple as "this looks wrong" and wicking? Wicking took me a LONG time to master. So having trouble isn't unusual, but the degree of trouble you are having is concerning, and people DO want to help you, but I couldn't possibly offer a wicking/coiling suggestion based on what you've stated.

Anna

It's ok, and I don't really need more advice, a I said all has been said by now. I just want to have a good flavor and decent vapor production. Vapor production is fine, flavor in the other hand is awful.

Again I have tried a lot of things, only thing I haven't tried is boiling my cotton and preparing it since it's cotton bacon v2 and I know it's quality cotton, but I might try doing so since it's the only thing I haven't tried yet.

At this point it's either the tank wich I cleaned again by the way, or the wick/cotton, since I have tried prebuilt clapton coils too and they still taste bad.

 

[papergoblin]

I'm not into cloud chasing,I just like the bigger vapor production and better flavor that sub ohm vaping offers you, I'm not into trying to blow bigger and bigger clouds, I'm aware that my first device, the stick v8, is a cloud chasing device and that's why I bought it.I've tried mtl devices and they don't do it for me, only cigarettes can give me mtl satisfaction, I find vaping much more enjoyable doing dtl.

I do realize that some coils burnt so fast because of me, because I chain vape, but let me tell you that it's too powerful and if you have tried it you must know the coils have problems draining the liquid, I even saw a trick that consists in poking some holes in the external cotton so the juice can flow better but it's still not enough,the device still pushes the coils to the limit everytime you hit it and it sucks for chain vaping, even if you suck on it with airflow closed so the cotton can soak and other tricks, and you don't have any option since it's unregulated.

And I don't really want to blow clouds as big as the stick v8 can give you, I just want a vapor production that I find satisfying, forum users here seem to think I want to blow them big clouds to show the world how cool I'm but that couldn't be more wrong, I don't even vape when I'm out, I usually vape by myself.

Also I don't see how I put vaping as evil, I just said that in my experience it kinda sucked because it's too complicated.And I don't see how I took long responding questions when I answered them all as fast as I could.

First device a V8 not MTL.

You know it's for clouds but not cloud chasing.

Bigger vapor production is better than sub ohming provides?, you have no clue what you're talking about seriously,lol.

You haven't listened to one thing anyone on here has told you. Vapor exhaled has nothing to do with satisfaction. You say one thing then contradict yourself the next, no wonder you haven't been happy, you have absolutely no clue about vaping.

You need to GO to a local SHOP, get someone to SHOW you how things work. Get them to EXPLAIN what you need to do OR quit vaping and get patches, gum, or whatever a DOCTOR recommends.

 

[stols001]

Ok, understood. Things were "better" with your drop in tank but you want something that is cheaper, that will give you better wicking, and that will satisfy you if you are chain-vaping. I agree that some of smok's coils don't last and don't give a ton of satisfaction.

Would you consider trying a different sub0hm tank if the coils lasted longer and you could vape the way you wished? A lot of folks like the Crown 3 and to my understanding the coils get excellent life and great flavor and good clouds.

If not, I really think that your best bet would be to go to a vape store and get help/tutorials in person so that you can learn to coil and wick your tank correctly. If you want an RTA, that would be my recommendation to anyone, at any age in your situation.

Anna

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

@OP. How about this. I am kind of in the middle between mtl and subohm. I use the eGo mega v2 tanks using the CLR coils(rebuild these) on a pico. I use 50/50 3mg nic. I get plenty of vapor and satisfaction in flavor. I also use kanger subtank mini rba's. Sometimes when driving I can't see with all the vapor. So maybe rethinking your choice in gear is your best option. I have tried the larger, more watts, bigger coils and it just takes so much power and results in such poor performance that that gear sits in a drawer while I use daily the other gear I mentioned. Just think about giving it a try. You may be pleasantly surprised,

 

[rob33]

That's pretty high on the Pg. 50/50 would be the highest I'd recommend.

Problem solved try some 80vg 20pg or even lower on pg. As a general rule PG is to carry flavor and throat hit can be very irritating to the throat. Also keep ohms 1.3 or higher at a lower watt for a cool vape. Vaping is not for everyone but, I will bet its an hell of alot better than what you were doing.

 

[Zutankhamun]

Okay, I know you said you don’t want anymore advice but here’s one more.
You don’t want to spend more money but how about something that does both? Respectable amounts of dl vapour and flavour in the Kanger subtank mini. It’s not that small and it’s got 2 coils that come with and also got an rba deck you can screw in so you can have a go by changing easily, even with the tank full. So you can go back and forth till you get it right.
I think it comes with a little cotton, wire(possibly) and a little toolpiece thingy so your all good.
Just looked at the first place I found. £15 and they’re an expensive place so you might be able to get it cheaper elsewhere

Edit; just remembered it functions well before you get to your preferred wattage of 35. I used it down @ 18 but I think it performs well @ 25 watts. Starts to get too hot when you push it
It produces well at that low wattage though

 

[Caesar77]

First device a V8 not MTL.

You know it's for clouds but not cloud chasing.

Bigger vapor production is better than sub ohming provides?, you have no clue what you're talking about seriously,lol.

You haven't listened to one thing anyone on here has told you. Vapor exhaled has nothing to do with satisfaction. You say one thing then contradict yourself the next, no wonder you haven't been happy, you have absolutely no clue about vaping.

You need to GO to a local SHOP, get someone to SHOW you how things work. Get them to EXPLAIN what you need to do OR quit vaping and get patches, gum, or whatever a DOCTOR recommends.

Did you read my post at all?I said I knew the v8 was for cloud chasing and that I just enjoy sub ohming because more flavor and more vapor, but that I don't want to "chase bigger and bigger clouds"

"Vapor exhaled has nothing to do with satisfaction"Why so?I clearly enjoy more vapor and flavor than mtl and many people seem to do so.

"You are clueless" I've heard that one.

You are just another forum user that likes to go full ape on me for no reason without reading anything that I write I don't even know why am I responding to you since you don't even wanna read my posts.

 

[Caesar77]

Ok, understood. Things were "better" with your drop in tank but you want something that is cheaper, that will give you better wicking, and that will satisfy you if you are chain-vaping. I agree that some of smok's coils don't last and don't give a ton of satisfaction.

Would you consider trying a different sub0hm tank if the coils lasted longer and you could vape the way you wished? A lot of folks like the Crown 3 and to my understanding the coils get excellent life and great flavor and good clouds.

If not, I really think that your best bet would be to go to a vape store and get help/tutorials in person so that you can learn to coil and wick your tank correctly. If you want an RTA, that would be my recommendation to anyone, at any age in your situation.

Anna

They weren't really better since the stick v8 gave me a lot of problems, but yes a drop in tank may benefit me I might buy one while I learn more about building.Thanks for the recommendation.And yes if they coils lasted longer I would be happier.I'll look into that tank.

 

[khundian]

Hello Caesar77, I'm sorry to hear you're having such a bad experience with vaping. If by any chance you live close to Ghent in Belgium, I would be happy to help you with whatever.

 

[Caesar77]

Hello Caesar77, I'm sorry to hear you're having such a bad experience with vaping. If by any chance you live close to Ghent in Belgium, I would be happy to help you with whatever.

I appreciate your offer very much but unfortunately we are far from eachother.